Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "But some conception of interruptibility or parallelism seems necessary also. If a UTM couldn't stop, mid-algorithm, to work on some other problem, then perhaps death is still needed?" Humans have minimal short term memory, but an extended UTM could yield any number of

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
On 10/30/2017 12:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Odd that some conservatives give embedded worth to lives that have > demonstrated none yet (pro-lifers), and change the rules as life progresses. > Why the act of faith in the first place? Why no conservatives advocating > one-child-per-family,

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
< Our universality depends fundamentally on babies. In order for progress to be made, the old farts, with all their outdated ideas, must die so the young turds can do things their way. Sure, we want to keep the old farts around and exploit them as best we can. But at some point, those

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Roger writes: “It seems that this sort of dead code, undead code, zombie code problem is fairly ubiquitous in information processing systems. No matter whose system, there are always things around that don't go away because nobody cared to do anything about them. They always need a clean

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Hm. I suppose we could think of a UTM in the same way we think of an ANN. A large enough ANN becomes a look up table. A UTM could be conceived (simply?) as some sort of an index for all the algorithms (possible or real). Rather than extending out in time (complicated, infinitely extensible

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Roger Critchlow
There's a funny post on Bunnie's blog today ( https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5018) about learning to use LiteX in place of Vivado for FPGA design. It's because Vivado wastes FPGA footprint by rolling in circuits you don't need, because Vivado is given away for free by Xilinx who would love

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Steven A Smith
That was a lot, forcing me to cherry-pick. 8^) I disagree with the *fairly* quickly part. The time scales being traversed are huge, as you point out. When you make the argument that death happens fairly abruptly you bias that comment towards a few scales, namely the ones related to

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Steven A Smith
I'm wondering if pupating isn't more relevant to the topic than moulting? As for molting, I was surprised to learn that lobsters (and other decapods?) appear to avoid/eschew cellular senescence...  and their apparent increase in sexual reproductivity with age...   death seems to come (if not

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Steve writes: < Of course, the confines of a career in (big) academia or government or industry can provide a narrowing, as can the conveniences of modern (professional) living where one needn't repair their own vehicles (flat tire? call AAA! oil change light? Stop at Jiffy Lube!) or grow their

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Steven A Smith
Roger writes: “It seems that this sort of dead code, undead code, zombie code problem is fairly ubiquitous in information processing systems.  No matter whose system, there are always things around that don't go away because nobody cared to do anything about them.  They always need a

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: "The trick is, as you point out, we don't need so many from the same gene pool(s)! Again, perhaps my Bastard status biases me. The (socialist?) idea that we all end up rearing the kids the breeders produce was built in from the start. What we need are large incentives to steer

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2017-10-30 Thread George Duncan
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2017-10-30 Thread Tom Johnson
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Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Good question. But I tend to think the problem is less about plasticity and more about specialization. As we've seen, specialized (artificial) intelligence is relatively easy, compare termites to humans. So-called general intelligence (or universal constructors) is much harder. The distance

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
Molting is a fantastic metaphor. But do we have any species to look to that molts for greater generality instead of greater specialty? I suppose we could argue that some species jump from one specialty to another via molting. But that passes the buck to some set of processes that hold the

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
My actual question is more like: Is death universal or is a finite lifetime just a sufficient solution found by evolution (and carbon-based life)? Must memories be purged for progress, or is it just that that they _can_ be without particular harm to the species? There was a piece on 60

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
"But I think what it, ultimately devolves to is that humans come very close to universal constructors. With the reflective layers of brain and opposable thumbs, we can do almost anything ... with the right resources, right context, etc." I'm looking forward to AI companies succeeding at

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
I used to argue with my parents (a lot) about whether or not humans were different from animals, mostly because my mom claimed animals don't have souls. She's right, of course, because nobody has souls. 8^) But I think what it, ultimately devolves to is that humans come very close to universal

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread gⅼеɳ ☣
That was a lot, forcing me to cherry-pick. 8^) I disagree with the *fairly* quickly part. The time scales being traversed are huge, as you point out. When you make the argument that death happens fairly abruptly you bias that comment towards a few scales, namely the ones related to

Re: [FRIAM] death

2017-10-30 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: Odd that some conservatives give embedded worth to lives that have demonstrated none yet (pro-lifers), and change the rules as life progresses. Why the act of faith in the first place? Why no conservatives advocating one-child-per-family, or income requirements for