Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-13 Thread ┣glen┫
I absolutely loathe the meme metaphor. I don't usually agree with Nick's distinction between metaphor and analogy. 8^) But here, I claim the meme isn't *anything* like a gene... or more clearly, there is no idea/thought construct that is anything like a gene. To explain why I hate it so

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-13 Thread gepr ⛧
Well like I said in response to Frank's suggestion about self psychology, I tend towards a Szaszian perspective on talk therapy and psychology. But even that constellation of ideas, I think, has more structural truth to it than memetics. Of course my ignorance may be getting in my way here. So

[FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

2017-08-13 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - I'm definitely not the one to educate you (or anyone) on this. Following your allusion to Szaszian anti-psychology, what I'm seeking is common ground on whether there is even a valid question which the ideas of cultural evolution and more pointedly, memetics purports to answer (or

[FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

2017-08-13 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - Ha! You see? That's not even wrong. 8^) But it's more plausible than asserting that my ideas are mutated and crossed over from ... yours ... or Szasz' ... or my mom's, for example. What I'm trying to tickle apart here is what we do with the very idea that you might have a

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-13 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - I absolutely loathe the meme metaphor. I do agree that it has been overused and overpopularized. I don't usually agree with Nick's distinction between metaphor and analogy. 8^) But here, I claim the meme isn't *anything* like a gene... or more clearly, there is no idea/thought

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-13 Thread gepr ⛧
Ha! You see? That's not even wrong. 8^) But it's more plausible than asserting that my ideas are mutated and crossed over from ... yours ... or Szasz' ... or my mom's, for example. On August 13, 2017 11:22:21 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: >You are a typical

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

2017-08-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "It took a really long time, which is one of my reasons for rejecting memetics. If ideas were real, then they could change instantaneously." Every day I form hypotheses about how I think this or that experiment or code modification will go, and often I have to confront contrary

Re: [FRIAM] random v stochastic v indeterminate

2017-08-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
"To explain why I hate it so much, we can try to think deeply about the nazi that killed the antifa yesterday in Charlottesville and Trump's response to it (blaming all sides)." This side must have been terribly

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

2017-08-13 Thread ┣glen┫
I'm not a scholar, but I don't really think Szasz was anti-psychology, per se. He was a long-time member of the psychicatric association and all that jazz. But he pulled no punches when policing his community ... something we all should do more of ... moderate muslims bear the responsibility

Re: [FRIAM] the Skeptical Meme

2017-08-13 Thread gepr ⛧
On August 13, 2017 4:39:47 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >Every day I form hypotheses about how I think this or that experiment >or code modification will go, and often I have to confront contrary >evidence. I would say I have a pretty fast turnover of ideas. I doubt