Re: [FRIAM] Ongoing cell-phone threads, esp T-Mobile

2011-08-03 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Hi Owen, I have both CDMA GSM, and I can travel throughout my country and roam seamlessly (but not interoperatorably) at under 1 cent per minute. I dont have to change my operators in almost 90% of the country. At any well covered location my (GSM) handset can usually detect about 5 or 6

Re: [FRIAM] Ongoing cell-phone threads, esp T-Mobile

2011-08-02 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Hi I'm hugely amazed by your post. Being involved in telecom regulatory matters (as a citizen stakeholder) in my country. I'm surprised that consumers in yours tolerate such nonsense. Just to provide some reference points In India: The average postpaid mobile commitment cost is about US$3 per

Re: [FRIAM] Ongoing cell-phone threads, esp T-Mobile

2011-08-02 Thread Owen Densmore
But you have to understand several things to understand why most americans understand very little about celular telecom: 1 - Probably 80% of Friam does not understand the difference between GSM and CDMA, the two major celular protocols in the US. And that they do not interoperate. I've

Re: [FRIAM] Ongoing cell-phone threads, esp T-Mobile

2011-08-02 Thread Owen Densmore
BTW Sarbajit, you are a gmail user. Could you enumerate the difficulties, even immoralities, that entails? We have to be careful what we consider free. -- Owen FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at

Re: [FRIAM] Ongoing cell-phone threads, esp T-Mobile

2011-08-02 Thread Edward Angel
Owen, You should also mention that 1. Even if you have a GSM phone, unless you either pay a high price for an unlocked phone, have a Blackberry or are aware of the issue and find out how to unlock your phone, you are in danger of being hit with enormous roaming charges when you go to another

Re: [FRIAM] Ongoing cell-phone threads, esp T-Mobile

2011-08-02 Thread Owen Densmore
Ouch! I realize that sounds harsh. Let me be clearer. Gmail is very sophisticated. And with cleaver plugins, you can make it less noisy and have a UI you'd prefer (See Minimalist for Gmail http://goo.gl/gSAi4). But it is not IMAP or POP. This means 100% of new users of gmail haven't a clue