Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 11:57 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

> > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Monday, Novem

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 4:35 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation Jochen, At a first pass I don't think I dis

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

self. IMHO language in written or spoken form is the key to > causation. > > Or would you disagree? As a psychologist you know better than me how the > mind works. > > -J. > > > ---- Original message > From: Eric Charles > Date: 10/30/20 13:5

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

ty Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation Come on man this shit isn't that hardFirst, you buy into a system of levels. Then something at a higher level causes something at a lower level. IF you really have a problem with it, it's because you think the &quo

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

ets > which everybody obeys have obviously a strong causal connection to everyone. > > -J. > > > Original message > From: thompnicks...@gmail.com > Date: 10/29/20 20:26 (GMT+01:00) > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' <

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

causal connection to everyone.-J.  Original message From: thompnicks...@gmail.com Date: 10/29/20 20:26 (GMT+01:00) To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: [FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation All,  Nobody seems to have the energy for a co

[FRIAM] Emergence and Downward Causation

All, Nobody seems to have the energy for a conversation about emergence right now, but if we were to, I would hope we would start with saying what we thought emergence is. My working definition comes from Wimsatt. He starts by defining aggregativity as a property of whole which is pret

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

Emergence in Nautilus http://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/emergence On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote: > > Emergence on Nautilus > > http://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/emergence > FRIAM Applied Complexity G

[FRIAM] Emergence

Emergence on Nautilus http://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/emergence FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-C

[FRIAM] Emergence of macroscopic directed motion in populations of motile colloids

So take a tub full of microscopic colloidal blobs, make the blobs roll around by applying an external electrical field, and you can get the whole mess to swarm. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v503/n7474/full/nature12673.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v503/n7474/full/503043a.html

Re: [FRIAM] emergence -- studies on "top down" limitations

tuation to which the question applies that you could describe to me? It might be easier to answer in the particular. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of peggy miller Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 11:12 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subje

[FRIAM] emergence -- studies on "top down" limitations

Since "top-down" impacts emergent behavior, have there been studies that take the same number and types of entities that are known to have emergent behavior of some predictable form -- like flock of set type of birds, and systematically change the "top" environment those entities exist in to study

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence paper

pplied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 2:47 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence paper Jochen, Do you really think it would have been published if it could be dismissed as easily as you suggest? -- Russ Abbott _ Professor, Comp

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence paper

essage - From: Russ Abbott > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:47 PM > Subject: [FRIAM] Emergence paper > > > My short paper, "Abstract Data Types and Constructive Emergence," has > finally appeared in the N

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence paper

. - Original Message - From: Russ Abbott To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: [FRIAM] Emergence paper My short paper, "Abstract Data Types and Constructive Emergence," has finally appeared in the Newsletter on Phil

[FRIAM] Emergence paper

My short paper, "Abstract Data Types and Constructive Emergence," has finally appeared in the *Newsletter on Philosophy and Computing* of the American Philosophical Association (Spring 2010 edition, pp 48-56). Among other things,

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence - a definition

I'll drink to that. On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > Finally! A definition of emergence. A formalism for almost all. 'Emergence' > is 33% Grenache Blanc, 29% Marsanne, 25% Viognier and 13% Roussanne and was > available from Trader Joes for about $7 a bottle. > Bon

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence - a definition

Somehow this reminds me of Harlen Ellison's *A Boy And His Dog*. "Well, I'd certainly say she had marvelous judgment, Albert, if not particularly good taste." --Doug On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Robert J. Cordingley < rob...@cirrillian.com> wrote: > Finally! A definition of emergence. A

[FRIAM] Emergence - a definition

Finally! A definition of emergence. A formalism for almost all. 'Emergence' is 33% Grenache Blanc, 29% Marsanne, 25% Viognier and 13% Roussanne and was available from Trader Joes for about $7 a bottle. Bonne santé! Robert C FRIAM

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

Stephen- I'm all ears. Russ#3 .-. . -.. ..-. .. ... -... .-.. ..- . ..-. .. ... On Jan 18, 2010, at 10:02 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > Hi Russell, > > A group of us here in Santa Fe have a strong interest in applications of > complexity to health care systems. We've worked on a few sm

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

I'd love to discuss this topic in more detail with anyone who is interested. It is currently a topic of my guest blog on www.cognitive-edge.com Since Flexner in 1910, we have followed a "Scientific Management" approach to medicine. Truth is, we had to, as there was so much quackery involved in

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Pamela McCorduck wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Miles Parker wrote: > > >> >> It was surprising to me to find the extent to which just basic traditional >> statistical techniques have not made it into health care practice until >> quite recently. Is it a

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

On Jan 19, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Miles Parker wrote: It was surprising to me to find the extent to which just basic traditional statistical techniques have not made it into health care practice until quite recently. Is it a stretch to imagine that part of the reluctance of doctors to embrac

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

And once you add in issues of outcomes, you automatically get into areas of practice, i.e. actual human bodies, which seems to have obviously emergent properties. It was surprising to me to find the extent to which just basic traditional statistical techniques have not made it into health care

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

Hi Russell, A group of us here in Santa Fe have a strong interest in applications of complexity to health care systems. We've worked on a few small exploratory projects looking at the mental health systems in Florida and California as well as health delivery for NHS in the UK. We are star

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] > [Original Message] > From: Russell Gonnering > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 1/18/2010 4:24:27 PM > Subject: [FRIAM] Emergence > > > I kno

[FRIAM] Emergence

I know I've come to the party late, but I was fascinated by Russ Abbott's essay in Complexity, 2006. CT has so much to give to the health care debate, and so few people interested in exploring it. Even ardent "complexionists" (?) sometimes deny health care as a CAS. Value in health care is a

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence X. Trying to wrap things up.

On those "the strength of a triangle", and "that triangleness causes strength" suppositions: Bosh. Balderdash. Bushwaw. Bull Puckee. Everybody knows that triangles are inherently unstable because eventually (and sooner rather than later), the injured party finds out about that third "leg", a

[FRIAM] Emergence X. Trying to wrap things up.

If I say that the strength of a triangle is due (in part, obviously) to the arrangement of its legs, have I "reduced" the the triangle's strength to the properties of its legs? Well, that depends on what one means by reduced. If by reduced, one means that only that one has made mention of t

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 09-10-06 11:39 PM: > In fact, it is not clear to me that Rosen's Life Itself was > not an attempt to create that very formalization. Have you ever looked at > Rosen I know you were talking to Owen (am I hijacking the thread, here?); but I'd like to say that

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

And, to add to the confusion, there is the question of brain states vs. measured brain states. Here's the Wired article about doing fMRI experiments on a dead salmon, and getting a result that could have been easily published if the subject had been a live human being: http://www.wired.com/wir

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

thology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > [Original Message] > From: Jim Gattiker > To: > Cc: Chip Garner ; Frank Wimberly ; maryl ; merle ; michel bloch ; nthompson ; Owen Densmore ; Roger E Critchlow Jr ; &

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

n Densmore > To: Nicholas Thompson > Cc: Jim Gattiker ; Frank Wimberly ; Roger E Critchlow Jr ; Chip Garner ; maryl ; nthompson > Date: 10/6/2009 4:06:46 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next? > > As much as I like

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > [Original Message] > From: Owen Densmore > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 10/6/2009 9:01:20 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

BTW: I believe this may be more in the line of Nick's statement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive-nomological_model Nick? -- Owen On Oct 6, 2009, at 8:51 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: The specific phrase I believe we are discussing is, on page 64: "The preceding considerations sugges

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

The specific phrase I believe we are discussing is, on page 64: "The preceding considerations suggest the following redefinition of emergence: The occurrence of a characteristic W in an object w is emergent relative to a theory T, a part relation Pt, and a class G of attributes if that occu

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

It's already there: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nomological Robert C Owen Densmore wrote: On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: But Hempel and Oppenheim are big on the deductiive nomological account of explanation. Could you clarify the above? .. and maybe

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: But Hempel and Oppenheim are big on the deductiive nomological account of explanation. Could you clarify the above? .. and maybe add "nomological" to the Nictionary? Thanks! -- Owen ==

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence of a New Online Museum

Gawd, you finally did it .. I'm moving all my feeds to Google Reader. I hope you're proud of your self! Humph. -- Owen On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:30 PM, Roger Critchlow wrote: Things you can do from here: Subscribe to Cosmic Variance using Google Reader Get started using Google Reader to e

[FRIAM] Emergence of a New Online Museum

Well, well, well, what do we have here. -- rec -- Sent to you by Roger via Google Reader: Emergence of a New Online Museum via Cosmic Variance by J

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

Group; nickthomp...@earthlink.net; Owen Densmore; Jim Gattiker; Frank Wimberly; Chip Garner; maryl; nthompson Sent: 10/5/2009 3:59:15 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next? What do they do about characteristics that don&#

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

; nthompson Sent: 10/5/2009 2:55:29 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next? Quoting Nick, For [Hempel and Oppenheim], a characteristic of on object is emergent relative to a theory and relative to a particular list of part attributes when

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 09-10-05 01:00 PM: > In our attempts to understand what is going on in this tangled literature, > we have come up with only one way to characterize the different views of > emergence that seems to endure more than a week: that is the > epistemological vs ontologi

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

;> >>> A personal note: those who tried to follow my ravings concerning Holt and >>> the New Realism this summer wont be surprized to hear me say that Dennett >>> is sounding awfully like a New Rea

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

>> >> See you Thursday at 4pm. >> >> Sorry for duplicate posting. >> >> N >> >> Nicholas S. Thompson >> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, >> Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompso

Re: [FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

) > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: glen e. p. ropella > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.co

[FRIAM] EMERGENCE SEMINAR V: Dennett et al; WAS: emergence seminar: what's next?

/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > [Original Message] > From: glen e. p. ropella > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 10/5/2009 9:38:53 AM > Subject: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next? > > > What's next on the reading list? >

Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next?

Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Sent:* 10/5/2009 10:30:35 AM > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next? > > Bit of a let down. Nick assigned Chapter 9, Daniel C Dennett, Real > Patterns, and Chapter 2, Carl Hempel and Paul Oppenheim, On the

Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next?

Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 10/5/2009 10:30:35 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next? Bit of a let down. Nick assigned Chapter 9, Daniel C Dennett, Real Patterns, and Chapter 2, Carl Hempel and Paul Oppenheim, On the Idea of Emergence. Dennett's article wa

Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next?

Bit of a let down. Nick assigned Chapter 9, Daniel C Dennett, Real Patterns, and Chapter 2, Carl Hempel and Paul Oppenheim, On the Idea of Emergence. Dennett's article was 25 pages originally, trimmed to 19 pages for the emergence collection, and I think they could have trimmed another 18.5 pages

Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next?

On Oct 5, 2009, at 9:36 AM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: What's next on the reading list? Next Week's readings are Oppenheim and Hempel and Dennett. Roger will present. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Frid

[FRIAM] emergence seminar: what's next?

What's next on the reading list? -- glen e. p. ropella, 971-222-9095, http://agent-based-modeling.com FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar IV: Bedau on "Weak" Emergence

Just so long as you do the readings, Michel! (;-}) Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ - Original Message - From: michel bloch To: nickthomp...@earthlink.

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar IV: Bedau on "Weak" Emergence

I am sorry not to have been more active with the reading group but my return trip (25 hours door to door from Santa Fe to Lancester Hotel House in the UK) added to the jetlag was difficult for me; in addition I had to take care of many details which were waiting for my return. I remotely follow you

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar IV: Bedau on "Weak" Emergence

This week's reading is Mark Bedau's "Downward Casaton and Autonomy in Weak Emergence" "Weak" emrgence, Bedau makes clear in a footnote, is the only emergence worth having. It stands betwqeen "nomical emergence" (emergence in name only), which arises because the terms by which tha whole is des

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Russ Abbott > *To: *nickthomp...@earthlink.net;The Friday Mornin

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

ckthompson/naturaldesigns/ - Original Message - From: Russ Abbott To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net;The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Cc: Russell Standish Sent: 9/27/2009 1:26:51 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle Why is it important

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

h us? > Wimsatt? Searle? > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, > Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesign

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

> > You wouldnt be the first Russ to say that I am getting my knickers > > unnecessarily twisted over this, but it does seem queer to me in > > someway. > > > > Um, well, maybe you are getting your knickers in a twist. I don't > really get your point

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

t your point, queer or no :(. > > > NIck > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, > > Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompso

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

ku.edu) > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: russell standish > > To: ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity > Coffee Group > > Date: 9/26/2009 8:35:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

gt; From: russell standish > To: ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 9/26/2009 8:35:52 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:50:53PM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > All, > > > &

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 07:50:53PM -0600, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > All, > > As you all may remember, I had decided on the basis of my first two > readings of Wimsatt, that his was the final word on the definition of > emergence: a property of a macro-entity is emergent when it depends on the >

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

All, As you all may remember, I had decided on the basis of my first two readings of Wimsatt, that his was the final word on the definition of emergence: a property of a macro-entity is emergent when it depends on the arrangement of the micro entities [in time and/or in space]. Unfortunately, I

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, IV; Bedau on weak emergence.

Owen Densmore wrote: [Note: the thread got broken so I'm deliberately starting a new one that hopefully keeps both its new thread ID header and its old subject line. Anyone not understanding thread breaking and thread highjacking can ask and I'd describe the technical details.] Yes, but can yo

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, IV; Bedau on weak emergence.

[Note: the thread got broken so I'm deliberately starting a new one that hopefully keeps both its new thread ID header and its old subject line. Anyone not understanding thread breaking and thread highjacking can ask and I'd describe the technical details.] I'd like to take the thread back

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, IV; Bedau on weak emergence.

Dear All, We had a good meeting, at least 8 of us, even tho we lost Michel, who went back to Paris. The first time it didnt actually RAIN duirng the meeting, so we were able to sit outside. For next week we will be reading the Mark Bedau chapter on weak emergence. I think I have already

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

n e. p. ropella > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 9/24/2009 7:04:51 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle > > Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 09/23/2009 08:33 PM: > > the third meeting of the emergence semin

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 09/23/2009 08:33 PM: > the third meeting of the emergence seminar is tomorrow at 4pm at DS. The > readings are Searle's REDUCTIONISM AND THE IRREDUCIBILITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS > and wimsatt's AGREGATIVITY: REDUCTIVE HEURISTICS FOR FINDING EMERGENCE both > from B

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar, III: Wimsatt and Searle

All, the third meeting of the emergence seminar is tomorrow at 4pm at DS. The readings are Searle's REDUCTIONISM AND THE IRREDUCIBILITY OF CONSCIOUSNESS and wimsatt's AGREGATIVITY: REDUCTIVE HEURISTICS FOR FINDING EMERGENCE both from Bedau and Humphreys, EMERGENCE. I think the chief chall

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, British Emergence

Maybe we should read Mill, the chapter on the composition of causes is only 5 pages: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/27942/27942-h/27942-h.html#toc53 -- rec -- On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > The seminar met this afternoon, now eight in number. > > I would like to

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, Searle and Wimsatt

Well, you already know my position on reducibility, namely that it's a mistaken quest. Everything -- other than whatever turns out to be primitive, if indeed anything turns out to be primitive -- is explainable. That is, we will eventually figure out how it is implemented. But implementation is gen

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, British Emergence

/2009 10:27:51 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, British Emergence It seems to me that "cause" is an extraordinarily slippery word. I'm involved with a group of people who are looking into "Causality in Complex Systems." One of the things I did while in

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, Searle and Wimsatt

All, For those who are following the seminar, we will read Searle (Reductionism and the Irreducibility of Consciousness) and Wimsatt (Aggregativity: Reductive Heuristics for Finding Emergence). I originally thought we would do only Searle, forgetting how short it was. We need to do more tha

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, British Emergence

It seems to me that "cause" is an extraordinarily slippery word. I'm involved with a group of people who are looking into "Causality in Complex Systems." One of the things I did while in Australia this summer was attend one or ou

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar II, British Emergence

The seminar met this afternoon, now eight in number. I would like to think that I were the sort of person who could summarize what we accomplished, but alas, I am not, so let me share what was accomplished for me. I hope others in the group will correct me, particularly any who are not in Sa

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > [Original Message] > From: russell standish > To: ; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 9/17/2009 1:37:04 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence > > Meaning is definitely there. From th

Re: [FRIAM] emergence seminar: {give me back my damned thread}

.. and if you'd like to talk and don't have the book, here's the chapter: http://backspaces.net/temp/BritEmergentism.pdf -- Owen On Sep 16, 2009, at 5:08 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: ... will meet at downtown subscription, thursday, at 4pm to discuss McLaughlin's Rise and Fall of Brit

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

, as we will see, the position of William Wimsatt, I think. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, > > > Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) > > > htt

[FRIAM] emergence seminar: {give me back my damned thread}

.. will meet at downtown subscription, thursday, at 4pm to discuss McLaughlin's Rise and Fall of British Emergentism. Anybody is welcome to sit in, but if you havent read the article, you cant talk for the first 45 minutes. n Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Etholog

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

aldesigns/> > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Russ Abbott > > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > > Sent: 9/14/2009 10:19:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence > >

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

n > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, > Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > > - Original Message - > From: Russ Abbott > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Cof

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 9/14/2009 10:19:10 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence Owen, Here's how I would start. I'm not scientist enough to know what 'configuration physics' or 'configuration chemistry' mean

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

Owen, Here's how I would start. I'm not scientist enough to know what 'configuration physics' or 'configuration chemistry' means. My guess is that it means something like a structured collection of matter where the structure itself is important. One of my friends likes to talk about that sort of

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > [Original Message] > From: russell standish > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Date: 9/15/2009 5:39:14 PM > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Semin

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

[This is an email I sent to the reading group. It's title was: Emergence, Chaos Envy, and Formalization of Complexity I think that, rather than worrying about the existing concepts of emergence, we would be far better off looking at the history of Chaos and how they achieved amazing results

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

>From the text below, it is apparent that British emergence is not the same beast as what we call emergence today. Those very "configurational forces" you mention are precisely what I mean by emergent phenomena, which is entirely consistent with how the term is used in the complex systems literatur

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

As I read it, the issue isn't whether structures and/or configurations are/aren't important, the question is whether they operate according to emergent or resultant rule sets. The Emergentists were betting heavily on the emergent rule set. They believed that the variety of chemistry couldn't poss

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

k.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ - Original Message - From: Russ Abbott To: nickthomp...@earthlink.net;The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Sent: 9/14/2009 5:39:16 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence That's the problem I have with taking histor

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

That's the problem I have with taking historical ideas seriously. Why should we care whether whatever the British Emergentists thought makes sense now? What we should care about is what does make sense now? Of course, as I mentioned to you (Nick) privately, my wife, who works in Early Modern Engl

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

All, I would like to appeal for some help from The List with the chapter we are reading this week in the Emergence Seminar. One of the central assertions of the author is that quantum mechanics put the British Emergentists out of business by making "configurational" forces seem unlikely. He

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

Dear Nick, So how did it go? I had to make a decision, and I wasn't sure of the time or place for emergence--so I spent the day at the inaugural national organizing meeting of the Slow Money Movement at the Santa Fe Farmers Market. It was---awesome! I have a deep interest in transformatio

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar--British Emergence

All, The emergence seminar met at Downtown Subscription this afternoon and survived a hailstorm, so I am feeling pretty perky about it. Next week, we will read The Rise and Fall of British Emergentism by Brian P. McLaughlin. British Emergentism is charming to read about.It is all so in

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar

9/2009 6:20:13 PM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar Since I won't be there, let me suggest a pre-requisite activity. Discuss why do you (or anyone else) want to define emergence? In saying that I'm not suggesting that emergence should not be defined -- although I now think that it

Re: [FRIAM] Emergence Seminar

Since I won't be there, let me suggest a pre-requisite activity. Discuss why do you (or anyone else) want to define emergence? In saying that I'm not suggesting that *emergence *should not be defined -- although I now think that it is unfortunate that the word has become so widely used. What I wa

[FRIAM] Emergence Seiminar ( O O O O P S !!!!!)

Sorry everybody: 4 pm, Garcia and ACEQUIA MADRE. Thanks Owen, Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/===

[FRIAM] Emergence Seminar

All, The emergence seminar, such as it is, will have its first meeting this thursday (tomorrow) at Downtown Subcription (which is at Garcia and Agua Fria). I suggest that we devote the seminar, at least in its early stages, to the collection, EMERGENCE. Why a collection? Why a seminar? Bec

Re: [FRIAM] emergence

pson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/> > > > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Russ Abbott > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > ;Roger Critchlow *Cc: *nickthomp...@earthlink.net > *Sent:* 9/

Re: [FRIAM] emergence

Complexity Coffee Group;Roger Critchlow Cc: nickthomp...@earthlink.net Sent: 9/8/2009 11:36:31 AM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] emergence I read that article a while ago, and my memory is similar. I think that basically Bedau doesn't understand what emergence means. But then he says as much. The poi

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