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Dude! You're passing on the opportunity to troll for the meaning of "mechanics", "mechanism", etc? The social distancing must be getting to you. 8^D On 5/14/20 9:23 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Got it!  Thanks everybody.  N -- ☣ uǝlƃ .-. .- -. -.. --- -- -..-. -.. --- - ... -..-. .- -.

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On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 10:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube But in the context of maintaining balance in a walking machine they are derivable from classical mechanics

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But in the context of maintaining balance in a walking machine they are derivable from classical mechanics. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:14 AM uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > You're right. There are mechanistic DE models and

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What Glen said. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, May 14, 2020, 10:14 AM uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > You're right. There are mechanistic DE models and non-mechanistic DE > models. > > On 5/14/20 9:09 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > > I am

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You're right. There are mechanistic DE models and non-mechanistic DE models. On 5/14/20 9:09 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > I am way out of my territory, here, but are “differential equasions” > necessarily “first principles”.  It seems to me that one could derive > differential equasions

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iday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Above I should have written "both/and is better than either/or". For clarity. Marc Raibert founded Boston Dynamics which was bought by Google. They're the peop

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Frank writes: “Marc and I did an experiment that involved solving differential equations (first principles) offline and storing the results in very large tables. In real time the walking machine fits curves (not first principles) to the tables to determine how to move a joint to achieve balanc

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: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Nah. I think you inferred too far. I read the sentiment simply as a call for balance in the relationship between first principles and opaque but predictive methods. I have to fight this fight all the time in my work. Even though my reputation

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Above I should have written "both/and is better than either/or". For clarity. Marc Raibert founded Boston Dynamics which was bought by Google. They're the people that develop the walking animals, etc that appear in so many videos. Marc and I did an experiment that involved solving differential

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Frank writes: “Which email has that parody of Trump attached to it? Very funny.” Suppose the work wasn’t done by a student but by an organization like a drug cartel or political action committee. To achieve the aims of such organizations it would need fidelity not explanatory power. Marcus

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Steve writes: “I *think* this discussion (or this subthread) has devolved to suggesting that predictive power is the only use of modeling (and simulation) whilst explanatory power is not (it is just drama?). “ First principles explanations start with some assumptions and reason forward. The

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Nah. I think you inferred too far. I read the sentiment simply as a call for balance in the relationship between first principles and opaque but predictive methods. I have to fight this fight all the time in my work. Even though my reputation (shambles that it is) is in mechanistic modeling (a t

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; - Steve > > > > > *From: *Friam on > behalf of "thompnicks...@gmail.com" > > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Date: *Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:40 PM > *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'

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*From: *Friam on behalf of > "thompnicks...@gmail.com" > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Date: *Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:40 PM > *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tor

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Ed writes: “One other comment. It used to be the case that in computer graphics if something looked OK that was sufficient. That’s no longer true. With the present computer power in GPUs, pretty every special effect you see in a movie is a physically-based simulation. Recent game engines come p

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ial > Williamsburg.Computer, just get me the equations and spare the drama. > > > > *From: *Friam on behalf of " > thompnicks...@gmail.com" > *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Wedne

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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube I understand your point but the fact remains that that visualization was based on a numerical model that was, in turn, based on first principles. I can confirm that with Greg Foss but I'm pretty sure it's true. B

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/ > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> > > > From: Friam On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:31 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube >

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up < > friam@redfish.com> > *Date: *Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:40 PM > *To: *'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube > > > > Old Philosop

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on behalf of "thompnicks...@gmail.com" Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:40 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Ol

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> pragmatism and the vernacular kind. > > > > Nick > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* F

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The fluid dynamics model used for that visualization is based on first principles. Many years ago Nick was trying to figure out how tornadoes develop. I told him I thought this was pretty well understood and I asked Droegemeier for a paper. He sent one which I forwarded to Nick. It was full of

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PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Nick writes: “The result looks so much like iconic tornado vids that we wannabee tornado chasers idolize that one suspects that the video was back constructed from that film, rather than developing organically from the physics.” Suppose t

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Group Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 8:31 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube The fluid dynamics model used for that visualization is based on first principles. Many years ago Nick was trying to figur

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even A Smith Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:17 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube some quads are not... think boomarang-like... I think there is a technical term for that class of quad... also think if a "bowtie", also

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Nick writes: “The result looks so much like iconic tornado vids that we wannabee tornado chasers idolize that one suspects that the video was back constructed from that film, rather than developing organically from the physics.” Suppose the equations were extracted, or the behavior re-generated

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ess.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> >> >> >> From: Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> >> On Behalf Of Angel Edward >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:40 PM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Compl

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gt;   > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Angel Edward > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:40 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube > >   > > Because triangles are convex

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d Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube With a few minutes of digging, the original video can be traced back to a simulation done by http://twister.ou.edu/ who has his publications here http://twister.ou.edu/vita.html#pubs. The video

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Edward Angel wrote: > Look at Donna Cox’s site at > NCSA http://avl.ncsa.illinois.edu/who-we-are/team/donna-cox-director > > She’s been doing tornado simulations for over 15 years. We worked with > her to put the simulation in planetarium dome. It’s much more > impressive when you put the viewer i

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nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Angel Edward Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Because triangles are convex they are guaranteed to be rendered correctly.

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d Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Dear Phellow Phriammers, Is this eyecandy, or should I take it seriously? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gQu

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k University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 6:00 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@re

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/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 6:00 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube Check out that WaPost article for

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gt;> >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:35 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Compl

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: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube I vaguely remember plot 3d. No one renders today the way it did. Cray was less than a PC with a decent graphics card. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor

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ailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On > Behalf Of Frank Wimberly > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:35 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <mailto:friam@redfish.com>> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube &

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> Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:35 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > fr

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Look at Donna Cox’s site at NCSA http://avl.ncsa.illinois.edu/who-we-are/team/donna-cox-director She’s been doing tornado simulations for over 15 years. We worked with her to put the simulation in planetarium dome. It’s much more

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alf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 3:35 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube You should take it seriously but I'm biased. I don't think PSC let's its supercomputers b

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Did you know it was a division of the larger Center? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, May 13, 2020, 3:37 PM Stephen Guerin wrote: > Eye candy in the good sense. > > Frank, have you heard of the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center? (DO

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I disagree completely. Right there in the description we see 2 layers of prestidigitation: "Numerically simulated" and "Visualized". Then when we click on the psc link, we get a 404 error. This is akin to a magician sawing a woman in half on stage. Unless you see the *numbers* (since it's "numer

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: [FRIAM] PSC Tornado Visualization (2008) [720p] - YouTube You should take it seriously but I'm biased. I don't think PSC let's its supercomputers be used for eye candy. They didn't when I worked there and they were accountable to NSF. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo

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Eye candy in the good sense. Frank, have you heard of the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center? (DOH you beat me) -S ___ stephen.gue...@simtable.com CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office:

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You should take it seriously but I'm biased. I don't think PSC let's its supercomputers be used for eye candy. They didn't when I worked there and they were accountable to NSF. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, May 13, 2020, 3:26 PM

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