Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers

2021-03-17 Thread Roger Critchlow
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/17/1020811/better-tech-government-pandemic-united-states/ -- rec -- On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 12:15 PM Barry MacKichan < barry.mackic...@mackichan.com> wrote: > Don’t worry about it. I’m outsourcing my memory now, to Google. > —Barry > > On 16 Mar 2021,

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2021-03-16 Thread Barry MacKichan
Don’t worry about it. I’m outsourcing my memory now, to Google. —Barry On 16 Mar 2021, at 10:58, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: Sorry. That was Oxford, in England, not Harvard. [sigh] I'm too old to post without a fact checker. - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity

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2021-03-16 Thread Barry MacKichan
With the understanding that I am not talking about any specific project but rather about generalities, I can point out how much effort you could save with shared code — kill 50 (55 including territories) birds with one stone. Especially if that code is built with tinker toy modules. I think

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2021-03-16 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Sorry. That was Oxford, in England, not Harvard. [sigh] I'm too old to post without a fact checker. On 3/15/21 2:45 PM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > ... or even the recent shunt of Harvard's plan to open-source their vaccine. -- ↙↙↙ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM

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2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
Sure, who *isn't* wrong. That you are interested in the question, as a question at all, leaves you out of the region of my angst. Additionally, I almost always interpret you as meaning, "Go for it, so long as you doubt". Though, to display here an ontological game involving an infinite tower of

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2021-03-15 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
In my ignorance, I'd tend to agree. Local governments have a local obligation and, by virtue of their locality, have a better chance to meet local needs. Regardless, anyone who cares might find out more at the meeting on Thursday:

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2021-03-15 Thread Prof David West
*Olivia Adams* built an appointment site for Massachusetts as did *Huge Ma* for New York. (don't have links at the moment). I am pretty sure that 50 $1 million sites would be far superior to one $100 million Federal site. Probably all of them could be up and running in a couple of weeks —

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2021-03-15 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
Yeah, but the arrogance lies in the word "similar". Is the Yeo and Lin site all that's needed? It took me to WAs "Phase Finder" just fine. (I already knew about it from my GP's recommendation. But it was nice to see the breadcrumbs.) But WA is, I think, ahead of the curve. It's the Feds'

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2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
Well said, for the most part. The generalizations *do* serve a purpose, the anecdotes as well. From my perspective, performance paralysis is alive and well in our culture and often I am dismayed when for any given subject an individual attempts expertise-passing by claiming impossibility. But hey,

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2021-03-15 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
It does. Many of us have had hands-on experience building the kind of tool Biden proposed. The trick is that we, as pattern recognition devices, tend to think our experiences are generalizable. Whoever suggested finding the right 15 people committed that sin. Your doubt is healthy. But while

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2021-03-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm not sure this adds anything. As I've said before I was a one of the first people to be hired by Bell Labs to work specifically on No. 5 ESS. During my interview they told me they wanted to hire 125 computer science PhDs. The year I finished there were 108 who graduated in the entire

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2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
Pobre? The thread has me thinking about the relationship between *existence proof* and *anecdotal evidence*: player 1: There are no integers between 1 and 5. player 2: I found the number 3. player 1: That's just anecdotal evidence. I worked quite a bit on a variant of the problem outlined, and

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2021-03-15 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
That's a shame. Again we end up in the dominance-submission, lie to get what you want, fake-it-till-you-make-it, conflict-driven game we see all around us. [sigh] On 3/15/21 12:07 PM, jon zingale wrote: > To be fair, this thread began with DaveW accepting wagers. I expect there to > be

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2021-03-15 Thread jon zingale
To be fair, this thread began with DaveW accepting wagers. I expect there to be bluffing, chesting and posturing. I expect stoggies, jack's to be wild, and for guns to be checked at the door. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-.

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2021-03-15 Thread uǝlƃ ↙↙↙
It's important in conversations like these to recognize that preconceptions of some whatever task are *usually* wrong. So rather than argue "2 kids in a dorm could do it in a weekend" versus "it requires Oracle and $10M", or anywhere in between, it's best to think with a little humility. My own

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2021-03-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
: Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers Sorry, looks like it has been done . See https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2021/03/demystifying-vaccination-procedures?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020210315b%20(1) It might be interesting to see how close to useful

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2021-03-15 Thread Barry MacKichan
Sorry, looks like it has been done . See https://www.seas.harvard.edu/news/2021/03/demystifying-vaccination-procedures?utm_source=SilverpopMailing_medium=email_campaign=Daily%20Gazette%2020210315b%20(1) It might be interesting to see how close to useful this comes. —Barry. On 13 Mar 2021,

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2021-03-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
somehow to move up in an organization. There is no driver to leave or to get smarter about work. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 7:39 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers I started as a programmer (COBOL

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2021-03-15 Thread Prof David West
I started as a programmer (COBOL for business apps / Assembler for internals) in 1968. I have held almost every title up to and including CIO. I was a professor of, essentially, management information systems but also taught the non-math CS stuff, like O/S, programming, database, and AI. Spent

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2021-03-15 Thread Tom Johnson
lt;https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Prof David West > *Sent: *Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:45 AM > *To: *friam@redfish.com > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers > > > > At the peak of the healthcare.gov

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2021-03-14 Thread jon zingale
Ha, *bringing some more reality* is what I listen for to know when I have some naysayers on the ropes. Much of the last decade of my career has been working to reconcile data whose interfaces radically vary. Claiming it to be an 11 billion dollar problem is a rhetorical move that smells of

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2021-03-14 Thread Gary Schiltz
O venting. > > > > Cjf > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Prof David West > *Sent: *Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:45 AM > *To: *friam@redfish.com > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] I

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2021-03-14 Thread Chris Feola
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Prof David West<mailto:profw...@fastmail.fm> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 9:45 AM To: friam@redfish.com<mailto:friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers At the peak of the hea

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2021-03-14 Thread Barry MacKichan
What you describe probably could be done approximately as fast as Dave says. But we are not talking simply about a system with an elegant web interface for the public and a static database on the back end. The compexity of the back end depends a lot on the requirements. Localities have to keep

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2021-03-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
These kind of turf issues arise in other large organizations. It is not just government. On Mar 14, 2021, at 7:45 AM, Prof David West wrote:  At the peak of the healthcare.gov fiasco, Sixty Minutes, did a segment on a small company in San Francisco — five people — built site with all the

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2021-03-14 Thread Prof David West
At the peak of the healthcare.gov fiasco, *Sixty Minutes,* did a segment on a small company in San Francisco — five people — built site with all the capabilities, including calculating subsidies (supposedly the most difficult feature), of the official site. It took them a weekend (supposedly) —

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2021-03-13 Thread jon zingale
""" /I can see a lot more work needed that will never be seen from the public’s side of the system. The 50,000 sites will not be constant. Some new ones will come, and some will go. Hospitals, public health departments, independent as well as chain pharmacies have to feed information into the

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2021-03-13 Thread Gary Schiltz
Rather tangential, but I wonder what percent of people in the USA are computer literate? Here in the "third world" (Ecuador), many, many people who use the internet almost constantly have never touched a "computer". For them, a computer is an Android phone. On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 6:35 PM Barry

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2021-03-13 Thread Prof David West
Circa 2012 - 2015, when I was at Highlands. On Sat, Mar 13, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Tom Johnson wrote: > When did you do this? > If you're interested, I can add you to the It's The People's Data free, > monthly newsletter. > > Some FRIAM-ers might be interested in what's been going on in NYC this

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2021-03-13 Thread Barry MacKichan
When the healthcare.gov fiasco was going on, I was trying repeatedly to refill my Starbucks card using their web site. I thought it would be interesting to see which site would be running correctly first. I don’t know which was first but it was close — it wasn’t a slam dunk win for private

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2021-03-13 Thread Tom Johnson
When did you do this? If you're interested, I can add you to the It's The People's Data free, monthly newsletter. Some FRIAM-ers might be interested in what's been going on in NYC this past week, where it is Open Data Week 2021. See https://www.open-data.nyc/

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2021-03-13 Thread Prof David West
I did. At great length and in intricate detail. Also DMV — who went on to hire a company with a track record of failure/cost overruns, and lawsuits from 8 other states— and to unemployment office. The only agency that listened to me was the state engineer and my students fixed a failed

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2021-03-13 Thread Tom Johnson
; > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Tom Johnson > *Sent:* Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:26 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers > > > > Hay, Brother Dave, how about telling th

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2021-03-13 Thread thompnickson2
ehalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] I am accepting wagers Hay, Brother Dave, how about telling this to Santa Fe City Hall, the Santa Fe County Clerk, county commissioners and even the Pet Licens

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2021-03-13 Thread Tom Johnson
Hay, Brother Dave, how about telling this to Santa Fe City Hall, the Santa Fe County Clerk, county commissioners and even the Pet Licensing division of the Sheriff's Office. TJ Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com

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2021-03-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
Or the nature of the firms that compete for government contracts, or the nature of software development. Google classified this thread as spam. -- rec -- On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 1:19 PM Gary Schiltz wrote: > I don't agree with your premise that someone on this list could build the > website

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2021-03-13 Thread Gary Schiltz
I don't agree with your premise that someone on this list could build the website over a weekend. I do agree with the wager, that the federal government will hire some large contracting firm and spend millions of dollars, and it will still suck. I have the feeling that that is simply the nature of

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2021-03-13 Thread Prof David West
Biden promised a Federal Website to give citizens easy an accurate access to vaccination appointments. Fully operational May 1, date that all Americans wishing a vaccine/vaccination will be able to obtain one. Assume 50,000 vaccination sites, 50, 15-minute, time slots per day and, at that