Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. - on Earth Day

2007-04-23 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: Are you saying that the 'contextualize' function extracts the meanings of the words though, and looks for other associations with those meanings, or does it just reflect things like frequency and proximity of occurrence. The purpose of the contextualize function in

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. - on Earth Day

2007-04-22 Thread Phil Henshaw
, April 22, 2007 12:07 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Phil Henshaw wrote: H... what does that mean? The model of evolution I observe working in both natural systems and in designed systems is exploration

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-21 Thread Phil Henshaw
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:45 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Phil Henshaw wrote: My guess is that the reason

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-21 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: H... what does that mean? The model of evolution I observe working in both natural systems and in designed systems is exploration at the fringe What that means depends on the system involved, but the invariant is a high degree of organizational invariance in the

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-20 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: you kept coming back with the additional levels of distinctions that a careful application of categories to physical things must encounter. Do you have a method of doing that, or is that part of the method of the Cyc data format somehow? I don't have an algorithm for

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-19 Thread Phil Henshaw
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:33 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Phil Henshaw wrote: I'll have to try OpenCyc to have any

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-18 Thread Phil Henshaw
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Phil Henshaw wrote: So maybe the question of abstract v. real categories could provide plenty to talk about. Or perhaps how to take a lot of talk (or papers) and mine

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-18 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: I'll have to try OpenCyc to have any clear idea what it's for. What's the productive question it asks? From http://www.cyc.com/cyc/technology/whatiscyc_dir/whatsincyc The Cyc knowledge base (KB) is a formalized representation of a vast quantity of fundamental human

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-17 Thread Phil Henshaw
, 2007 8:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Frank Wimberly wrote: The reflexivity of the relation on the set of humans hasSameSexAs doesn't depend on what anyone reports or what organs they have. It only depends

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-17 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Phil Henshaw wrote: So maybe the question of abstract v. real categories could provide plenty to talk about. Or perhaps how to take a lot of talk (or papers) and mine it for strict or fuzzy categories that a computer could use, e.g. software like http://www.opencyc.org I think that common

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-16 Thread Matthew Francisco
On 4/15/07, Marcus G. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Agar wrote: Reflexivity is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory, a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true. Question is, what is the discrimination power of R? Does it ever say false?

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Allison Pinto
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Agar Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Reflexivity is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Matthew Francisco
? :) Allison -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Agar Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:15 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Reflexivity is one of those terms

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Michael Agar wrote: Reflexivity is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory, a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true. Question is, what is the discrimination power of R? Does it ever say false? (Unlike, say, Freud's theories or religious dogma),

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Frank wrote: It seems to me that sameSex is reflexive on the set of all humans. The only thing that would falsify that would be a human who is not the same sex as him or her self. The set of all humans is not reflexive due to ambiguity. sameSex(x0,x1) := (hasMaleSexOrgan (x0) and

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Phil Henshaw
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Michael Agar wrote: Reflexivity is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory, a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true. Question is, what is the discrimination power of R? Does it ever say false

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Gus Koehler
, 2007 7:09 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Hi Allison, You must be familiar with the European consensus conference concept? There has been some work in STS that looks at these sense-making spaces (see Frank Fischer's work

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread David Breecker
, let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) All best and good luck with the project, David - Original Message - From: Allison Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' friam@redfish.com Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Gus Koehler wrote: How is the invisible structure of software, be it GIS, networking systems, or electronic voting machines, to be made transparent and how do we know? One thing is to do is to require these crucial systems be open source. Maximally expose all potential vulnerabilities.

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:13 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Frank wrote: It seems to me that sameSex is reflexive on the set of all humans. The only thing that would falsify that would be a human who is not the same sex

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Frank Wimberly wrote: The reflexivity of the relation on the set of humans hasSameSexAs doesn't depend on what anyone reports or what organs they have. It only depends on whether their gender is what their gender is. Unless it can't be defined as a single thing, in which case the set cannot

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread Matthew Francisco
Good morning! On 4/14/07, Marcus G. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matt, For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems: 1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the world. To ask the right questions means having unbiased data on how people in some

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Matthew Francisco wrote: A system for knowing, for reflecting on reality; that's science, isn't it? A social system for reflecting on reality also fits the description of religion too (assuming that you accept a belief in what one is refleciting on is reality). We all know that there is a

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread alex strauss
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Matthew Francisco wrote: A system for knowing, for reflecting on reality; that's science, isn't it? A social system for reflecting on reality also fits the description of religion too (assuming that you accept a belief in what one is refleciting

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-14 Thread Michael Agar
Reflexivity is one of those terms... Nice and neat in set theory, a relation R is reflexive in set A iff for all a in A aRa is true. Then there's the ethnomethodology version, which means talk and situation dynamically co-constitute each other. Then there's the focused ethno version I

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Gus Koehler
Mike, how goes it? Thanks for your note. The field of science and technology studies is indeed interesting. Over the years I've tried to track cultural studies and philosophical works that have tried to reveal the form of what is emerging. The following authors turned up: Taylor and

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Matthew Francisco
Good day FRIAM, I am happy to have found this group. Joining about a month ago and in the midst of defending my proposal for dissertation research I haven't yet had the energy to respond to any of the discussions here. But I feel compelled today. As an emerging expert in the field of science

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. So what does this reflexivity have to do with applied complexity science? Interesting results are easier to come by if it is possible to chase the ball with the bar that measures the kick

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Carl Tollander
Folks that are interested in the structure of scientific communities might be interested in some of David Corfield's work. It's aimed primarily at the intersection of the math and philosophy communities, but seems to me to have some cross-application to some of the issues in this thread. The

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Mikhail Gorelkin wrote: reflexivity is also a part of cybernetics (of second order), and cybernetists think that complexity theory is a part of cybernetics too... For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems: 1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Phil Henshaw
No clue, but sounds like a normal view from the 50's 60's 70's 80's or 90's? Clearly not someone who knew about new classes of promising options that hadn't been tried yet though... On 4/11/07, Nicholas Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Nicholas Thompson wrote: And counsels of dispair are urgings toward a libertine life. On the theory that my raping and muggering is as likely to produce social good as my non raping and non muggering, why dont I just go out and rape and mugger? Is there some evidence that, without

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Matthew Francisco
Dr. Daniels, I want to make sure I understand you. See below... On 4/13/07, Marcus G. Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mikhail Gorelkin wrote: reflexivity is also a part of cybernetics (of second order), and cybernetists think that complexity theory is a part of cybernetics too... For

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Phil Henshaw
6:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Nicholas Thompson wrote: And counsels of dispair are urgings toward a libertine life. On the theory that my raping and muggering is as likely to produce social good as my non

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-13 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Hi Matt, For the social scientist, the approach raises two problems: 1) Too much reflection means too much attention to models of the world. To ask the right questions means having unbiased data on how people in some context of interest actually behave. I take it that when you say

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-12 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Loneliness, estrangement, isolation describe the vast distance between man and man today. These dominant tendencies cannot be overcome by better personnel management, nor by improved gadgets, but only when a love of man overcomes the idolatrous worship of things by man. Oddly enough,

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-12 Thread Gus Koehler
www.timestructures.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Gus, As I was reading through the full Port Huron statement at http

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-12 Thread alex strauss
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Steve: Actually, your question is really hard. I have been involved in tracing the significant issues--economic, political, ethical, philosophical--associated with the emergence of various advanced technologies here

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-12 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Gus Koehler wrote: Technohippies can identify the ethical and moral limits, design webs that are grounded in the knowing of what is cut-off and what is brought forward. They can insist on face-to-face meetings and rolling in the grass. alex strauss wrote: Back to rolling in the grass and

[FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-11 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the following passage. No Fair using google. It is NOT from the Gettysburg Address. Our work is guided by the sense that we may be the last generation in the experiment with living. But we are a minority--the vast majority of our

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-11 Thread David Mirly
I'll play. Theodore Kaczynski? Now I have to go see if I am right. It's scary playing this game and quite possibly making a fool of oneself. On Apr 11, 2007, at 6:10 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the following passage. No

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-11 Thread Mikhail Gorelkin
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the following passage. No Fair using google. It is NOT from the Gettysburg Address. Our work is guided

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-11 Thread Gus Koehler
Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Nicholas Thompson wrote: I am curious to know if anybody in Friam-land will recognize the following passage. No Fair

Re: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source.

2007-04-11 Thread Stephen Guerin
Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: RE: [FRIAM] Can you guess the source. Lets see, patriot act, citizen phone taps without knowledge, bank taps without knowledge, Bush manipulation of fear by terror buggy man, electronic voting subversion resulting from subversion of two