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2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
enough to turn everyone's attention to value of self-critical thinking wouldn't it?!;-) Phil From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Abbott Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:06 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [

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2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
aving old scores alone, and prohibit new evidence? Phil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of glen e. p. ropella > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 2:26 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: R

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2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E It was a good rant, wasn't it... Since Steve saw fit to bring up "willful ignorance", and Marcus, Sarah Palin: what do you want to bet that McCain's creationist-the-world-is-6,000-years-old gu

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2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
ECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 10:52 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E Dale - I think you're being too generous. I'm afraid that many fall into a category I'

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2008-10-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
ls for it as a new horizon for of speedy (and maybe thoughtless) research. Phil > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marcus G. Daniels > Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 1:50 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

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2008-10-06 Thread Jack Leibowitz
Good.. Jack - Original Message - From: Orlando Leibovitz To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Willfull Ignorance - Satisfies NickCriteria E QUOTES Few people think more than two or three

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2008-10-05 Thread Russ Abbott
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:39 PM, glen e. p. ropella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > So the first step is for each individual to accept their responsibility > to think/speak critically at every opportunity. The next step is to > package such critical thinking inside an infectious wrapper so that > it

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2008-10-05 Thread Orlando Leibovitz
QUOTES Few people think more than two or three times a year; I have made an international reputation for myself by thinking once or twice a week. George Bernard Shaw If all the rich people in the world divided up their money among themselves there wouldn't be enough to go around. Christina S

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2008-10-05 Thread Douglas Roberts
Hope you took a laptop with you, Glen. This would make great pub fare: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:39 PM, glen e. p. ropella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > I'm off for a pint at the pub. > > -- > glen e. p. ropella,

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2008-10-05 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/05/2008 12:19 PM: > I'm afraid, as Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us." Excactly! So the first step is for each individual to accept their responsibility think/speak critically at every opportunity. The next step is to package such critical t

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2008-10-05 Thread Douglas Roberts
Excuse me? Mitigate willful ignorance? You must be new around here. ;-} I'm afraid, as Pogo once said, "We have met the enemy, and he is us." I suspect couple of hundred million years is what it's going to take to begin to "mitigate willful ignorance" on this particular ball of dirt. On Sun,

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2008-10-05 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Marcus G. Daniels circa 10/05/2008 12:07 PM: > glen e. p. ropella wrote: >> Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/05/2008 11:07 AM: >> >>> You want to talk about willful ignorance? Take a good look around you. >>> >> >> Exactly. The trick is: What can we do about it? >> > Hmm,

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2008-10-05 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
glen e. p. ropella wrote: Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/05/2008 11:07 AM: You want to talk about willful ignorance? Take a good look around you. Exactly. The trick is: What can we do about it? Hmm, Chelsea Clinton went to work for a hedge fund instead of going in to politi

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2008-10-05 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 10/05/2008 11:07 AM: > You want to talk about willful ignorance? Take a good look around you. Exactly. The trick is: What can we do about it? I have this problem with many of my friends. They're all quite bright (in my opinion). But there's an emergent patter

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2008-10-05 Thread Douglas Roberts
It was a good rant, wasn't it... Since Steve saw fit to bring up "willful ignorance", and Marcus, Sarah Palin: what do you want to bet that McCain's creationist-the-world-is-6,000-years-old gun-toting-I-can-see-Russia-from-my-window sidekick garners approximately 50% of the vote next month? As M

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2008-10-05 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Steve Smith wrote: The point of my talk of ignorance (willful and otherwise) is that to the extent we are complicit in our own problems, we *do* have the ability to retrieve some of our power from those we have given it to out of our own *willful ignorance*. Good rant. :-) I''ll only add th

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2008-10-05 Thread Steve Smith
Marcus wrote: If it is evolution at work, then perhaps the good cops and the bad cops are in some sense the good guys, and it is everyone else that is making the market (so to speak), inefficient. We certainly have our part in it. We deserve the "leaders" we have. Fool me once, shame on

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2008-10-05 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Steve Smith wrote: Yes, and it is not surprising that we would "evolve" personality types to fill this niche. [..] The closest thing I have to an answer (for myself) is to realize that anyone in power is by definition a salesman... they will say and do what it takes to get us to buy their prod

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2008-10-05 Thread Steve Smith
Dale - I think you're being too generous. I'm afraid that many fall into a category I'll call "Maliciously aware". "Willful Ignorance", in my vernacular is a dual of "Malicious Awareness".    Just as most good physical comedians and rodeo clowns have to be "really, really good, to be tha