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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design
Thanks, Eric!
Eric writes:
I think of the two (principle of least action (PoLA) and natural selection
(NS)) in completely decoupled th
It seems to me you're still directly on topic. Nick's emphasis on hierarchy
leads directly to (forgive me, here) the *flatness* or flattenability of
dynamical systems equations versus whatever units multi-level selection might
operate over.
It's probably just another fit of apophenia. But I
Hi Steve,
Of course, my first rule is that people should do whatever they want as long as
it doesn’t hurt anybody else, so far be it from me to pass judgment on anyone’s
choice of ways to scope words. That can be guided by what you want the
conversation to do in which you use them. That
Thanks, Eric!
Eric writes:
> I think of the two (principle of least action (PoLA) and natural selection
> (NS)) in completely decoupled thoughts.
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Yes, but can they both be understood as "selection" principles?
with PoLA as a "selection principle" in this sense:
The principle of least action
Steve, hi,
> As we've discussed over the last few years, The Action Principle (energy *
> time) and least (stationary) action may provide a more fundamental selection
> principle in biology than natural selection and could be a mathematical
> formulation you're asking for. Many applied
Thanks Glen,
I will look into "Anticipatory Systems".--John
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FWIW, "Life Itself" is inadequate
FWIW, "Life Itself" is inadequate for me to read Rosen with any sympathy. I
would also recommend a copy of Anticipatory Systems. E.g. o, Rosen seems to
cite [†] this from von Neumann [‡]:
>> All these are very crude steps in the direction of a systematic theory of
>> automata. They
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Subject: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design
Dear Frank, Jon, Eric, and anybody else,
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Eric,
Thanks for forwarding Bob Shaw's work to the list. I had the honor of
sharing a few pints with Bob at "Sweet Williams" Pub, in Michael Turvey's
and Claudio Carello's basement :-)
Nick, check out the video Eric linked to and then maybe this paper:
"Hints of Intelligence From First
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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2018 12:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Formalizing the concept of design
Bob Shaw has spend a good chunk of his career trying to do this at what I would
call a "lower level of analysis" even t
] Formalizing the concept of design
This description suffers from the same criticism I made before: you're assuming
a *strict* hierarchy, where the higher order can only operate over whole
components from the lower order. I.e. the gun's algorithm 1st chooses the
type/medium of target (ballistic, air
Bob Shaw has spend a good chunk of his career trying to do this at what I
would call a "lower level of analysis" even though that might not be the
right term. His "intentional dynamics" are about trying to use
dynamic-systems math to try to say what "intentionality" looks like in the
topology of
This description suffers from the same criticism I made before: you're assuming
a *strict* hierarchy, where the higher order can only operate over whole
components from the lower order. I.e. the gun's algorithm 1st chooses the
type/medium of target (ballistic, air, water), then uses that type
Dear Frank, Jon, Eric, and anybody else,
OK. Let me be blunt. I wish that the mathematically inclined among you would
help me. As I have told you all before, my brother was a mathematician and I
got one of his two math genes, which was enough to give me vague mathematical
intuitions but
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