Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Stephen Guerin
paper efficient when digits are less than 3. Work out 898 * 879 with lines and compare to traditional method. ___ stephen.gue...@simtable.com CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 office:

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Gary Schiltz
Cool, I'll have to look into that in my spare time. Looks a lot more "paper space" efficient and less error prone than what most of us grew up with. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 10:03 AM Tom Johnson wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/637328420/posts/10156877698343421/ >

[FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Tom Johnson
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Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread David Eric Smith
Don’t know if it is redundant with material somewhere in this post already, but someone I have met who works in this space (mathematics and quantitative social science of gerrymandering) is Wendy K. Tam Cho at UIUC. http://cho.pol.illinois.edu/wendy/ I found

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, everybody. FiveThirtyEight had a five part series on Gerrymandering over the summer which was fascinating. The take-home for me was that the notion – implicit in the gerrymandering conversation – that it would be easy for reasonable people to design fair districts – is insane. In

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Nick Thompson
Oh, I absolutely agree that we could design districts to maximize any variable we wanted. And with a little luck, we might maximize a couple, or even three. But inevitably, we will encounter some variable that is negatively correlated with those we already maximize, so even we philosopher

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Nick Thompson
Interesting, Tom, What utility do you imagine is being maximized in your plan? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
I think you are combining two topics that aren’t related, and I don’t want to play whack-a-mole between them. The first topic is how to perform the multi-objective optimization given quantifiable properties of voters, and how to weight those properties. The second is how (and whether) to

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
"Real" and "real math" are two different things. My definition of real math is exposition of the form "definition, theorem, proof". When you figure out what "real" means, let me know. Frank --- Frank Wimberly My memoir:

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
How arrogant of me! --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, 5:52 PM Prof David West I have a couple of

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Tom Johnson
First, we would have to agree on whether there will be objectives related to the demography of any district? I prefer only counting the number of current population 18 and over. Or some would argue for the total population of any age. But given either choice, there will be serious suggestions

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Nick Thompson
What! How could any mathematics not be REAL! FRANK! Defend yourself! NIck Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Prof David West
I have a couple of books on "Vedic Math" - a large set of techniques for how to calculate. This technique was among them. Showed the books to Frank once, he was not impressed, "not real mathematics." davew On Sat, Nov 3, 2018, at 9:02 AM, Tom Johnson wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: “I don’t mean to say that “fair districts” aren’t possible. I just mean to say that I, as your philosopher-king, could not design them.” Wasn’t there a recent effort by the MIT Sloan school to redesign the school bus routes in Boston? They managed to reduce the cost and time of

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread barry . mackichan
This way of multiplying is isomorphic to what I learned in third grade. Multiply these numbers as you were taught. If your numbers have n and m digits, below the line in the multiplication there will be n m-digit numbers. (Ignoring carries for the sake of exposition), each of those n by m

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Frank Wimberly
Some applied math is real math by my definition as is some CS. Jon, Hywel and I were reading Schutz on general relativity. It was close to being "real math" but I was quite frustrated. He talks a good deal about the metric tensor but never really defines it. As far as I can see it's neither a

Re: [FRIAM] This is how the Japanese multiply. (Math, not biology)

2018-11-03 Thread Nick Thompson
Yeah. I am not on my “Real” kick today. “real” is good enough for me. “real” in the sense of honorable, respectable, normative, proper, honest, genuine, true to itself, etc. But on your definition, applied math wouldn’t be “real”, right? CS wouldn’t be real math, either. To me, math is

Re: [FRIAM] gerrymandering algorithm question

2018-11-03 Thread Marcus Daniels
Consider a network where the nodes represent individual membership in a district and the edges connect any two individuals that could possibly be considered as being in the same area. An edge has a weight of -1 if the neighbors are in opposing political parties and 1 if they are the same. A