Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con

Thanks everyone for tossing so many words at the issue. I'm less ignorant now. 8^) -- glen ⛧ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

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http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 2:48 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con A disagreement ma

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I think there more Pros than Cons, and the cultural & business advantage of equal trade laws across the 12 nations is likely to surpass any trade benefits. On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > A disagreement may be lurking here, if you assume that

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A disagreement may be lurking here, if you assume that wealth and capability are the same. Or even if you assume that they are highly correlated. Or even if you assume that the causal arrow is from capability to wealth. I’m making the distinction because in many situations wealth may well be

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sh.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 1:12 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con Do you mean rich or capable?The mean incomes between countries could become more similar, but that

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ct: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con Yeah, Owen, but …. . The problem is that when you go to equalize incomes between nations, the rich people in the poorer countries that are being equalized grab all the income and the poorer people in the rich countries take most of the hit, and income disparity with

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roup <friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con For an informed commentary: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/globalization-new-discontents-by-joseph-e--stiglitz-2016-08?utm_source=project-syndicate.org <https://www.project-syndicate.o

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Complexity Coffee Group' <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con Marcus, Your comment seems to contradict itself. Aren't the "underskilled" overlapping with those "lacking opportunity"? Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biol

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sh.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 12:47 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con Agreed. All the pundits liken it to immigration. Buying Chinese goods is equivalent to letting th

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Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 12:37 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con "Among the big losers - those who

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pensive, underskilled workforce? > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joe Spinden > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:15 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIA

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ay Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con > > For an informed commentary: > > https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/globalization- > new-discontents-by-joseph-e--stiglitz-2016-08?utm_sour

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an overly expensive, underskilled workforce? -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Joe Spinden Sent: Friday, August 05, 2016 10:15 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

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I like Joe's reference which ends with: The main message of Globalization and its Discontents was that the problem was not globalization, but how the process was being managed ​ This and the podcast referred to earlier agree that there are hugely important cultural & political issues. For both

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For an informed commentary: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/globalization-new-discontents-by-joseph-e--stiglitz-2016-08?utm_source=project-syndicate.org_medium=email_campaign=authnote -- Joe FRIAM Applied Complexity

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Thanks for sending that. The "right to earn a profit" thing was interesting. I think it's a necessary consequence that such a large agreement, one that pert near forces people to rely on 2nd, 3rd, nth hand interpetations, will exhibit/accrue its own mythos. And that's above and beyond the

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Listening to http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/08/04/election-2016-tpp-trade-nafta .. pretty diverse opinions. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

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Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt! 8^) I tend to think Sanders is best viewed as a storm trooper or, perhaps, an early adopter if you don't like the war metaphor, whereas Obama seems more like a 2nd round person. If that view works, then it should be obvious that they work best

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...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 4:25 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con I don't know what "deep answers" means. But my understanding is that if we allow China t

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:22 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con Owen writes: “Oddly enough, this is somewhat like Open Source and its Licensing. What's to prevent someone from forking your repo and making it their own? (Happened with

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I don't know what "deep answers" means. But my understanding is that if we allow China to dominate trade in the region, then we (may) lose seats at lots of negotiating tables. If we lead negotiations and have an excuse to stick our noses into every negotiation, then we retain more of both

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dfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] TPP pro and con Gillian asked: "Why not just work towards StarFleet and a large club of some sort? ... China might be really good at making underpants, but no clue how to make t-shirts, America might make pretty good T-shirts and no clue how to make

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Owen writes: “Oddly enough, this is somewhat like Open Source and its Licensing. What's to prevent someone from forking your repo and making it their own? (Happened with one of mine). But because the license was GPLv3, they weren't able to change the license and had to suffer some issues. It

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Gillian asked: "Why not just work towards StarFleet and a large club of some sort? ... China might be really good at making underpants, but no clue how to make t-shirts, America might make pretty good T-shirts and no clue how to make Sweaters. Canada (might) have make KFA pants." Two answers: 1)

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Skin in the game is a good approach. I think a goal should be to improve the ability for individuals to find sustainable but unique and interesting work and to create many different kinds of robust market where every player feels like they have skin in the game. Oddly enough, this is somewhat

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And as importantly with 100% transparency, such that there's hopefully good questions like: is (this thing here) doable and a good idea? On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > I had heard about that > > Can (seriusly) ask about (one of) the elephents

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innovation, that encourages exploitation and stagnation. Marcus -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ? Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 9:56 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: [FRIA

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I had heard about that Can (seriusly) ask about (one of) the elephents here? Why not just work twards StarFleet and a large club of some sort? such that Ireland and it's delightfull accent works with America, or China? (for example) Fore example: China might be reeally good at making underpants,

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The saying that TPP is giving away the most successful market in the world, us, leads me to caution. And the bureaucracy is likely to be as intense and intrusive as the Eurocrats that lead to the Brexit. Because the process was private, I'd vote no until it was more widely discussed and its

[FRIAM] TPP pro and con

https://ustr.gov/tpp/ https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp In the midst of a wide-ranging discussion with my intensely Christian neighbor who expects to vote for Trump, he explained his experiences as a missionary in some of the NAFTA countries where he claims to have seen the bad effect of the