wrote:
My inclination would be to invest in standoff biometrics
(e.g. Eulerian Video Amplification) and then find the best
poker playing code. It ought to be possible to automate and
perhaps get rich in the process.
*From:*Friam *On Behalf Of*Eric
Charles
*Sent:*Sunda
Very interesting stuff Glen...
I'm not quite ready for going all "Rupert Sheldrake" on this subject but
I do appreciate that there is a lot of proper scientific work gesturing
more and more in this direction.
I'm wondering if you (or anyone else here) is familiar with Mae Wan Ho's
work on
The important thing is that there is still an enduring addiction.
From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 6:00 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Lol ok but also there are plenty of Casino's available
dowed by the social-engineering games of bluffing, etc. The very
>> simple game-theoretic aspect of not depleting your own stake before you
>> catch a "lucky streak" going your way was also a good understanding. I
>> played with my "boss" and a number of pee
ealized that
> it was more about jockeying for position at work and drinking beer than it
> was about winning/losing. I think the most I ever lost/won was on the
> order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2 shifts wages... a LOT
> if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood
. a LOT
> if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood! I still feel that
> *technically* playing well really means just playing less badly.
> Blackjack being even more obviously so?
>
>
> Yikes.
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> My inclina
; order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2 shifts wages... a LOT
>>> if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood! I still feel that
>>> *technically* playing well really means just playing less badly.
>>> Blackjack being even more obviousl
mber 8, 2021 2:53 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
On 11/8/21 9:51 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I suppose they could require players walk through a x-ray machine to find
neural implants.
Or a strong MRI to "rip them out" if they are conducting?
From: Friam &l
u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 8, 2021 9:23 AM
To:friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Thanks, Steve. A reminder the movie event is this
Thursday:https://watch.eventive.org/aware/play/615f2c9cfb31210037ecade7
And although these may be overvalued, they and ones like them are finally
21 8:43 AM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] lurking
You would be surprised at what casinos can ban. Maybe even more
surprised at the, not necessarily AI, software tools they use to
analyze video feeds and pounce on any kind of statistically
improbabilities. Most casinos in Vegas have t
e.g.
Eulerian Video Amplification) and then find the best poker playing
code. It ought to be possible to automate and perhaps get rich in
the process.
*From:*Friam <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>>*On Behalf Of*Eric Charles
*Sent:*Sunday, November 7, 2021 7:42 AM
*To:*The Friday
In my local Go club, I sit at just about average rank, fluctuating wildly
between 5 and 3 kyu. That said, there is a lot that is exciting for me
about Go and winning (as well as losing) at Go. Along the lines of
Steve's observation, there is an adage that another of our group likes
to recount
t
>> was about winning/losing. I think the most I ever lost/won was on the
>> order of $20-$40 which in those days was roughly 1-2 shifts wages... a LOT
>> if I joined them weekly... too rich for my blood! I still feel that
>> *technically* playing well really means just p
Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Thanks, Steve. A reminder the movie event is this Thursday:
https://watch.eventive.org/aware/play/615f2c9cfb31210037ecade7
And although these may be overvalued, they and ones like them are finally
showing some progress:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CMPS?p=CMPS&.tsrc=f
would be to invest in standoff biometrics (e.g. Eulerian
>>> Video Amplification) and then find the best poker playing code. It ought
>>> to be possible to automate and perhaps get rich in the process.
>>>
>>> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
>
Thanks, Steve. A reminder the movie event is this Thursday:
https://watch.eventive.org/aware/play/615f2c9cfb31210037ecade7
And although these may be overvalued, they and ones like them are finally
showing some progress:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CMPS?p=CMPS&.tsrc=fin-srch
course. Just as debugging any given problem can be
> > hard.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> > Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:20 PM
> > To: friam@redfish.com
> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
> >
> > Lite
:
>
> My inclination would be to invest in standoff biometrics (e.g. Eulerian
> Video Amplification) and then find the best poker playing code. It ought
> to be possible to automate and perhaps get rich in the process.
>
> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
> *Sent:* Sunday, Novemb
: Sunday, November 7, 2021 11:02 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
There must be some kind of “Back to the future” movie that can be made out of
this. Doyne Farmer in Vegas all over again, but with current-era AI in place
of toe-operated
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
I DID read all the thread so far... but I'm curious how we got to one of the
starting points: "as cringy as it may be for some dork to be proud of their
Poker prowess"
I am somewhat satisfied with my Poker
of how much control is afforded. Is
> it programmable in predictable ways?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 8:20 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> Yeah, I agree. But context is Qu
day, November 3, 2021 8:20 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Yeah, I agree. But context is Queen. When the virus is created in the lab, it's
done with real stuff distilled from the soupy world. Given enough of a
difference in context, the robot may not be able to re-constitute the l
Yeah, I agree. But context is Queen. When the virus is created in the lab, it's
done with real stuff distilled from the soupy world. Given enough of a
difference in context, the robot may not be able to re-constitute the life
because the soupy world surrounding the robot doesn't have the real
d with governing,
supposedly on behalf of the instances, and Musk can whatever values he has.
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From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:03 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Well, I could be wrong. But both Nick and EricC se
. Please see larding, below. Of course I may not
> understand my own motives.
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>
...@gmail.com
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
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From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:20 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Literal self-awareness is possible. The flaw in your argument is that "self"
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:20 PM
>> To: friam@redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>>
>> Literal self-awareness is possible. The flaw in your argument is tha
Just as debugging any given problem can be
>> hard.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
>> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:20 PM
>> To: friam@redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>>
>> Literal self-aw
> is rarely easy, of course. Just as debugging any given problem can be
> hard.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:20 PM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> Literal self-awareness is
r 1, 2021 3:20 PM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> Literal self-awareness is possible. The flaw in your argument is that "self"
> is ambiguous in the way you're using it. It's not ambiguous in the way me or
> Marcus intend it. You can see this ni
? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 3:20 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Literal self-awareness is possible. The flaw in your argument is that "self" is
ambiguous in the way you're using it. It's not ambiguous in the way me or
Marcus intend it. You can see this
Literal self-awareness is possible. The flaw in your argument is that "self" is
ambiguous in the way you're using it. It's not ambiguous in the way me or
Marcus intend it. You can see this nicely if you elide "know" from your
argument. We know nothing. The machine knows nothing. Just don't use
ning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
On Linux we have /dev/mem, for example. There can be physical temperature
sensors, etc. and those are `situated’, but provided there is some protection
from environmental swings and cosmic rays, the performance of the machine is
...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 2:08 PM
To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
At the risk of thread bending:
And there's no reason a machine can't be self-aware.
Absolutely, I disagree. In fact, strictly speaking, I think literal
self
r 1, 2021 2:26 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
I like the impredicative definition of conscious agent. Self-attention is the
root of it. And there's no reason a machine can't be self-aware.
But I don't think we're talking *generally* about optimization, here. I
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From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Excellent! I agree completely. When behavior like Blue Sky thinking is
encouraged ... rewarded, even ... you end up with Blue Sky thinkers unaware of
at scale?
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Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Excellent! I agree completely. When behavior like Blue Sky thinking is
encouraged ... rewarded, even ... you end up with Blue Sky thin
Agree
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From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:26 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
I like the impredicative definition of conscious agent. Self-attention is the
root of it. And there's no reason a machine can't be s
a person like Harari would think machines couldn't
> do that. Perhaps all he is saying is that machines haven't yet been allowed
> to self-organize at scale?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Excellent! I agree completely. When behavior like Blue Sky thinking is
encouraged ... rewarded, even ... you end up with Blue Sky thinkers unaware of
their own ignorance. I watched both these vids during my workout this morning:
"Why i
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From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 11:19 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Well, I think you're using the word wrong. Gaming bicycle riding could be
racing. But it could also be, say, jousting ... or doing tricks like stoppies,
into the talk.
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Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Excellent! I agree completely. When behavior like Blue Sky thinking is
encouraged ... rewarded, even ... you end up with Blue Sky think
er review seems like gaming, for better or worse.
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:49 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> Excellent! I agree completely. When behavior like Blue Sky thinking i
exercise.
Peer review seems like gaming, for better or worse.
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Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:49 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Excellent! I agree completely. When behavior like Blue Sky thinking is
encoura
people in the face of ambiguity. It is amazing to me how people will sit
> quietly while they pat themselves on the back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 9:56 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [F
ing people
in the face of ambiguity. It is amazing to me how people will sit quietly
while they pat themselves on the back.
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From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 9:56 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Right. But by cit
action. They work in the world of
> extrinsic motivation rather than intrinsic motivation.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:27 AM
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
>
> Ouch. You
r 1, 2021 8:27 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] lurking
Ouch. Your retort certainly wins the game, eh? Congrats on winning.
But if you'd take a minute away from vampire bone-picking, you'd find space to
agree that nobody swims in septic tanks. So your retort is nothing more t
Ouch. Your retort certainly wins the game, eh? Congrats on winning.
But if you'd take a minute away from vampire bone-picking, you'd find space to
agree that nobody swims in septic tanks. So your retort is nothing more than
hyperbolic nonsense. If we make it more true, more real, we can say
Glen writes:
< or as cringy as it may be for some dork to be proud of their Poker prowess,
this is the world.>
Septic tanks are part of the world too, but that doesn’t mean I enjoy swimming
in them.
On Nov 1, 2021, at 7:20 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote:
Holy fire hose, Batman!
I'm too ignorant
Holy fire hose, Batman!
I'm too ignorant and incompetent to adequately synthesize last weekend's blast
of fecundity. But I did spot a thread (tapestry?) that I'd like to highlight.
I'm going to list *my* bullets first. Then I'll try to decorate it with text.
• gaming & play
- not infinite
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