Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

Definitions are all fine and good, but realizable behavior is what matters. Analog computers will have imperfect behavior, and there will be leakage between components. A large network of transistors or neurons are sufficiently similar for my purposes. The unrolling would be inside a skull

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

I don't quite grok that. A crisp definition of recursion implies no interaction with the outside world, right? If you can tolerate the ambiguity in that statement, the artifacts laying about from an unrolled recursion might be seen and used by outsiders. That's not to say a trespasser can't hav

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

I suppose pouring all of the FriAM traffic into (even my own bloviations) a chatbot might be a bit usurious (the fool's errand of a fool errant)? On 1/17/23 2:37 PM, glen wrote: You might try using the OpenAI API directly. It takes some work, but not much. https://openai.com/api/ Or you cou

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

I probably didn't pay enough attention to the thread some time ago on serialization, but to me recursion is hard to distinguish from an unrolling of recursion. From: Friam on behalf of glen Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 2:21 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject:

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

You might try using the OpenAI API directly. It takes some work, but not much. https://openai.com/api/ Or you could sign up for this: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/general-availability-of-azure-openai-service-expands-access-to-large-advanced-ai-models-with-added-enterprise-benefits/ I

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

Being a too-literal person, who never gets the joke, I have to say that these simple scalings, combinatorial or not, don't capture the interconnectionist point being made in the pain article. The absolute numbers of elements (neurons, synapses, signaling molecules, etc.) flatten it all out. But

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

On 1/17/23 1:08 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Dogs have about 500 million neurons in their cortex. Neurons have about 7,000 synaptic connections, so I think my dog is a lot smarter than a billion parameter LLM. :-) And I bet (s)he channels *at least* one FriAM member's affect pretty well also!

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

Apropos of nothing: The human heart has roughly 40,000 neurons and the human gut around 0.1 billion neurons (sensory neurons, neurotransmitters, ganglia, and motor neurons). So the human gut is about 1/5 as smart as Marcus's dog?? davew On Tue, Jan 17, 2023, at 1:08 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

[FRIAM] Dope Slap Thread

I am finding what Mail.google does to messages so confusing that I am gong to try to simplify here. EricS writes *My liking of the analogy of sample estimators and underlying values *Ii.e.values on which the estimations converge--NST*] **is that, if one felt that were a valid analogy to a speci

Re: [FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

Dogs have about 500 million neurons in their cortex. Neurons have about 7,000 synaptic connections, so I think my dog is a lot smarter than a billion parameter LLM. :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 17, 2023, at 11:35 AM, glen wrote: > >  > 1) "I asked Chat GPT to write a song in the style

[FRIAM] NickC channels DaveW

1) "I asked Chat GPT to write a song in the style of Nick Cave and this is what it produced. What do you think?" https://www.theredhandfiles.com/chat-gpt-what-do-you-think/ 2) "Is it pain if it does not hurt? On the unlikelihood of insect pain" https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-e

Re: [FRIAM] Morning Coffee thought: Good time for global warming bingo

Glen Sed: Not weather, per se. Via HackerNews: The Ecological Catastrophe You’ve Never Heard Of https://nautil.us/the-ecological-catastrophe-youve-never-heard-of-257291/ Shaiza! Among this collection (not to undervalue the headlining story) is the "Great Forgetting"

Re: [FRIAM] Morning Coffee thought: Good time for global warming bingo

Good idea. I like Ecological catastrophe better. It is more broad, and includes some of the big ones like anthropogenic extinction. I have a game at my house that you could borrow. It is called CIA. The point of the game is to respond to major crises around the globe, many of which are political

Re: [FRIAM] Dope slaps, anyone? Text displaying correctly?

Glen wrote: I *think* that works. Ordinarily, I react badly to hyper-formality. But one reason to formalize is so that we can be agnostic about the origins of some thing, abstracting it from the world. Whether an ultra-abstracter like Peirce would support the historical/scholarly logging of wh

Re: [FRIAM] Morning Coffee thought: Good time for global warming bingo

Good idea. I like Ecological catastrophe better. It is more broad, and includes some of the big ones like anthropogenic extinction. I have a game at my house that you could borrow. It is called CIA. The point of the game is to respond to major crises around the globe, many of which are political or

Re: [FRIAM] Dope slaps, anyone? Text displaying correctly?

DaveW wrote: I do not know and have not read Feferman, so this may be totally off base, but ... glen stated: /Worded one way: Schema are the stable patterns that emerge from the particulars. And the variation of the particulars is circumscribed (bounded, defined) by the schema. / This is a d

Re: [FRIAM] unrest in SoAm & Global ideological/sociopolitical/economic alignment...

The general sentiment of the replies to this thread seems to be: "there is no reason to characterize anything like a 'golden age of Latin America' beyond perhaps the post WWII boom in economies participating in the rebuilding of Europe with a natural advantage to those who did not participate i

Re: [FRIAM] Morning Coffee thought: Good time for global warming bingo

Not weather, per se. Via HackerNews: The Ecological Catastrophe You’ve Never Heard Of https://nautil.us/the-ecological-catastrophe-youve-never-heard-of-257291/ On 1/17/23 07:38, Gillian Densmore wrote: So far: hurricanes, Extreme weather Tornadoes, Monsoons- All in January. LoL anything else to

[FRIAM] Morning Coffee thought: Good time for global warming bingo

So far: hurricanes, Extreme weather Tornadoes, Monsoons- All in January. LoL anything else to add to the global warming weather list? Sidenote: just one more reason I avoid driving. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a