Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread thompnickson2
All== I want to call attention to Dave’s quandary at the end of his last message to me. If genes are not “for” traits but for processes, how does natural selection manage to “pick out” traits. How do you take a vastly interacting causal web and get additivity of variance out of it. It

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread thompnickson2
Thanks, Eric, for the correction. I also found this website interesting for all the places where “spandrel” get’s used in construction jargon. http://www.cmswillowbrook.com/constructorknowledge/2015/2/27/architectural-terms-spandrel-more-than-just-spandrel-glass OK, So the Spandrel is

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread jon zingale
Ha, *bringing some more reality* is what I listen for to know when I have some naysayers on the ropes. Much of the last decade of my career has been working to reconcile data whose interfaces radically vary. Claiming it to be an 11 billion dollar problem is a rhetorical move that smells of

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread Steve Smith
> Steve,  > Yes exactly! Humans were not selected "for noses." Humans were (the > argument goes) selected for shorter jaws. The "protruding" nose is > what you end up with after selection shrinks the jaw. So, if you > notice that humans have noses, and you jump straight to asking "Why > did

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread Eric Charles
Steve, Yes exactly! Humans were not selected "for noses." Humans were (the argument goes) selected for shorter jaws. The "protruding" nose is what you end up with after selection shrinks the jaw. So, if you notice that humans have noses, and you jump straight to asking "Why did protruding noses

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread Eric Charles
The spandrel is the place on the wall, whether it is decorated or not. [image: image.png] The decorations are what can mislead you to thinking the architect went out of their way to create the spandrels. But the spandrel exists as a byproduct of trying to do two other things: 1) Have a

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Not to beat a dead Spandrel, but the nose example doesn't wash with me.   In many familiar animals, the nose is perched on the end of a snout, and it was the snout that was deprecated in us to the point that the nostril-holes with various adaptive properties (downward facing to keep rain

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread Gary Schiltz
Thanks for bringing some more reality into this discussion. I’ve never been a CIO, but having been a software engineer in the real world for 25 years, it triggers something in me when someone dismissively claims that a small group of developers / hackers could turn out software for a gargantuan

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread Steve Smith
correction (arches/domes *vs spandrels*) are duals > > If we accept that contrivance or one like it, then the two types of > elements (arches/domes) are duals.  > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6

Re: [FRIAM] GOES-East CONUS - GeoColor - NOAA / NESDIS / STAR

2021-03-14 Thread Stephen Guerin
Here's the bottom-up view of the same clouds at 7:22p. Hyperlapse 32x realtime looking NW. https://photos.app.goo.gl/1vjTdjqDYCvXA34W9 The video is in a shared "Santa Fe Sky"Google Photo Album. Phone camera was clamped to roof rack of my car but the wind still blew it around. If other folks want

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread Chris Feola
“Of course they did not have access to real databases, nor did they have to solve problems of data reconciliation among those disparate databases. This kind of infrastructure, as was pointed out, would have added significant time for them to complete a 'full function' app.” This reminds me of

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread Barry MacKichan
What you describe probably could be done approximately as fast as Dave says. But we are not talking simply about a system with an elegant web interface for the public and a static database on the back end. The compexity of the back end depends a lot on the requirements. Localities have to keep

[FRIAM] GOES-East CONUS - GeoColor - NOAA / NESDIS / STAR

2021-03-14 Thread thompnickson2
https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/conus_band.php?sat=G16 =GEOCOLOR=36 This photo is so gorgeous I just want everybody to see it. On Friday the local Parish Meeting spent some time talking about how the

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
These kind of turf issues arise in other large organizations. It is not just government. On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Prof David West wrote:  At the peak of the healthcare.gov fiasco, Sixty Minutes, did a segment on a small company in San Francisco — five people — built site with all the

Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-14 Thread Prof David West
At the peak of the healthcare.gov fiasco, *Sixty Minutes,* did a segment on a small company in San Francisco — five people — built site with all the capabilities, including calculating subsidies (supposedly the most difficult feature), of the official site. It took them a weekend (supposedly) —

Re: [FRIAM] Spandrel

2021-03-14 Thread Prof David West
Let me attempt to echo what i think I understand from your example and previous discussions where I lurked: A mutation occurs in an organism resulting in an morphological change — i.e. a nose, modified jaw, and modified brain case. I assume, *first potential error*, that this is a 'singular'