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(3) They have forgotten it!
Nick
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ERIC P. CHARLES
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Of Owen Densmore
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I like this conversation .. its bugged me for years that it's difficult to
discuss computer science and mathematics with my friends. Indeed
Nick writes, in relevant part:
AS for the discussion with Doug and Peter, I am, I guess,
an incurable amateur. I think of the world as arrayed in
layers [of abstraction]; for me, there always is [should be?
-note the use of modal language!] a level of abstraction at
which it is
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I like this conversation .. its bugged me
I can offer some historical context on why physicists at least are, on
average, unlikely to give Nick much help.
In the 1950s Halliday and Resnick, then at Pitt, created a new-style
intro university-level (calculus-based) physics textbook, for the
freshman/sophomore course taken by engineering
Interesting, Bruce, thanks.
BTW: on the subject of being of use to Nick re: his burning question of why
water goes down the sink drain the way it does, Nick appears to have
rejected the characterization of this phenomenon as a really, really hard
fluid flow systems problem requiring
I find this discussion fascinating, especially because it mirrors an ongoing
discussion between me (liberal arts trained) and my beloved (applied
mathematician/computer scientist). In over forty years, we've found that we can
talk to each other at some level about these issues, but I don't
Simply titillating, Pamela.
--Doug
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com wrote:
I find this discussion fascinating, especially because it mirrors an
ongoing discussion between me (liberal arts trained) and my beloved (applied
mathematician/computer scientist). In
Nick: in the djvu books on Feynman Lectures on physics, you'll find this
comment on fluids and their difficulties in the first volume.
Finally, there is a physical problem that is common to many fields, that
is very old, and that has not been solved. It is not the problem of finding
new
.
N
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Simply titillating, Pamela.
--Doug
On Tue
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Simply titillating, Pamela.
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--Doug
On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Pamela McCorduck pam...@well.com wrote:
I find this discussion fascinating, especially because it mirrors an
ongoing discussion between me (liberal
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I must say Nick, that was a rather immature response, even by my standards.
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Let's look back at this thread for a moment:
- First, you asked a question that probably can't be answered, even
with the most
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I must say Nick, that was a rather immature response, even by my standards.
Let's look back
Of
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Subject: [FRIAM] Experiment and Interpretation
Klowns like me are often misinterpreted, as noted by Yorick. I am ardently in
favor of experiment, carefully observed. It is the basis of all science
Peter Lissaman writes, in relevant part:
Incidentally, with reference to some discussions of high and low
pressures at surfaces: ALL free surfaces for ANY fluid motion with
stationary air as the contiguous external fluid are at the same
CONSTANT pressure. How could they be otherwise?
But,
As opposed to the (a ?) fourth way of simply setting under a boddhi tree and
isolating yourself from the world ?
Sarbajit
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Nicholas Thompson
nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote:
Dear Peter,
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There are three ways to learn something: read, fiddle with
Sarbajit,
I believe that for the purposes of some types of learning, Nick would consider
that a form of fiddling. Certainly I would. This is most obvious if you are
trying to find out what would happen if you sit under the boddhi tree by
yourself for a while. However, it is presumably an
...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 12:35 AM
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Subject: [FRIAM] Experiment and Interpretation
Klowns like me are often misinterpreted, as noted by Yorick. I am
ardently in favor of experiment, carefully observed. It is the
basis of all science. But, but, the interpretation
to vernatcular experience.
Nick
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Of Douglas Roberts
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Well, I guess all I can say
experience.
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Nick
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that
would flow from your approach?
Nick
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There is *everything* to be learned from the phenomenon in question, if one
is just willing to buckle down and study the underlying science. Mechanical
engineering. Chemical
Nick replies to Douglas Roberts:
First, It says something kind of funny about physics .
that it will never
explain anything that any of us are curious about
unless we first learn enough about it (physics) that
we can understand the explanation (in physical terms)?
Second, it seems to say
.
Nick
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*On Behalf Of *Douglas Roberts
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Well, I guess all I can say is that I don't
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Of Steve Smith
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 7:19 PM
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Nick -
As usual, I'm of two minds. I appreciate your frustration
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 5:49 PM
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Re: obligation: sure. Get a background that provides you with a scientific
basis for understanding whatever
Actually, Steve, despite spending 40 years doing what it was I did, I
never felt an expert. One of my criteria for expertise, which I felt
I never met, was the capacity to explain a difficult subject to an
attentive, well-educated lay person. And the emperor's new clothes
has always been
I like this conversation .. its bugged me for years that it's difficult to
discuss computer science and mathematics with my friends. Indeed, I think
many of us find it a bit lonely.
I certainly feel uncomfortable telling them to go get a good education in
mathematics then we can chat! And when
Klowns like me are often misinterpreted, as noted by Yorick. I am ardently in
favor of experiment, carefully observed. It is the basis of all science. But,
but, the interpretation of observed phenomena must also be dealt with
carefully. Voodoo has a pernicious way of creeping in.
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