Re: [fricas-devel] $saturn

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Baker
On 01/04/14 23:58, Ralf Hemmecke wrote: There is a variable $saturn. And the word saturn appears quite a lot in fricas. Does anyone know its meaning and perhaps some history of it? Ralf In bookvol5.pamphlet it says: The [[*features*]] variable from common lisp is tested for the presence of

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Baker
On 02/04/14 02:37, Bill Page wrote: On 1 April 2014 21:17, Waldek Hebisch hebi...@math.uni.wroc.pl wrote: ... In FriCAS you are not supposed to mix documentation and code. If your documentation is usable from HyperDoc then it should go into src/doc/ht or src/doc/htex. Otherwise doc is a good

Re: [fricas-devel] $saturn

2014-04-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
TechExplorer Saturn Aha! Looking at mathprint x == x := outputTran x $saturn = texFormat1 x maprin x a connection with TechExplorer was already my suspicion, but I didn't know that it was named Saturn. What makes Saturn output in any way special in contrast to all the other

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Baker
On 02/04/14 07:54, Martin Baker wrote: On 02/04/14 02:37, Bill Page wrote: I agree with you about going back to the original spad files but not about going to hypertext. As far as I can see hypertext is an old fashioned interface, in a small window on the screen, which I never use because it

Re: [fricas-devel] $saturn

2014-04-02 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Ralf Hemmecke wrote: What makes Saturn output in any way special in contrast to all the other formatters? AFAIK Saturn was intended to be _interactive_ rich interface. This means some extra annotations in the output which are not needed without interaction. Is there any reason to keep all

Re: [fricas-devel] $saturn

2014-04-02 Thread Bill Page
On 2 April 2014 09:15, Waldek Hebisch hebi...@math.uni.wroc.pl wrote: ... Concerning keeping it: Saturn code caused little trouble, so to the moment keeping it less effort than removing it. Also, it could be good starting point for rich interface. Texmacs folks prefered Scheme for

Re: [fricas-devel] $saturn

2014-04-02 Thread Bill Page
On 2 April 2014 09:15, Waldek Hebisch hebi...@math.uni.wroc.pl wrote: ... Texmacs folks prefered Scheme for cominitaction, but according to what Andrey Grozin wrote we could also use tex/latex. Given that retargeting Saturn code to talk to Texmacs makes sense and probably would require less

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Martin Baker wrote: I agree with you about going back to the original spad files but not about going to hypertext. As far as I can see hypertext is an old fashioned interface, in a small window on the screen, which I never use because it crashes too often. Its also very hard to contribute

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
On 04/02/2014 06:45 PM, Waldek Hebisch wrote: In Internet era you never can be sure where the information is. Of course, there are reliable and rich sources. But a lot is spread out in various obscure places. That's certainly true. Nevertheless it makes sense to encourage people to transform

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Martin Baker
On 02/04/14 17:45, Waldek Hebisch wrote: Martin Baker wrote: If you can crash HyperDoc, please report. ATM I know one way of crashing HyperDoc, namely if you give complicated parameters to a type and request info about implementations (I am working on a fix for this). If you have any other way

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Waldek Hebisch
Bill Page wrote: On 2 April 2014 13:24, Martin Baker ax87...@martinb.com wrote: On 02/04/14 17:45, Waldek Hebisch wrote: ... I expect others may see different results, perhaps it will work on other peoples computer. I get this by going to: topics - graphics - new framework -

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Ralf Hemmecke
I guess that is the recent change that you mentioned? git log -1 $(git blame configure.ac|grep MAYBE|awk '{print $1}'|head -1) commit 79efcc76f6b57f3fabe7366f1e86526d7a5dea72 Author: Ralf Hemmecke r...@hemmecke.org Date: Tue Jul 9 20:52:43 2013 + re-establish HyperDoc content from

Re: [fricas-devel] changing algebra without revuilding the ht stuff

2014-04-02 Thread Bill Page
On 2014-04-02 7:08 PM, Ralf Hemmecke r...@hemmecke.org wrote: ... that the over all design of HyperDoc kind of sucks. Well, yes, but unless we have something better... Just complaining doesn't help. Everyone is invited to improve or replace HyperDoc by something more modern. I was not so