Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god On 01/08/2015 03:49 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Or that they are mentally ill and need `retraining'. But that takes us down the road of recognizing the danger latent in faith, which I don't think the US is close to doing. Exactly

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread glen
On 01/08/2015 03:49 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: Or that they are mentally ill and need `retraining'. But that takes us down the road of recognizing the danger latent in faith, which I don't think the US is close to doing. Exactly ... though it goes beyond just faith to any sort of

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread glen
Re: clique preservation, I keep finding myself wondering if we're shooting ourselves in the foot calling these acts terrorism and the actors terrorists. It seems to me these are just criminals. If you buy the Dawkins/Harris/Maher line about Islam being more violent than other religions,

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:17 -0800, glen wrote: If the US were really more focused on integration, then wouldn't we treat people like this as criminals and not terrorists? Or that they are mentally ill and need `retraining'. But that takes us down the road of recognizing the danger latent in

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Glen writes: (¬Falsifiable ↛ false) (fantasy ≢ counterfactual) On Thu, 2015-01-08 at 15:47 -0600, Vladimyr Burachynsky wrote: Time, trial and error improves the operation of delusions. [..] So the ultimate goal of terrorism is not to kill all of it's critics but to make as many as possible

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god And the skeptical response: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/can-science-prove-the-existence- of-god-b6fefdc52588 Do you want or need your belief in a divine or supernatural origin to the Universe to be based in something that could

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-08 Thread Owen Densmore
The big issue Europe, and France in particular faces, is multiculturalism vs cultural integration. The US is structured to favor the latter. Europe the former. The co-existence approach (multiculturalism) can in the worst of cases lead to ghettos and isolation, leading to anger and hate. I have

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-07 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
And the skeptical response: https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/can-science-prove-the-existence-of-god-b6fefdc52588 Do you want or need your belief in a divine or supernatural origin to the Universe to be based in something that could be scientifically disproven? And so believers who

Re: [FRIAM] Slasdhot linked article RE; god

2015-01-07 Thread glen
On 01/07/2015 12:22 PM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: And so believers who avoid this trap must construct an origins story which cannot be falsifiable. It must be fantasy. (¬Falsifiable ↛ false) (fantasy ≢ counterfactual) -- ⇔ glen