Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-13 Thread Roger Critchlow
Did anyone else notice Geoffrey Hinton https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvK_KuIeJk and Peter Norvig https://www.noemamag.com/artificial-general-intelligence-is-already-here/ among everything else that's been going on? Oh, and Youtube just rudely informed me that my adblocker is no longe

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-12 Thread Marcus Daniels
A nihilist can still have preferences. > On Oct 12, 2023, at 10:21 AM, glen wrote: > > I think that's an ideological stance, not a brute fact. The use of the term > "better" is nothing but an "ought", which is difficult to derive from an "is". > >> On 10/9/23 10:07, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-12 Thread glen
I think that's an ideological stance, not a brute fact. The use of the term "better" is nothing but an "ought", which is difficult to derive from an "is". On 10/9/23 10:07, Marcus Daniels wrote: We are better off if the ones that carry demonstrably false claims are proportionately devalued.

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding "Truth" is well defined. It is the set of propositions which assert that what is the case is the case. Determining whether a given proposition is true may be difficult. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Sa

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Frank Wimberly
"Truth" is well defined. It is the set of propositions which assert that what is the case is the case. Determining whether a given proposition is true may be difficult. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Oct 9, 2023, 10:23 AM glen w

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Steve Smith
On 10/9/23 9:24 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: I mean there are some categories that are disjoint or mostly disjoint. Similarly, the grounding is not total. I agree that value systems like MAGA have power, but they don't have truth. There is no truth. All there is, is power, which is my poin

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
. We are better off if the ones that carry demonstrably false claims are proportionately devalued. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Monday, October 9, 2023 9:23 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding OK, I agree, mostly. But &

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread glen
OK, I agree, mostly. But "truth" is no more well-defined than any other specific grounding style. E.g. the insistence that there is truth in fiction. There is affective truth in MAGA, just like there's truth in whatever justification Hamas might give for its reaction to the bloodshed of the Isr

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
I mean there are some categories that are disjoint or mostly disjoint. Similarly, the grounding is not total. I agree that value systems like MAGA have power, but they don't have truth. There is no truth. All there is, is power, which is my point. QM and demagoguery are both tools, with d

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-09 Thread glen
Hm. Even with the caveat of "generally", I think this complementarity argument fails because all the various categories are not disjoint. And it's the (somewhat) lack(ing) of grounding/binding that allows the mixing of the modes. I'd tried to point this out by using "computation", the idea that

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
Apparently many people in North America.) Marcus From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of David Eric Smith <mailto:desm...@santafe.edu> Date: Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com&

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
th *Date: *Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:40 AM *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding Zang!  I had not made that connection. Hmmh.  What do I think?  I seem to have viewed uninterpreted models much as I view a hammer or a sh

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
to judge the people who don’t value those types of societies. (Apparently many people in North America.) Marcus From: Friam on behalf of David Eric Smith Date: Sunday, October 8, 2023 at 10:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Language Model

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
uld be >>> aware of this and critically evaluate the model's outputs for any biases.* >>> >>> *7. **Algorithm**: This is a fancy word for a set of rules or >>> instructions that an LLM follows to perform tasks. Algorithms guide how the >>> model gene

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
tion**: This is the process of reducing bias in LLMs. >> It's important in journalism to ensure that the information provided by the >> model is fair and unbiased.* >> >> *12. **Ethical AI**: This refers to the practice of using LLMs >> responsibly and ethica

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread David Eric Smith
nsure that the information provided by the >>> model is fair and unbiased. >>> >>> 12. **Ethical AI**: This refers to the practice of using LLMs responsibly >>> and ethically. Journalists should consider the ethical implications of >>> using these

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread David Eric Smith
Zang! I had not made that connection. Hmmh. What do I think? I seem to have viewed uninterpreted models much as I view a hammer or a shovel; as a tool in the world for doing a certain job (in this case, a job of perceiving the world in valid ways), neither here nor there w.r.t. questions of

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: “Bears on how many things make up the machinery of nihilism, extending well beyond relations I recognized as part of an integration, though mentioning many things I rail against in daily life.” The willingness of physicists to use uninterpreted models, e.g., quantum mechanics, see

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-07 Thread Steve Smith
*From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Tom Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, October 7, 2023 2:38 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding Thanks for passing this along, Steve. I wish, however, the authors of this short p

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-07 Thread Tom Johnson
A small language model might be suitable for understanding the > geometries of chemicals, say. > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Tom Johnson > *Sent:* Saturday, October 7, 2023 2:38 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfis

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-07 Thread Marcus Daniels
, October 7, 2023 2:38 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding Thanks for passing this along, Steve. I wish, however, the authors of this short piece would have included a definition of, in their usage, "Large Language Models

Re: [FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-07 Thread Tom Johnson
Thanks for passing this along, Steve. I wish, however, the authors of this short piece would have included a definition of, in their usage, "Large Language Models" and "Small Language Models." Perhaps I can find those in the larger paper. Tom On Sat, Oct 7, 2023 at 12:34 PM Steve Smith wrote: >

[FRIAM] Language Model Understanding

2023-10-07 Thread Steve Smith
This popular-press article came through my Google News feed recently which I thought might be useful to the Journalists/English-Majors on the list to help understand how LLMs work, etc.   When I read it in detail (forwarded from my TS (TinyScreenPhone) on my LS (Large Screen Laptop)) I found it