Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
[sigh] Fine. We can change what I wrote from: "artifact = model absent the usage context" to "artifact = model in a non-modeling context" The toy train isn't a useful example for this distinction. But a wooden sphere as a model for, say, a baseball, *is* a useful example. In the "sphere

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread thompnickson2
Oh crap! I;ve done it again. Sorry N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:02

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread thompnickson2
Dave, I don’t think it’s dualism unless I assert that the representation and the thing represented are different sorts of stuff. If every representation is OF OTHER REPRESENTATIONS, then we have a representation-monism. If you taunt me by asking what the FIRST representation was OF, I

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick: Oh no, you've morphed Glen and myself into an interchangeable entity! You must be flying at high altitude! On 1/16/20, 8:59 AM, "Friam on behalf of thompnicks...@gmail.com" wrote: Marcus, I am not sure I understand what you say here. But I like the idea of

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread thompnickson2
Marcus, I am not sure I understand what you say here. But I like the idea of "listening generously" and I am trying to do it. I guess my problem in understanding is that I don't think we perceive anything other than in a context. Like the gorilla walking through the basketball game, we

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread Frank Wimberly
 --- Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 1:39 AM Prof David West wrote: > Nick, > > Not sophmoric smarminess - but a contradiction of your monism. "you are a > model" contradicts "my model of you" which asserts "representation" of >

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-16 Thread Prof David West
Nick, Not sophmoric smarminess - but a contradiction of your monism. "you are a model" contradicts "my model of you" which asserts "representation" of something — Cartesian dualism. davew On Wed, Jan 15, 2020, at 9:44 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Eric, > > I apologize forwhat may