Re: [FRIAM] KRACK

Awesome contribution! On October 21, 2017 2:26:51 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >I recently heard from a friend who achieved a very transient and >unexpected contact with a US Antartica Science team member via a 1W >handheld DMR RX/TX device.   Anecdotally, they field about 10 such >contacts a

Re: [FRIAM] KRACK

Ha! That reminds me of the fact that gmane no longer archives this list. (And even the mailman archives have been down for awhile.) So now's the time to speak freely because your words are less likely to be used against you later. 8^) I can't help but wonder how the notorious lack of security

Re: [FRIAM] KRACK

Yeah. They've built with a patch for ddwrt, too. Supposedly here: http://svn.dd-wrt.com/changeset/33525 But it's still fun to think about. On October 20, 2017 5:00:38 PM PDT, Roger Critchlow wrote: >The OpenWRT/LEDE open source images for compatible routers got updated >a >few days ago. Since t

Re: [FRIAM] Truth: “Hunh! What is it good for? Absolutely Nothing!”

Well, Peirce's work in modal logics demonstrates his methodological pluralism. So it seems to me he would agree with Dave to a large extent. Nick seems to focus on Peirce's metaphysics, of which I'm largely ignorant. But it seems like Peirce's distinction between reality and existence might help

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

There is no such thing as enlightened self interest. Enlightenment is (well, includes anyway) the realization that "self" is an illusion. Moreover, it's a willful illusion, one we can consciously manipulate. So, I agree with your basic idea that we can manipulate our sense of self. But I think a

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

it could also be framed in terms of inclusive fitness theory or that ideas > framed in terms of inclusive fitness theory had ever proven to be useful. On September 10, 2017 2:42:09 PM PDT, "gepr ⛧" wrote: > > > >On September 10, 2017 12:28:41 PM PDT, Steven A Smith

Re: [FRIAM] Enlightened Self Interest: was Help for texas

On September 10, 2017 12:28:41 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >it is built into us as humans/mammals/vertebrates/life-itself to be >self-centered, to look after our own personal well-being before we look to >that of others.   Our tribal/clan dunbar-number-scale affinities may cause us >to be

Re: [FRIAM] Help for texas

Well, I didn't intend them to be analogs so much as 3 examples of short-sighted failures to invest in infrastructure. The point being that an investment in building codes isn't that much different from an investment in sane zoning or watershed management. We (Oregon included) often sacrifice suc

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

But none of this seems to indicate that *selection* or survival to mating age *creates* the new attribute. Survival to mating age only preserves whatever phenotype was constructed by the genes and ontogeny. Whether you call genes and ontogeny random or not is irrelevant. We could easily call it

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

On August 13, 2017 11:38:07 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >I suspect neural correlates rapidly calibrate to networks with similar >behavior & topology across individuals sharing a _grounded_ task, >whether it is hunting a Buffalo or writing a song. But crazy ain't >grounded, so distributing n

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

On August 13, 2017 4:39:47 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >Every day I form hypotheses about how I think this or that experiment >or code modification will go, and often I have to confront contrary >evidence. I would say I have a pretty fast turnover of ideas. I doubt that. My guess is that

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Ha! You see? That's not even wrong. 8^) But it's more plausible than asserting that my ideas are mutated and crossed over from ... yours ... or Szasz' ... or my mom's, for example. On August 13, 2017 11:22:21 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >You are a typical intellectualizing scientist, which i

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

Well like I said in response to Frank's suggestion about self psychology, I tend towards a Szaszian perspective on talk therapy and psychology. But even that constellation of ideas, I think, has more structural truth to it than memetics. Of course my ignorance may be getting in my way here. So

Re: [FRIAM] Future of humans and artificial intelligence

FWIW, I tend to use stochastic to mean a process with a collection of variables, some of which are (pseudo) randomly set and some of which are not. A "random process" would imply a process where either all the variables are random OR where the randomly set variables are dominant. A process can b

Re: [FRIAM] the self

Ha! We bald people clearly have a stronger sense of self than hairy people. On August 8, 2017 6:06:12 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Gasp. Loss of _hair_? _Who_ would say such a thing? -- ⛧glen⛧ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group list

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

But the difference isn't merely rhetorical. If we take the setup seriously, that the unmarried patient really doesn't know the other names by which his condition is known, then there are all sorts of different side effects that might obtain. E.g. if the doctor tells him he's a bachelor, he might

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

On June 20, 2017 8:16:57 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >I dunno. I never quite know what Glen is on about. But I tended to >read his response in terms of his cancer. He is saying, “I am >comforted by knowing that I am not the only man with cancer.” If I >were dying of cancer, would I be co

Re: [FRIAM] the role of metaphor in scientific thought

On June 20, 2017 6:14:49 PM PDT, Nick Thompson wrote: > >[NST==>I assume you would agree that “unmarried because unmarried” is >perniciously circular. Right? Just checking. <==nst] Vapid, yes. Shallow, yes. Perhaps even vicious. But it's a little too empty, too obviously tautological to

Re: [FRIAM] now it all makes sense

Ha! You win that round hands down. On June 16, 2017 11:56:13 AM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: >Glen writes: > >"The authentically intelligent and well intentioned become tools for >the gamers/defectors. In the end, it's that _faith_ in human nature, >social or evolutionary progress, or whatever tha

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

I agree with Steve that lamina is biased with the assumption of continuous flow. Discrete aggreagation like coral deposition or FACS based cell by cell deposition would not be evoked by the term lamina. As an aside, although (serial) diffusion limited aggregation is often used to model coral de

Re: [FRIAM] IS: Does Complexity have a circularity problem WAS: Any non-biological complex systems?

and mollusk shell formation. Though they don't really interact, they are deposited kinda like spray paint. Coral deposition might also work well as a canonical example. On June 9, 2017 9:20:37 PM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >"strata in geology have *some* precedent (shears and folds) for tha

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

Yes, absolutely! The arguments about the ambiguity of terms like complex, model, layer, and the capitalization of words in programming languages fall squarely in the ontologies domain. And that means they fall under graph and network theory, though I think "labelled transition systems" might be

Re: [FRIAM] Graph/Network discursion.

I'm not entirely sure to be honest. But I know they must contain cycles. So DAGs are inadequate, hence my revulsion at the word "level". On June 9, 2017 12:37:39 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >Glen - > >At the risk of boring the rest of the crowd silly, I'd be interested in > >hearing more about

Re: [FRIAM] semiotics, again?

Excellent ideas! Thanks. On June 5, 2017 8:01:43 PM PDT, Carl Tollander wrote: >Seems like Kanji would qualify as such an exploration. See >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji particularly where they talk about >different "readings". (also see >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_characters

Re: [FRIAM] Get ready for Blockchain

Yes, exactly! One person's dystopia is another's utopia. On June 5, 2017 9:24:38 PM PDT, Steven A Smith wrote: >Glen - > >And now you sound a little like Kurt Vonnegut's satire: Harrison >Bergeron > >/In the year 2081, amendments to the Const

Re: [FRIAM] Any non-biological complex systems?

Excellent typology, Eric. 1) Memory, 2) doorways, 3) autonomous, 4) model, 5) control system, and 6) agency. It seems 1-2 are about the boundary. 3 is the closure. 4-5 are proto-semantic, separating what a thing is from what it means. And 6 is the mechanism for ambiguity (symbols, switches, w