Re: programming languages - antipathy to C++
Few questions seem to drive passions more than language choice - In the
good old days the Smalltalk vs. C++ conflicts actually became physical
and the very real emotional rage that some people exhibited when their
language was dis'ed was truly
On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:24:49 -0700, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net
said:
In light of some of our earlier conversations, this looks like a good
talk. I won't be able to make it (plumbing!) but if someone does,
could you let us know how it went?
-- Owen
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:24:49 -0700, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net
said:
In light of some of our earlier conversations, this looks like a good
talk. I won't be able to make it (plumbing!) but if someone does,
could you let us know how it went?
-- Owen
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if at the complex - I will have a tray of home made cinnamon rolls with
me
davew
On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 14:09:58 -0700, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net
said:
How about at the complex?
-- Owen
On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:
We might be able to get into St.
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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 17:03:54 -0700, Owen Densmore
Came across this when looking at Peter Naur's work on programming -
thought it might be interesting to some involved in the mathematics
issues of debate recently - especially the ones dealing with mathematics
privileged status.
... ignorance towards any form of knowledge other than the one
The very first paper I published - too many years ago - in AI Magazine,
then the flagship of the AI publication world - was a two part article,
first part critiquing the prevailing computational falsework (a
framework erected around a bridge to support it while concrete is being
poured), the
A computer program, currently, is an attempt to mathematize; and the
goal of traditional computer science is to refine the process of
creating a computer program to the purely formal / mathematical. It is
still an attempt, because a huge gulf remains between what I want and
can say about what I
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Prof David West wrote:
Mathematicians have asserted both positions - some believing that math
is a process of discovery of the intrinsic nature of the universe (or
the mind of God) while others believe it is a process of invention and
isomorphism between the invention and the universe
But to make it into science, which means that you can make predictive
models certainly means mathematizing the theory.
As a human being, and as an anthropologist, I can make predictions and
create predictive models based on a largely non-conscious understanding
of culture. Such
Mathematicians have asserted both positions - some believing that math
is a process of discovery of the intrinsic nature of the universe (or
the mind of God) while others believe it is a process of invention and
isomorphism between the invention and the universe is serendipitous.
davew
On Fri,
We have also talked about the lack of rigorous mathematical
representation of complexity and that being a barrier to progress
in the science.
the idea of magic raised your hackles - the above sentence raises mine.
implicit in the sentence is some variation of mathematics is a better
Mark,
I followed the link and accepted the invitation - it is now pending your
approval
dave west [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dave
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:05:20 -0600, M Suazo [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Greetings,
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:35:21 -0600, Don Begley
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That leads to my theory on how various religious traditions came into
being. Once humans reached a level of caloric social security that
allowed some citizens to live past their sexually and huntingly (sic)
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:24:18 -0700, glen e. p. ropella
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Would you mind citing an example of a culture that engaged in
necro-cannabalism that acknowledges lineage?
I was thinking of the Yanomami when I wrote this paragraph. I would
have to return to grad school
Major distraction prevented replying sooner.
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:22:08 -0700, glen e. p. ropella
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I pretty much agree with your comments about cultural universals, at
least in so far as the term is intended to be used scientifically.
Putting on my Wittgenstein
Sensibility is intended to be a very general term; basically a
sensitivity to a sensory stimulus accompanied by a change of state
(positive or negative, but usually negative) in the perceiver of that
stimulus. Examples would include: hearing a word or phrase; being
hugged or touched; viewing a
suppose you are trying to grow a diverse community.
you want a shared culture for that community.
you want to respect existing sensibilities that subgroups (and
individuals) bring to the new community.
in many cases, gender and youth for example, a significant portion of
those sensibilities
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Late eighties - lowly grad student taking a development course as part
of his anthropology course. Term paper concerned the feasibility of
starting a 12volt appliance manufacturing business in Africa with the
initial market being the RV crowd in the U.S. Within a relatively short
time the
it is - David's proposal is derives from and extends the proposal that
led to state funding of the supercomputer.
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:35:53 -0600, Jack Stafurik
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NM will have a supercomputer that will be free for in-state residents and
businesses. The link below has
Depends on what you mean by critique. Technical accuracy of HTML, XML,
etc. yes. Aesthetics, value to world, idiocy of blinking text, no. You
would have to go to a wiki technology for the latter, or hope that the
site designers included a feedback option. Most Web pages are not meant
to be
deja vu all over again
the hearts and minds campaign in vietnam used anthropologists
extensively. One result - a schism in the American Anthropological
Association and the formation of the Society for Concerned Asian
Scholars. The very first professional convention I went to as an
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:18:26 -0400, Phil Henshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
The reason is that our minds only have the ability to take in and send
out information. That's better than nothing, but because our minds
can't take in and send out the physical things of the world, nature's
complex
Prof. Thompson is correct and I replied such, but think it went only to
him not the list. Anyway, that is why anthropologists insist on
participant observation and rely a lot more on natural communication,
stories, conversations, etc. than on formal interviews, quantitative
data, and so called
If pressed into a corner, I would say that C++ is not an OO language at
all - because the philosophy behind its creation is antithetical in
important ways to the IDEA of objects. Examples:
Simula is considered the first Object language (not Simula-68 which
was a programming language, not
Standish
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On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 11:06:58AM -0400, Prof David West wrote:
If pressed into a corner, I would say that C++ is not an OO language at
all - because the philosophy behind its creation is antithetical in
important ways to the IDEA of objects. Examples
An old book, but still interesting and relevant - Knorr-Certina, The
Manufacture of Knowledge, looks at how science is really done and really
written about and biases, blind-spots, and paradigms. A good complement
to the even older work of Paul Feyerabend.
davew
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:15:18
I would bet that I could extend the list - I am sure the researchers did
not talk to anyone (and there are a large number of individuals in this
group) who have sex as a:
means to enlightenment
a yogic discipline
a way to experience unity with God
to attain salvation by having sex with an
In my book - Object Thinking - I referenced a lot of material from this
series of books re: Simula, Smalltalk, and C++ (Java was still absent
from the books) to make the point that a lot of so-called object
languages were never intended to be such and that the only reason they
made the claim
Those of you who have been talking about the Iraq war lately might find
this to be of some interest.
davew
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At the risk of creating a diversion from the purpose of this list ...
It is not the youth of the men that matters, it is their sexuality.
There is a very well known inverse relationship between sex and
violence. Young men (and women in those cultures where they are allowed
to) have the
You are describing culture and the problem of culture change - I am
reading into your post a description of culture and the problem of
culture change.
An extended metaphor:
Begin with Hopfield's topographic, metaphorical, explanation of
neural net function. The topography is shaped by
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:09:05 -0600, Marcus G. Daniels
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Prof David West wrote:
As an unmitigated object bigot I would claim that there is nothing in
agents (or aspects for that matter) that did not exist in objects as
objects were supposed to be.
Ideally, agents ought
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:09:05 -0600, Marcus G. Daniels
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Prof David West wrote:
As an unmitigated object bigot I would claim that there is nothing in
agents (or aspects for that matter) that did not exist in objects as
objects were supposed to be.
Ideally, agents ought
Rather than attempt a definition, per se, consider when and where you
can observe differences between OO and say procedural programming.
At the level of post compilation / interpretation instructions -
none, can't be.
At the level of a single statement or expression - very minimal,
Hello FRIAM community,
My name is dave west. Some relevant factoids about me:
My undergraduate education was in Asian Philosophy (mostly Buddhism
and Taoism and their intersection) and Mysticism at Macalester
College in St. Paul Minn.
I have been a professional software developer
the embedded technology. Noury Bourqadi in France is
doing some very interesting things with tiny VMs running on hardware for
highly distributed mini-platform (cell phones) networks.
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 14:02:52 -0600, Marcus G. Daniels
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Prof David West wrote:
Objects
it is perhaps inappropriate to comment on a discussion before posting an
introduction (as I was asked to do when I joined the list) but I cannot
resist. (I will post an intro tonight.)
As an unmitigated object bigot I would claim that there is nothing in
agents (or aspects for that matter) that
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