Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread glen ep ropella
Of course we get angry when some part of our toolchain breaks! The important attribute, though, is the extent to which we can debug and rebuild it. My point is the CDC isn't a monolith. And I argue the processes upon which it's built are transparent enough that its breakage shouldn't be that har

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Carl Tollander
Ah, but have you tried kusaya? Carl On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Prof David West wrote: > The year I lived in Japan, I ate sushi so much that I lost all appetite > for it for a couple of decades. But my acceptance level has returned. It is > quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I have h

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm glad I majored in math. On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:37 PM Prof David West wrote: > The year I lived in Japan, I ate sushi so much that I lost all appetite > for it for a couple of decades. But my acceptance level has returned. It is > quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I have had Fugu an

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Prof David West
The year I lived in Japan, I ate sushi so much that I lost all appetite for it for a couple of decades. But my acceptance level has returned. It is quite tasty. I especially like raw tuna. I have had Fugu and the tingling sensation on lips and tongue is incomparable to any other dish. On two occ

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread David Eric Smith
If one had time to do a good study design (which sounds hard), it would be nice to create measures of social trust (what can you count on other people to do for you) and responsibility (what you believe you owe to others and feel compelled to provide). Then divide into the same cohorts, and fin

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread glen ep ropella
There's the key point, right? That diversity fosters openness, facilitating the entrance, maintenance, and extinction of all sorts of wild-type rationale. Writing in stone an authority figure like the CDC, or Fauci, or [who|what]ever dampens that openness ... stunts our ability to reason. I spen

[FRIAM] Ever heard of a ‘top-4’ primary? It could be heading to a state near you soon

2020-08-23 Thread glen ep ropella
Apt of no other threads 8^D: https://www.alternet.org/2020/08/ever-heard-of-a-top-4-primary-it-could-be-heading-to-a-state-near-you-soon/ -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.- . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread thompnickson2
I would sooner eat Dog. Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen From

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Gary Schiltz
I'm sure there are studies showing the dangers of exposure to second hand sushi. I know the smell lakes me want to barf. On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:10 AM glen∉ℂ wrote: > I think the standard rhetoric is that the Dems limit positive freedoms, > where the Reps limit negative freedoms. > https://pl

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Jochen Fromm
What is so bad about Sushi? It is a bit fishy and cold, but on hot summer days it can be refreshing. I am not a fan of raw fish but good Sushi is an art.-J. Original message From: Frank Wimberly Date: 8/23/20 18:52 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
As I understand it, the attack was a successful use of "active measures". The objective was to find *extant* rifts in US society and exploit them. This resulted in a sophisticated data science driven attack on platforms via technology like Facebook. There are 2 layers to it: 1) the primary obje

[FRIAM] Resources at Fast.ai

2020-08-23 Thread Tom Johnson
Perhaps of interest to some. https://www.fast.ai/?s=03 Tom - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com archives: http://fria

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Thank you. Would you please restate what 'type of exploitation' we saw in 2016? I will think about it this week and hopefully find time to address it, my Sunday is already pretty backed up. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. .

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
One is tempted to say, "Evolution at work" but I won't. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:33 AM Prof David West wrote: > How many people on this list would take an approved (assume all standard > procedures predated

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread Frank Wimberly
I have never eaten nor will I ever eat sushi. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 9:10 AM glen∉ℂ wrote: > I think the standard rhetoric is that the Dems limit positive freedoms, > where the Reps limit negative freedoms.

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
OK. I suppose we have the option of taking on a burden of going through your old posts and finding where you address the following: That a digital voting app runs the risk of exacerbating the type of exploitation we saw in 2016. I've done that and you have *not* addressed that objection, which

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Glen (and hopefully not one of your bots >8^D), The 'code' exists as the writings I have already produced. You are making claims that are not in the writing. Since it has already been written once, I don't really wish to re-write. Even this sidebar of bickering in-post is lame. I am simply not sug

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
Sorry. Where is your code for this digital voting app? I missed the link. On 8/23/20 9:10 AM, jon zingale wrote: I can see that you are in a bad mood. Again, I have addressed these issues in writing already. To take a play from your book: READ THE CODE! - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -.

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Glen, I can see that you are in a bad mood. Again, I have addressed these issues in writing already. To take a play from your book: READ THE CODE! -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zo

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
Hm. I'm not intentionally doing that. But if you're unwilling to address the concerns I'm trying to raise, then there's not much else I can do. Accusations of libel are a tad more serious than misattribution or strawman. Nice brinkmanship! >8^D On 8/23/20 8:56 AM, jon zingale wrote: It is a b

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
I would take it in a heartbeat, but not to save myself, to reduce the extent to which I infect others. I'm white, unaffiliated, suburban dwelling, 53 yrs old. On 8/23/20 8:53 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: I guess most people here in Europe would take an officially approved vaccine which has successf

Re: [FRIAM] constructor theory

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
As usual, Marcus beat us to the punch: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/BBC-News-Ant-colony-personalities-shaped-by-environment-tp7585564p7585637.html On 8/23/20 8:43 AM, Prof David West wrote: latest distraction, obsession, of my fascination with physics persona — http://constructortheory.or

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread jon zingale
Glen, It is a bit frustrating to see so many misattributions to my writing in your posts. It is ok if you don't grok what I am saying, but please do not misattribute. Many of your criticisms were already addressed in the writing. For instance, I am not suggesting a homogenized replacement of the c

Re: [FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread Jochen Fromm
In Russia you are not choosing to take a vaccine, you are chosen (if you are not poisoned or shot before). And they skip trial phases to be the first on the market, which is a bit like Russian roulette. Have you heard of Sputnik V ?I guess most people here in Europe would take an officially app

[FRIAM] constructor theory

2020-08-23 Thread Prof David West
latest distraction, obsession, of my fascination with physics persona — http://constructortheory.org/ anyone have knowledge/opinions? Is the support they receive from Templeton of any concern? davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listser

[FRIAM] vaccine

2020-08-23 Thread Prof David West
How many people on this list would take an approved (assume all standard procedures predated the approval) COVID vaccine if one were available? I'll hazard a guess that it would be close to 90%. A recent survey showed the percentages of those who would refuse a free government approved vaccine:

Re: [FRIAM] words for Nick (political-words focused)

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
I think the standard rhetoric is that the Dems limit positive freedoms, where the Reps limit negative freedoms. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/ Though I have lots of problems with this (always false) dichotomy. There are exceptions, of course. Anti-abortion Reps w

Re: [FRIAM] Curmudgeons Unite!

2020-08-23 Thread glen∉ℂ
Re mismatched expectations with voting and representation versus liberal use of metaphor: If you agree that too much focus on metaphor *is* too much focus on the tool, then you should agree that a focus on digital voting is treating the symptom, not the cause. And that implies this effort of Jo