Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-14 Thread Steve Smith
butting in here... Nick, Saying that the light is green is reporting an observation. Saying the light is in a green state is making a statement about the light as a mechanism. As I said, I think of the notion of state as identifying a collection of functionalities. So attributing a "green st

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-14 Thread Russ Abbott
...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Russ > Abbott > *Sent:* Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:03 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration. > > ** ** > > Never beaten over the head with “hypothetical c

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-14 Thread Nicholas Thompson
On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:03 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration. Never beaten over the head with "hypothetical construct" or "intervening variable". My notion o

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-14 Thread lrudolph
Nick, > I guess I would call this a functional state. Or perhaps a disposition. You could also (and equally well--or equally badly) use Lewin's phrase "the field at the present time". Or rather, since we do want to talk about existents that persist in time but may have different states a

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Sarbajit Roy
ck >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve >> Smith >> *Sent:* Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:47 PM >> >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Systems, State

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Russ Abbott
ilto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve > Smith > *Sent:* Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:47 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration. > > ** ** > > Nick - > > It would be di

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, Steve. Will ponder all of this. Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:47 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration. Nick - It would be

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:16 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration. I would characterize the notion of state in terms of the functiona

Re: [FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Russ Abbott
I would characterize the notion of state in terms of the functionality that the thing whose state we are talking about. Depending on its state, it is does and is capable of doing different things. This is different from thinking of state in terms of measurements. This sense of state is an abstract

[FRIAM] Systems, State, Recursion, Iteration.

2013-04-13 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - It would be difficult to explain this (Marcus' definition of iteration vs recursion) to you without teaching you several key computer science concepts which are not necessarily difficult but are very *specific*. The first step would be to answer your question of days ago about what a