Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT and William James

2023-03-19 Thread Eric Charles
I know this conversation has drifted quite a bit but I wanted to point out that if I was a weary lecturer teaching 6 classes a semester, who was thrilled to get anything with complete sentences and a vague semblance of thought, the chat bot gets an A on its responses. If it is in one of the

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

2023-02-24 Thread Eric Charles
ough social media channels. > Alternatively, you could try reaching out to the Santa Fe Institute, which > has connections with many researchers and organizations in the Santa Fe > area. > > > > Me: Nicholas Thompson, Eric Charles, Glen Ropella and Frank Wimberly are > part of t

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [EXT] News Alert: Most young men are single. Most young women are not.

2023-02-23 Thread Eric Charles
If you think the only option a college- educated 23 year old woman has is to be attached to a similarly-aged man... you would not do well in the current dating pool :- ) While it *might* be a truth, universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a fortune, must be in want of a

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-22 Thread Eric Charles
I would have assumed it was an abstraction that could be found in many systems, with no explicit limitations regarding what that system is made of, but lots of limitations regarding where we happen to find it in the world he happen to inhabit... or something like that... recognizing that

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-20 Thread Eric Charles
" "Experience Monism" is itself a much more primitive position, so primitive that my former student, now mentor, Eric Charles doubts that it is worth asserting. " :- P What I doubt is that it is relevant to most activities, including most discussions. It is a perfectly go

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-18 Thread Eric Charles
hole life. Maybe some of you consistently live in a body free > experience? I've only experienced that a few times, e.g. running in a > fasted state. And I later suffered for that indulgent delusion. > > No. Neither the dirt nor I do "mental stuff". So you need a more concrete

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-16 Thread Eric Charles
30-06. I haven't done that > for 60+ years but it's intended as a* reductio ad absurdum* argument. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 7:05 PM Eric Charles > w

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

2023-02-16 Thread Eric Charles
raints to which it is ill suited. True, the more my > associations with “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the > more true the horse seems. Following Peirce, I would say that where our > nodes increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have > e

Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Eric Charles
Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > Today is Wednesday, isn't it? > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Fe

[FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Eric Charles
Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks like the meeting hasn't started. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] experience monism

2023-02-09 Thread Eric Charles
While Dear Professor Thomspon has, over the years, become good at understand the experience monist position, I feel he has yet to become great at it, and so I feel the urge to put on my William James Hat, and give more forceful answers to some of the queries the Ever-Enthusiastic Professor West

Re: [FRIAM] Sorting Algorithm? AI? Identifying "types" within data

2023-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
search and methods on how to classify such > things. Which one will actually work with your data is a question only > those looking at the data can answer. > > You could anonymize that data and post it here (or wherever) and hold a > contest to see who gets the best classifier. Offer a $100

Re: [FRIAM] Sorting Algorithm? AI? Identifying "types" within data

2023-01-11 Thread Eric Charles
; # Load the data into a NumPy array > > data = np.loadtxt('career_data.txt') > > # Create the k-means model > > model = KMeans(n_clusters=4) > > # Fit the model to the data > > model.fit(data) > > # Predict t

Re: [FRIAM] Sorting Algorithm? AI? Identifying "types" within data

2023-01-09 Thread Eric Charles
("path/to/your/data.csv") > # Specify which columns are categorical > df[, "input_variable"] <- as.factor(df[, "input_variable"]) > # Train a model using the categorical input_variable column > model <- h2o.randomForest(x = "input_variable", y = "ou

Re: [FRIAM] Sorting Algorithm? AI? Identifying "types" within data

2023-01-07 Thread Eric Charles
e data that can be used as input to the k-means > model, you will need to preprocess the data and select relevant features. > This will likely involve some feature engineering, which will depend on the > specific characteristics of the data and the goals of your analysis. > I hope

[FRIAM] Sorting Algorithm? AI? Identifying "types" within data

2023-01-06 Thread Eric Charles
Greetings all, I'm hoping someone here could help out. Let's imagine I had some data where each row was a person's career. We could list major events every year. For example: 2004 they were highered, 2007 they get a promotion, 2010 they leave for a different company, 2012 they come back at a

[FRIAM] THURAM virtual meeting

2023-01-05 Thread Eric Charles
So, what's the status on the Thursday meetings? Are they happening and ending quickly? Have they petered out? Best, Eric > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p

Re: [FRIAM] Adversarial Go trick defeats KataGo

2022-11-15 Thread Eric Charles
"the adversarial policy works by first staking claim to a small corner of the board. He provided a link to an example in which the adversary, controlling the black stones, plays largely in the top-right of the board. The adversary allows

[FRIAM] Clouds as objects and duals

2022-11-03 Thread Eric Charles
Amazing video of a "roll cloud" that seems to neatly demonstrate many of the things we discuss fairly often. It is extremely object-like. "It" seems to move around despite continuously forming and reforming itself at the boarder, while *seeming* not to "mix" with the "layers" around it. And, of

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's monism kick

2022-09-30 Thread Eric Charles
ing atoms. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022, 3:21 PM Eric Charles > wrote: > >> Two preliminaries: >> 1) For what it's worth, I am trying to back Nick into

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's monism kick

2022-09-28 Thread Eric Charles
mn thing. I am torn between an impulse > to capitalize on Mike’s participation and the fact that I have much else on > my plate right now. > > > > Are we perhaps writing something here? If so, I will try to do my best > to put aside everything else and pitch in. > > >

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's monism kick

2022-09-24 Thread Eric Charles
el of discourse] exactly for the reasons that Nick > specifies, because we know that if you continue doing certain things > (praxis) then certain events will result, and we can specify both the > *doing* and the *results* at the highest level of clarity and > distinctness. Any problem with that?” > &g

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's monism kick

2022-09-20 Thread Eric Charles
es the theoretical level, at other times the praxis-ism level). > > But they’re both saying the same thing. > > > > Is that another way of saying what you were saying, Nick? > > > > > > *From:* thompnicks...@gmail.com > *Sent:* Monday, September 19,

Re: [FRIAM] thanks for nothing biden

2022-07-10 Thread Eric Charles
Also, that article and those senators suck... a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal issues involved. Marijuana can only be "decriminalized" by congress, and until that happens, HHS, DEA, and similar agencies will reasonably assume it is their federal mandate to respond in the way that they

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce, Buddhism, Monism, Behaviorism, oh my!

2022-06-02 Thread Eric Charles
We can define it in many ways, but it is still worth considering that the more interesting question might be how the word functions, in practice. What is the role that confirmation-by-others plays in what what you, or I, or someone else ascribes reality to? How sensitive is that ascription to

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce, Buddhism, Monism, Behaviorism, oh my!

2022-06-01 Thread Eric Charles
So, like, exactly what you just said. That is a serious empirical question. Let's say that you believe something to be real, or not-real. Are there * *any** subsequent interactions in the world that would lead you to re-evaluate that belief? If we could, ever, get at **all** the subsequent

Re: [FRIAM] Web 3 is going great!

2022-06-01 Thread Eric Charles
self to make a full-throated defense of slippery > sloped conclusions like bestiality or "radical democracy". > > > On 5/31/22 21:29, Eric Charles wrote: > > Alternate take: Web3 is doing just fine. > > > > Identity politics is bad in all contexts, includin

Re: [FRIAM] Web 3 is going great!

2022-05-31 Thread Eric Charles
Alternate take: Web3 is doing just fine. Identity politics is bad in all contexts, including when it's used to get people to buy things they otherwise wouldn't buy (which is the main focus of the Molly White article). Also, Pyramid schemes are bad anywhere you find them, not just on the web, and

Re: [FRIAM] Another reason the future is nothing like the past...

2022-05-30 Thread Eric Charles
Finally got a chance to watch this with the family, very well done! On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 6:59 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiadG3ywJIs_channel=Tai-DanaeBradley > > What a great way to introduce readers to a phd thesis. > > >

Re: [FRIAM] quotes and questions

2022-05-22 Thread Eric Charles
[image: image.png] On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 11:55 AM glen wrote: > I've always wondered why we obsessively dichotomize. I've tried to express > my confusion in the context of the law of noncontradiction and excluded > middle since my 1st (authentic) analysis course in college. I'd caught a >

Re: [FRIAM] THUAM is virtual. FRIAM will be in person.

2022-04-13 Thread Eric Charles
Regardless of my age, I am looking forward to the first THUAM meeting. On Tue, Apr 12, 2022, 12:38 PM John Dobson wrote: > You're not the group's only octogenarian. I*m 81 and counting. > > John D > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Nicholas Thompson > wrote: > >> >> Has anybody questioned

Re: [FRIAM] Ordinary logic

2022-04-01 Thread Eric Charles
I mean presumably AFTER reading the second option, the participants understood the first option to be "a bank teller who is not an activist". The most notable thing about the study is how shitty psychological research is in general. It should be impossible to publish those results without

Re: [FRIAM] the hard problem

2022-03-31 Thread Eric Charles
Excellent, and accurate! -- On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 7:05 AM ⛧ glen wrote: > > -- > glen ⛧ > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe

Re: [FRIAM] To repeat is rational, but to wander is transcendent

2022-03-29 Thread Eric Charles
That is a bizarre distinction, that can only be maintained within some sort of odd, contextless discussion. If you tell me the number of atoms of a particular substance that you have smushed within a given space, we can, with reasonable accuracy, tell you the density, and hence the "state of

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Eric Charles
of comparing PM's advocacy/lobbying and its > participants' actions. Perhaps others have? > > On 3/7/22 09:51, Eric Charles wrote: > > Pick a cause if you want, or just send your money to the government if > the > > point is that you think the government should have it. ¯\_ (ツ

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Eric Charles
e cost around, > even over thousands of millionaires. > > On Mar 7, 2022, at 6:04 AM, Eric Charles > wrote: > >  > Marcus, > Let's say you have a neighbor who's always talking about wanting to > support the girl scouts, and who even goes so far as to set up a web page >

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-07 Thread Eric Charles
cated government > regulation. Commonality being that a taxation or regulation impacts them > and their competitors in the same way, so their effective power and > influence won’t be negatively impacted. “Don’t ask me to be a chump.” > > On Mar 6, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Eric Charles >

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-06 Thread Eric Charles
linda Gates said that if you're a billionaire you can donate half of > your assets without any impact on your lifestyle. But that's a different > question. > > Frank > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > San

Re: [FRIAM] academic freedom

2022-03-06 Thread Eric Charles
"why is it a topic people want to talk about, and why do they have strong feelings and opinions?" I have a two part answer. First for "normal people" and then for myself. Well I assume a big part of the answer for normal peolpe... which is usually neglected... is how much of society is still

Re: [FRIAM] Patriotic Millionaires

2022-03-06 Thread Eric Charles
While some of the goals of groups like "Patriotic Millionaires" are admirable, I can never get past the blatant hypocrisy of it all. Maybe "hypocrisy" isn't exactly the right term. You could also see the part that bugs me as a bizarre worship of the benefits of authority over individual choice.

Re: [FRIAM] Training your value network

2022-02-01 Thread Eric Charles
Given the history of Kyu and Don rankings, the phrase "Amatuer 5th Don" is highly amusing. Very cool video. It is hard for me to imagine a game of chess in which players resign with so many moves left. Admittedly, I've only played very amatuer chess, but hoping-your-opponent-screw-up would seemed

Re: [FRIAM] Communication guides for the elderly

2022-01-22 Thread Eric Charles
And, of course, that brilliant routine about "shit" from a few years ago: the word shit - YouTube On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 2:07 PM Stephen Guerin wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 11:17 AM Stephen Guerin < > stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote: > >>

Re: [FRIAM] AI "conquered" poker

2022-01-21 Thread Eric Charles
around in a circle. Especially since they have to limit > the car designs. Now this I would watch: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU > > -- > *From:* Friam on behalf of Eric Charles < > eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> > *Sent:*

[FRIAM] AI "conquered" poker

2022-01-21 Thread Eric Charles
A decent NY Times article on AI in the Poker space. It wasn't paywalled for me. How AI Conquered Poker (www-nytimes-com.translate.goog) .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - ..

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-14 Thread Eric Charles
; n > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Thursday, January 13, 2022 7:02 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Gr

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-13 Thread Eric Charles
t;> >> >> >> Perhaps bonobo sexuality is the primitive state. >> >> >> >> “Bub” >> >> >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
me molds. > > I wasn’t sure that erics #3 isn’t so much an alternative as the cultural > level description of the consequences of the others. > > > > N > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:*

Re: [FRIAM] gene complex for homosexuality

2022-01-12 Thread Eric Charles
Re potential evolutionary explanations for homosexuality: They really don't have to be very convoluted at all. I prepared a worksheet for a class 15 or so years ago, after a bunch of students starting trying use homosexuality as proof that evolution couldn't explain (any) behavior. I'd rather

Re: [FRIAM] more modal realism

2021-12-29 Thread Eric Charles
abilistic but ordering in space NOT be? > > Identifying that conflict in my own thinking helps. Thanks. > > On 12/29/21 11:44, Eric Charles wrote: > > This always struck me as such a weird discussion. I've had people try to > drag me into it a few times. > > > > I

Re: [FRIAM] more modal realism

2021-12-29 Thread Eric Charles
This always struck me as such a weird discussion. I've had people try to drag me into it a few times. If there was ever the slightest change that something could come from nothing, and nothing was around for long enough, eventually something would come from it. But, I think the better point is

Re: [FRIAM] bad covid story

2021-12-27 Thread Eric Charles
ry guns? > > Pffft. As I said, you're being ridiculously idealistic. It's fine to > engage in wishful thinking and dream of unicorns. But don't use that as an > excuse for idiots who cause more problems than they solve. Moreover, don't > use your magical thinking to apply a guilt trip t

Re: [FRIAM] bad covid story

2021-12-27 Thread Eric Charles
that nurses will administer. Really? > Sheesh.) If you cannot get us, practically, from where we are now to that > less cruel place, then you're just blowing idealist smoke. > > > On 12/27/21 09:18, Eric Charles wrote: > > Even if, by the time the story starts, he was going t

Re: [FRIAM] bad covid story

2021-12-27 Thread Eric Charles
nce machine in your head in spite of the people dying in > the hallways. But normal people aren't that psychopathic. Cheers to you. > > But, yeah, it's fine. Nothing to worry about, here. Blame the doctor. > Blame the hospital. Blame Fauci. Blame the victims. It's standard practice, > I guess. &g

Re: [FRIAM] bad covid story

2021-12-27 Thread Eric Charles
It's weird how many ways this can be dystopian all at the same time. Under the assumption, that it is obvious what Nick replied "Yuck!" at, let me add: - It is pretty easy to explain to people that ICU's require masks regardless of Covid, that a cold could kill some other ICU patient who is

Re: [FRIAM] Dear Long Suffering Colleagues

2021-12-26 Thread Eric Charles
As repeatedly hammered in the excellent book "Beyond Versus", Sober is conflating two things: 1) A does not cause C except through B. (A-> B -> C with no other arrows) 2) In this data set, knowledge of B lets us predict C exactly as well as we can predict it with combined knowledge of B &

[FRIAM] Simplifying networks and matrixes

2021-12-11 Thread Eric Charles
I obviously can't deep dive into this, but it seems like the type of thing that gets people at FRIAM interested 62 year old problem solved... https://a//www.dailyo.in/technology/indian-mathematician-cracks-1959-problem-and-ramanujan-graphs/story/1/34929.html *THE 1959 KADISON-SINGER

Re: [FRIAM] Screening off

2021-12-05 Thread Eric Charles
If 1 co-occurs with 2 50% of the time, and 2 co-occurs with 3 50% of the time, and that 1 never occurs with 3 except when 2 has occurred, then: * Given 1 happens, then you would guess that 3 will happen 25% of the time. * But if you knew whether or not 1 had caused 2 in a particular instance, you

Re: [FRIAM] A thread for why did we first eat or drink that?

2021-12-03 Thread Eric Charles
In my imagination... Step 1: Some random ancient male, "Ow! This Horrible!" Step 2: Later, that random dude and a bunch of other dudes, "Ogg, you try this, so good, yummy yum!" 2 minutes later, the entire group as Ogg cries in a corner, "Ahahahahahaha! We get Zogg next! Hey Zogg, you try this, so

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

2021-12-02 Thread Eric Charles
lds being distributed on a modal > dimension rather than isolated space-time structures (yet) more > compelling/useful? > > And what would Candide <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildungsroman> have > to say about this? > > > > On 12/1/21 6:35 PM, Eric Charles

Re: [FRIAM] The epiphenomenality relation

2021-12-01 Thread Eric Charles
Ah I've been looking for something in this to latch onto! Glen -> "The word "epiphenomenon" is loaded with expectation/intention. It works quite well in artificial systems where we can simply assume it was designed for a purpose. But in "natural" systems (like the hyena case), if we use that

Re: [FRIAM] WAS: P Zombie Couches

2021-11-21 Thread Eric Charles
Oh, I like the potential connection with Cantor. I hadn't thought of it that way before! I think the interesting distinction there is that Cantor offered a proof that there was always at least one more number than could be counted. Mathematicians went nuts over it (I knew it was bad, but not

Re: [FRIAM] Has anybody been lookiung at covid numbers

2021-11-20 Thread Eric Charles
n, Nov 21, 2021 at 1:10 AM wrote: > Hmmm! https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html > > > > Are we looking at the same data? > > > > N > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/ntho

Re: [FRIAM] Has anybody been lookiung at covid numbers

2021-11-20 Thread Eric Charles
I haven't looked up Santa Fe's numbers specifically... but if it is anything like national numbers, the difference is that last year we were in the early stages of a massive uptick, and this year we are in the middle of a rapid fall off (with the recent cold snaps having no noticeable effect). If

Re: [FRIAM] WAS: P Zombie Couches

2021-11-20 Thread Eric Charles
I would say that Peirce is concerned with determining what is true in this actual world. That water decomposes into hydrogen and oxygen in a certain ratio under certain experimental conditions, is the type of thing we will (presumably) continue to agree about until the end times, i.e., it is

[FRIAM] P Zombie Couches

2021-11-15 Thread Eric Charles
Inspired by conversation in FRIAM a few weeks ago, I finally finished my overdue blog post on the mystery of Philosophical Zombie Couches. Fixing Psychology: Deep thoughts: P Zombie Couches I wrote several years

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

2021-11-08 Thread Eric Charles
each >> "zoom" level). >> >> Regarding poker.. I played some low-stakes in college and saw there were >> two things to take in: the main technical skill was to simply play less >> poorly than the other players at the table and that was entirely >> oversha

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

2021-11-08 Thread Eric Charles
. a LOT > if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood! I still feel that > *technically* playing well really means just playing less badly. > Blackjack being even more obviously so? > > > Yikes. > > > > On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > My inclina

Re: [FRIAM] RADICAL embodied cognitive science

2021-11-08 Thread Eric Charles
Nick, Have you ever seen 4 people playing a game of bridge? I saw that once, snapped my fingers to freeze time, and moved them each to be in rooms identical to the one they started in, but each in a different state. Weirdly enough, the game did not continue. It turns out that while the game of

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

2021-11-08 Thread Eric Charles
epleting your own stake before you >> catch a "lucky streak" going your way was also a good understanding. I >> played with my "boss" and a number of peers at the time and realized that >> it was more about jockeying for position at work and drinking beer than i

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

2021-11-07 Thread Eric Charles
: > > My inclination would be to invest in standoff biometrics (e.g. Eulerian > Video Amplification) and then find the best poker playing code. It ought > to be possible to automate and perhaps get rich in the process. > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Sunday, Novemb

Re: [FRIAM] best microphone?

2021-11-07 Thread Eric Charles
I got a Yeti Pro last summer and have been very happy with it. It comes with software that will gate and suppress, as well as several other features. If you're doing high end recording, it might not work, but it's been just fine reducing normal home sounds from the background for my purposes.

Re: [FRIAM] lurking

2021-11-07 Thread Eric Charles
I DID read all the thread so far... but I'm curious how we got to one of the starting points: "as cringy as it may be for some dork to be proud of their Poker prowess" I am somewhat satisfied with my Poker mediocrity, certainly not proud of it... but if I met someone who was ACTUALLY startlingly

Re: [FRIAM] Revising the American Revolution

2021-10-23 Thread Eric Charles
Wil Wheaton - best known for playing Wesley Crusher on Star Trek, and related appearances on Big Bang Theory - turns out to be a really cool guy, who went through some traumatic stuff during his childhood celebrity days. He gave a relevant answer to a fan question on this topic: Q: I have more of

[FRIAM] Why you studying with them?

2021-09-22 Thread Eric Charles
Seems relevant to some of our discussions of moral issues. .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] That was fun!

2021-09-18 Thread Eric Charles
Those are very useful. You should have one. On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 3:01 PM wrote: > I can buy this car travel adapter for 16 bucks and it will come tomorrow. > Shall I bite? > > > > >

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-16 Thread Eric Charles
"Re: your claim that monism unifies epistemology and ontology" I wouldn't phrase it that way. I would say that there is no meaningful distinction between epistemology, ontology, and metaphysics, and that if they appear to be different that is a sign of confusion. You can approach the same subject

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Eric Charles
essing the bar until they starved to death. The > evolutionary meaning of pleasure is what it leads you to do. Everything > else is just spandrel. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nth

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Eric Charles
Nick man sometimes you are so old and Puritanical-New-England-ey it is hilarious. "Hey everyone! Let's imagine that there wasn't a $50 *billion* dollar industry producing sex toy... ok... if that didn't exist, how would we invent one?" Like should I send you links of people in public

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-14 Thread Eric Charles
That is a really good article. Oddly well balanced, veering at times one direction or another, then correcting. Coulda been tightened up a bit... but if that's my only criticism, that's pretty high praise! On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:33 AM ⛧ glen wrote: > The New Puritans > >

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

2021-09-13 Thread Eric Charles
Typically a "shadow docket" denial usually only has a paragraph or two explaining why the case will not be heard. I'm not sure I've even seen one with a full majority opinion. It is not unusual to have a short dessent, but 4 dessents seems highly unusual. Of course, I'm an amature at this, so

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

2021-09-13 Thread Eric Charles
"Originalism", in this context, is a label for a particular tradition of textual interpretation, when faced with current legal challenges. Haggling over the exact label that would be appropriate isn't as useful as it seems. The tradition in question strives to determine the intent of the laws at

Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit

2021-09-13 Thread Eric Charles
If one were being generous with her (not sure why we would, but "if"), then she is correct, in so much as modern "conservative" politics is only loosely related to the tradition of "originalist" jurisprudence. Modern "conservative" politics wants judges that agree with their agenda, not judges

Re: [FRIAM] Can empirical discoveries be mathematical?

2021-09-06 Thread Eric Charles
As I said a few days ago: I think traditionally, "mathematical" would have been synonymous with "rigorous deduction from a minimal number of axioms", but I doubt that approach is clear cut anymore. I am pretty confident that modern mathematics is WAY more open-field than that. The Stanford

Re: [FRIAM] Can empirical discoveries be mathematical?

2021-09-03 Thread Eric Charles
Why are we parsing discoveries into those two types? I think traditionally, "mathematical" would have been synonymous with "rigorous deduction groin a minimal number of axioms", but I doubt that approach is clear cut anymore. Given that you claim to have sussed out your insight via systematic

Re: [FRIAM] Can empirical discoveries be mathematical?

2021-09-03 Thread Eric Charles
I mean... I feel like "discovery" if the first challenge for your classification system to justify... ;- ) On Fri, Sep 3, 2021, 11:24 AM wrote: > Colleagues, > > > > Years ago, my daughter, who knows I hate to shop, bought me a bunch of > plain T-shirts. The label’s on the shirts were printed,

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-09-02 Thread Eric Charles
navigate to hot springs. Big > deal. Get over it. > > > On 9/2/21 9:45 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > > I'm interested in what's behind that "obsolete" and "left behind" talk. > Usually I see that kind of language in a Progressive context, where it is > us

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-09-02 Thread Eric Charles
. > > > On 9/2/21 7:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > The signal to the welfare rancher is “Find a new line of work and quit > your whining.” > > > >> On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Eric Charles < > eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> &

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-09-02 Thread Eric Charles
"The fact that you agree with the policies and actions does not mitigate the harm caused." This seems to be a recurring theme in conversations I am having recently, in several venues. I make a factual claim about damages caused by a policy/action/decision. Someone objects to the factual claim

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

2021-08-30 Thread Eric Charles
t; >> >> Nick Thompson >> >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles >> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2021 10:06 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-29 Thread Eric Charles
d in which I stand talking > non-sense to a bunch of students for a pretty good salary while others of > my generation to get shot at in Vietnam for peanuts? Ditto you and Iraq. > > > > Nick > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordp

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-28 Thread Eric Charles
. I suggest that a new perspective for someone like Eric might be > looking around at his extraordinarily privileged life (his life defies the > human condition) and finding some way to express gratitude and remorse deep > within. > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 8:05 AM Eric Charles < &g

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-28 Thread Eric Charles
The question of mechanism is not an easy one. There have been several attempts to figure out how to speak of it, by those who think mostly along the same lines as Nick and I do. Gilbert Ryle famously talked about "dispositions" in this context. Nick wants to go with pure "up reduction". My

Re: [FRIAM] Epic

2021-08-28 Thread Eric Charles
I love this guy! He had a couple good covers with TV preachers, but I think I really started to appreciate him with this bid from up in Canada, earlier this year, when stores were just starting to do the open-close dance. And the reactions by those standing around watching are awesome.

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-28 Thread Eric Charles
" All persons would be created equally .. in a perfect world." Hard disagree. Perhaps in a perfect we would reduce the extreme inequities a bit, but it would be a much less perfect world if we created actual full equality. This is part of my long-standing disagreement with Nick's attempts to

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-27 Thread Eric Charles
Seconding what I take to be Frank's sentiment, I would be "satisfied" with MUCH less than I have now. I'm not sure how that connects to the larger thread though. I feel bad for people who have been taught to be robustly unsatisfied with life. On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 3:46 PM Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

2021-08-27 Thread Eric Charles
All are created equal, in terms of having certain inalienable rights. Beyond that, I'm not sure anything is claimed in the document mentioned. They certainly didn't think all men were equally tall, or equally robust, or equally prepared for leisurely pursuits or hard labor. They didn't think men

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

2021-08-24 Thread Eric Charles
So This is JUST a question of whether we are having a casual conversation or a technical one, right? Certainly, in a casual, English-language conversation talk of "having" emotions is well understood, and just fine, for example "Nick is *having *a fit, just let him be." (I can't speak for

Re: [FRIAM] of straw and steel

2021-07-05 Thread Eric Charles
> > https://www.amazon.com/Stabilizing-Unstable-Economy-Hyman-Minsky/dp/0071592997 > But the threat of it somehow should be used, while the problem is > building, to keep the banks doing due diligence, and to stop the schools > from hiking tuition and spending to profit on the margin,

Re: [FRIAM] for the optimists

2021-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
I can't possibly weigh in on this issue re nano science. That said, it's definitely a thing in psychology. (Cliques monopolizing grant funding, centralized federal funding coming under control of the politically savvy members of the field, etc.) On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, 12:44 PM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] The Dream of Florida

2021-07-04 Thread Eric Charles
How long do you have? If a longer amount if time, California, absolutely. Drive the beautiful coastal highway from San Diego to the giant red woods (or at least San Francisco). If it is a short trip, pick a warm beach in Florida. Miami or Key West or something like that. It will be a Big

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