Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Pamela: “But I don’t know if productivity of those 24/7 workers has been measured in a sound, qualitative way.” There is a certain euphoria in momentum even if it means long hours, especially if it is a task that is self-directed. Stopping hurts more than it helps. Days, weeks, months can

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Nick Thompson
Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick- Steve, For me, there are only two questions I want you to ask yourself: Is the Trump administration likely to do things that will irrevocably decrease the quality of life of people you care

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Is the FRIAM list social media? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 29, 2017 10:11 AM, "Marcus Daniels" <mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: Pame

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > Pamela writes: > > “Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, before > bed, that sort of thing.” > > There’s conflict that is created between those people that use electronic >

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Frank Wimberly
Is the FRIAM list social media? Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Jan 29, 2017 10:11 AM, "Marcus Daniels" wrote: > *Pamela writes:* > > > > *“*Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, > before bed, that sort of thing.” > > > > There’s

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Marcus Daniels
Pamela writes: “Turkle suggests all kinds of times out from technology—dinner time, before bed, that sort of thing.” There’s conflict that is created between those people that use electronic communication non-stop for their work vs. those that don’t want to. The former are essentially

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
> On Jan 29, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Nick Thompson > wrote: > > So we’re stuck, right, Pamela? There’s nothing we can do? Just sit and take > it? > > Nick Oh no. Partly it’s self-correcting. Sherry Turkle (Reclaiming Conversation, and also a new Kindle single

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Steven A Smith
28, 2017 9:50 PM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick - I know I don't always seem to take your questions seriously, but I generally do. I DO think the computer industry HAS effectively contribu

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-29 Thread Pamela McCorduck
;>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology >>> Clark University >>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >>> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> >>> >>> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfi

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
orning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] < So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and leave it to others, “the politic

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Pamela McCorduck Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 4:53 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Before we blame any particula

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
ompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:50 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Nick - I know I don't always seem

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
Smith *Sent:*Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once resembled sharp tools and us

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
m@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once resembled sharp tools and useful fasteners? I was thinking that if we *all* burned one gallon of petrol *less* a month (and everyone "like us") the dema

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
..@cirrillian.com <mailto:rob...@cirrillian.com>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Date: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complex

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Grant Holland
mpson/naturaldesigns/> *From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com]*On Behalf Of*Steven A Smith *Sent:*Saturday, January 28, 2017 1:15 PM *To:*The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject:*Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]ag

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
< So, the question is , “Should we do what we can do, no matter how lame or ineffectual it might seem?” Or, should we pull back, “move to Spain’, and leave it to others, “the politicians”, to lower themselves to do what needs to be done. > Andrés asserts it is not populism by another means.

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Pamela McCorduck
PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com > <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] > > Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once resembled > sharp tools and

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
dfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Toolkit? This rusty old box filled with rusty things that once resembled sharp tools and useful fasteners? I was thinking that if we *all* burned one gallon of petrol *less* a month (and everyone "like us") the demand wou

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Gary Schiltz
e. >> >> >> >> Now what politicians and opposition leaders do to manage this problem is >> a different matter. That is about appearances not reality. >> >> >> >> Marcus >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Friam <friam-boun

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] It is worth noting he’s living in Spain. From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> > on behalf of &qu

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
*Date: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezu

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Gary Schiltz
offee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM > > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] > > > > The Washington Post has an interest

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
28, 2017 9:38 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles and indulge in second dinnerses? Fun aside, I DO appreciate your sentiment here and agree that th

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezuelan on what to do and mostly what not to do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/27/i

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Marcus Daniels
fee Group <friam@redfish.com> Date: Saturday, January 28, 2017 at 11:34 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] The Washington Post has an interesting essay from a Venezuelan on what

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Gillian Densmore
gt; > Sent from my Tricorder > > Original message > From: Nick Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > Date: 1/28/17 01:57 (GMT+01:00) > To: Friam <Friam@redfish.com> > Cc: penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>, 'Bruce Simon' < > bjs...@yah

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A Smith *Sent:* Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits do? Scratch our hairy knuckles

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
ickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 9:38 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] What can WE hobbits

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Steven A Smith
..@yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas' <dixmccom...@gmail.com>; 'Grant Franks' <grantfra...@earthlink.net> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Yes, agree. Trump’s point of view is “Whatever I can win with is true.” And if he wins with what we call “a lie”, it is true for him.

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Nick Thompson
iam@redfish.com> Cc: penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>; 'Bruce Simon' <bjs...@yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas' <dixmccom...@gmail.com>; 'Grant Franks' <grantfra...@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Yes, agree. Trump’s point o

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-28 Thread Jochen Fromm
t;Friam@redfish.com> Cc: penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>, 'Bruce Simon' <bjs...@yahoo.com>, 'Dix McComas' <dixmccom...@gmail.com>, 'Grant Franks' <grantfra...@earthlink.net> Subject: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] Hi everybody,I kind of got buried by t

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] < What nick said was, "[For such a person as trump,] there is no truth of the matter, there is only the exercise of power." > I was capturing the essential bit. Nothing good ever comes

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
< What nick said was, "[For such a person as trump,] there is no truth of the matter, there is only the exercise of power." > I was capturing the essential bit. Nothing good ever comes from attribution. Marcus FRIAM Applied

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Gillian Densmore
y Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Cc:* penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>; 'Bruce Simon' < > bjs...@yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas' <dixmccom...@gmail.com>; 'Grant Franks' < > grantfra...@earthlink.net> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
els Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 6:41 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Cc: penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>; 'Bruce Simon' <bjs...@yahoo.com>; 'Dix McComas' <dixmccom...@gmail.com>; 'Grant Franks' <grantfra...@earth

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
ish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen >> Densmore >> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2017 6:40 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Cc:* penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>; Bruce Simon < >> bjs...@yahoo.co

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Frank Wimberly
*Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2017 6:40 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Cc:* penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>; Bruce Simon < > bjs...@yahoo.com>; Dix McComas <dixmccom...@gmail.com>; Grant Fr

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
lexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Cc: penny thompson <penny.thomp...@earthlink.net>; Bruce Simon <bjs...@yahoo.com>; Dix McComas <dixmccom...@gmail.com>; Grant Franks <grantfra...@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again] problematize (Ugh!

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Owen Densmore
Just a thought: Don't emergency rooms have to treat anyone who walks through the door? I recall seeing a *lot* of that when my mom-in-law was in the hospital. These were folks with fairly minor problems like a rash or the flu. And I'm delighted they got care. So all minimizing ACA will do is up

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: "There is no truth of the matter; there is only the exercise of power. " [..] "So, if we are going to counter Trump, it cannot be by demonstrating that he lies. It has to be by demonstrating that liars don't win." He's old and nearing the last round of his iterated Prisoner's

Re: [FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Owen Densmore
> > problematize (Ugh!) the Deweyan to see as problematic? On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Hi everybody, > > > > I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming > back to this topic, even when we are talking about

[FRIAM] [[Narcissism Again]again]

2017-01-27 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi everybody, I kind of got buried by the list last week, but we seem to keep coming back to this topic, even when we are talking about globalism. So. Let me just share one thought. I have said a hundred times that I think the great achievement of the Right in my life time has been

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism Again

2017-01-26 Thread glen ☣
From Street's article: "My guess is that he’ll try to tough it out, handing off most if not all the difficult work to his underlings." I agree with Street, here. There's an accusation that people like Bannon are writing a bunch of executive orders, not even knowing which ones Trump will sign.

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism Again

2017-01-26 Thread Robert Wall
Actually, I think the author, Richard Willmsen, got it right, Frank. I am seeing more of these predictions of a meltdown ... the following linked *CounterPunch *article says he is going to have a lot of help in the process ... Also, I think Paul Street has this same thought completely right in

Re: [FRIAM] Narcissism Again

2017-01-26 Thread ┣glen┫
On 01/25/2017 09:01 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > This insightful essay about Trump argues that he will soon decompensate: > > https://infinite-coincidence.com/2017/01/22/donald-trump-is-going-to-snap-very-soon-and-here-is-how-i-know/ > > Since it is a prediction it will be easy to evaluate.