Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-19 Thread Bruce Sherwood
I should have pointed out that the ebook version of our textbook is available to students for $20 per semester (essentially rented). Though there are several suppliers, the only effective one is WebAssign, a computer homework system for which Ruth and I created a suite of questions from our textboo

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-19 Thread Edward Angel
To truly grasp the magnitude of the problem, you have to add a couple of zeros to the numbers of books being sold. The $200 into biology book will sell tens of thousands of copies a year in the US while a high school text may sell hundreds of thousands of copies if it is adopted by states like C

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-19 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Dear Earthlings of the United Federation What kind of society do you live in where in a population of 300 million people and speaking only about 3 or 4 languages you have print runs of 50-100 for educational books costing US$200 each ? On my planet we have solved the problem through Section 32A o

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-19 Thread Bruce Sherwood
History: We wrote what is now volume 2 on electromagnetism completely on our own, to use with our own students and a few interested colleagues. Wiley heard about it and decided to publish it, essentially as a service to the physics education community, not expecting that it would ever be widely use

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-19 Thread Owen Densmore
Thanks Ed, interesting. And wow Bruce, Apple is being draconian yet again. Unfortunately, their sell is that the books will not become obsolete .. presumably that is a promise to the K-12 school system that they will upgrade for free or reasonable price. Maybe! However, it seems the key problem

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-19 Thread Edward Angel
The contract is pretty amazing. I can't believe any author would agree to the terms. My experience is mostly with college books but most of the issues are similar. The book market for high school and grade school books involves a lot more money and is highly politicized with publishers working v

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-18 Thread Bruce Sherwood
And be sure to read http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/apples-mind-bogglingly-greedy-and-evil-license-agreement/4360?tag=content;siu-container for which there's a link on the page shown below, but you don't want to miss it. The Apple contract just blows one's mind. Bruce On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:1

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-18 Thread Bruce Sherwood
See http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-news/why-the-apple-textbook-program-will-never-work/6526. A sample: "My colleague Ed Bott has done a thorough job tearing apart the Apple licensing agreements and technical details that turn the iBooks textbook program into a “mind-bogglingly greedy and evil li

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-18 Thread Owen Densmore
Oops, forgot: Apple is getting into text books big time .. here is their ad: http://www.apple.com/education/ibooks-textbooks/ They know its going to take a long time, transitioning to a new media, dealing with legal and authoring issues. They are working on an IDE for books, so to speak .. so

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-18 Thread Owen Densmore
How do we deal with fair author protection? Certainly the current business model doesn't work. As prices soar, so does piracy. We have several authors on the list. Have you insights? -- Owen Just FYI: If you'd like to see the titles of the now-defunct russian site of 80,381 text books: ht

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-18 Thread Joseph Spinden
I was curious as to the reaction of this group to what I took to be the main point of the article: the global demand for learning and scholarship is not being met by the contemporary publishing industry. It cannot be, not with the current business models and the prices. I personally agree w

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-18 Thread Paul Kruchoski
I'll preface my laundry list of links here by saying that I'm working on a book about how technology can dramatically bring down the costs of education -- if we only let it do so. There's a lot of government investment in free/open educational materials -- both textbooks and curricula sets. See h

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-17 Thread Owen Densmore
Is your interest is the piracy angle? If so, there are lots of free and open ebooks for just about any topic you might care about! But on the other hand, they may not be the best suited to the class being taught. Amazingly enough, many profs are migrating to open/free sets of notes that are equi

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-17 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
A sociology colleague and I have been working on a project related to PowerPoint use in the classroom, specifically looking at professor's use of citations in their classroom presentations. Aside from our project getting a good rise out of our colleagues, it is legitimately anticipating an upcoming

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
I don't think it's hyperbolic, it's the business model: convert a piece the collective human intellect into property, collect rents, parlay a piece of the action into enough money to change the laws of property to protect your rents. -- rec -- 2012/4/17 glen e. p. ropella > Joseph Spinden wrot

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-17 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Joseph Spinden wrote at 04/17/2012 09:21 AM: > http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/2012227143813304790.html "This is so much the case that it can't be long before reading a book - making an unauthorised copy in your brain - is also made illegal." Sure, it's hyperbolic. But I like th

[FRIAM] Fwd: The disappearing virtual library - Opinion - Al Jazeera English

2012-04-17 Thread Joseph Spinden
I came across an article I found interesting. I was curious about the reaction of the members of this group, if there is an interest. Joe http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/2012227143813304790.html -- "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D.