Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

"Perhaps I should have said, early on, “Look, I’m sorry, I keep seeing you as Uncle Remus. I am sure, as I get to know you better, I will get over it. Please be patient with me, and please call me out whenever you feel confined by it. ” A Liberalism that does not free me is not worth the

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

> My solution is to elect Biden and to use Trump as an example of the > kind of person to never elect again.  But that's just me. Sounds like a partial lobotomy.   I'm game for this... but not sure it is more than "a good start", which of course is, in fact, a good start. > > --- > Frank C.

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

I am making a prediction about the unknowable, unprestateable future. Jochen will be able to visit our wonderful bookstores before the end of 2021. (It's all about testing!) On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 8:36 AM Prof David West wrote: > the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

My solution is to elect Biden and to use Trump as an example of the kind of person to never elect again. But that's just me. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 8:15 PM Steve Smith wrote: > > > Yes, you could say that

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

> Yes, you could say that government in general and especially lawmakers > are our superego.  The best common word synonym for superego is > conscience.  Since a lot of people have lacunae of their own superego > we need laws and law enforcers. So right now we are in the midst of a collective

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Yes, you could say that government in general and especially lawmakers are our superego. The best common word synonym for superego is conscience. Since a lot of people have lacunae of their own superego we need laws and law enforcers. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Frank - I see your case for the Constitution-as-superego.   I guess I was thinking more in the social-cultural sense than the political.   When we were a predominantly religious (e.g. Christian) culture, perhaps it was the various "Good Books" and the church leadership(s)... 

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

> Hi Steve, > >   > > You can’t have read Watchman “decades” ago because it only came out a > few years ago.  It puts Atticus in a whole new perspective.   > Why does that not surprise me? (that I would have made that mistake)  I checked with Mary and the answer is she did recommend it for our

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

On 9/5/20 6:41 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: > > Trump’s charm comes from the fact that he tells the truth about > his basest impulses  > > > I like your theory. Somehow I doubt it would work for everyone. Why > does it work for Trump?  > > Part of it may be that Trump goes one step beyond

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

p.s. do a Google search of "superego", Steve. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:12 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Well, you could say that the Constitution is a kind of superego. It's > interesting that Trump resents

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Well, you could say that the Constitution is a kind of superego. It's interesting that Trump resents the ways in which it constrains him. He tries to get around it with surprising success thanks to sycophants like Barr et al. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Frank - >   And that trait ingratiates with those amongst us who have base > impulses for which we fear we might be shamed. > > And that includes everyone.  But then most of us have superegos that > constrain us.  Trump less so. Ah, but HIS is a SuperDuperEgo... just ask him, he'll tell ya! I

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Hi Steve, You can't have read Watchman "decades" ago because it only came out a few years ago. It puts Atticus in a whole new perspective. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Trump’s charm comes from the fact that he tells the truth about his basest impulses I like your theory. Somehow I doubt it would work for everyone. Why does it work for Trump? Part of it may be that Trump goes one step beyond affirming his basest impulses. He assumes them and then glories in

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

And that trait ingratiates with those amongst us who have base impulses for which we fear we might be shamed. And that includes everyone. But then most of us have superegos that constrain us. Trump less so. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Nick - I think I read /Watchmen/ decades ago... it is a good addition to my reading list with Mary (she has mentioned it recently)... we read books together (how quaint).   Right now we are on Victor Klemperer's diaries from the Nazi years in Germany as a Jewish man married to an Aryan woman, and

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Again, people. Could we just forget the whole anecdote? Please? I wish we could focus not on the particulars of the anecdote, but on that fact that Trump's charm comes from the fact that he tells the truth about his basest impulses, while lying about everything else. And that trait

Re: [FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

James is the man...  I didn't want to name him speculatively on-list.   I don't know the Ohori's owner, only the original founder Susan Ohori... I guess she cashed out some time back?  It hasn't felt like her touch for some time.   James would have been avoiding Larry, not you, even though you

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Yes, of course. Sorry. Thanks for the correction, Gary. I seem to be suicidally error prone, today. Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com

[FRIAM] GULP, ONLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Oh, Geez. And then I did send it to FRIAM. This technology should not be trusted to idiots. Please, my friends, do me the honor of forgetting what I said there. Please? I have edited it below to protect the innocent. Please delete the previous version. As you are my friends.

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

It appears the title of the book is actually "Go Set a Watchman" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Set_a_Watchman). On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:27 PM wrote: > Steve, > > > > Your story, like so many of your stories, cuts to the heart. If you > haven’t already, I recommend you read *Go Call a

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Steve, Your story, like so many of your stories, cuts to the heart. If you haven't already, I recommend you read Go Call a Watchmen, the pre-written sequel to To Kill a Mockingbird, in which Scout discovers that, at least from seen from a Northern perspective, is actually a flaming racist.

[FRIAM] OFFLINE:Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Dear Steve, I would not be surprised if you did, indeed, know him. Somehow, he worked his way into being something of a water commissioner up there, mediating the most difficult issue I can imagine. as a stranger? The whole thing seemed incredible to me, but a credit, in any case, to the

Re: [FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Nick - I think I may well know the man of whom you speak... he is in my "second order circle" so I only see him while visiting certain friends or at events we all share or the occasional criss-cross in a public venue.   I will try to remember to ask him if he remembers YOU...   question is which

[FRIAM] Today's Sermon:: a minor awokening

Dear fellow congregants, One of the things we talk about is our bemusement at Trump supporters. One expression you often hear these supporters say is that they admire him because "He tells it like it is!" They can say this while acknowledging that almost everything he says is false. So, if

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

That is a cool anecdote Roger...  and I thank you for your own moving-book-sale when you left Santa Fe (10 years ago now???) and I picked up a boxfull of books I didn't need (but really appreciated anyway). Did anyone (else) visit McMurtry's "bookstore town" in Archer City TX?    I've been there

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

On 9/5/20 8:36 AM, Prof David West wrote: > the block is just the main store - the computer/science/tech is in another > building across the street. > > lots of small local bookstores. LA harder to find, but San Francisco > plentiful. > > They will still be there in 2025 when you feel safe to

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

Jochen - Independent and Used bookstores definitely took a hit, first from the Big Boxes like Hastings and Barnes and Noble and then a double-whammy from Amazon.   I don't know how many more went down because of COVID...   We have a very serious local collection of used/independent stores whose

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

you were there more recently than I, so I bow to your more current information. On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, at 9:13 AM, ⛧ glen wrote: > Hm. The tech store on Park and Burnside closed several years ago. Did > they open another one? > > We've got 3 (I think) here in Oly, one of which I've committed to

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

Unless people abandon physical books, which I doubt, there should at least be room for second hand bookstores. One that I have not seen mentioned yet is the Strand, in NYC.  It occupies a city block; they advertise "18 Miles of Books". Joe On 9/5/20 7:53 AM, Jochen Fromm wrote: Do you

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

Kindle prices aren't quite book prices yet. That would be the end of books and bookstores IMO. Browse-before-buy isn't as good. That Park and Burnside store was a blessing in the early 90s. Marcus -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of ? glen Sent: Saturday, September 5,

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

Yeah, the technical bookstore on Burnside was really great. It was where I spent my last three hours living in Portland (2007) reading Hatcher's 'Algebraic Topology'. Last I was in Oregon (2014), I was sad to see it gone, but then someone directed me that the technical books all moved to the main

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

I first visited Powell's the summer they opened in Portland. Old man Powell gave me work cleaning up another property he owned. Their current location was long notable for the regularly scheduled reek of the Blitz-Weinhard brewery located on the block to the west, but it's since been gentrified.

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

Hm. The tech store on Park and Burnside closed several years ago. Did they open another one? We've got 3 (I think) here in Oly, one of which I've committed to joining as they change into a coop. On September 5, 2020 7:36:07 AM PDT, Prof David West wrote: >the block is just the main store -

Re: [FRIAM] The last bookstore

They might. But I'm spending a good portion of my income at the local ones. If you're visiting book stores, you must visit this one. A whole city block, multiple floors: https://www.powells.com/ And stop using Amazon. 8^D On September 5, 2020 6:53:38 AM PDT, Jochen Fromm wrote: > >Do you

[FRIAM] The last bookstore

Do you think bookstores may die out? They have become rare here in Europe. In L.A. there is a nice used bookstore named "The Last Bookstore"http://lastbookstorela.comWhen Biden has won and Covid is gone next year I would like to visit California, including L.A. and San Francisco, before the