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Jamie C. Pole wrote:
I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is
most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point -
the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the moni
Hello,
Jamie C. Pole wrote:
Given the history of terrorist activity in Germany, I'm really
surprised that you feel the way you do - your government is benefitting
from the intelligence that is being gathered as well. Thankfully, Ms.
Merkel seems to understand that.
Which is why I'm glad
helo jamie,
Sorry mate, you are no veteran, you have bought into the shit you
government feeds you.
people *have* rights they dont *earn* them cuntie
well done you. just think you could have died for nothing - you put
your whole existence on the line based on lies and rhetoric. have a
prize - t
Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recent
events.(fwd)
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
>
> Well, for one thing, I am a veteran, and have EARNED these rights that you
> liberal whiners take for granted. When you believe in something enough to
> die for it
"Jamie C. Pole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
> While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is
> most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point -
> the same liberal whiners that are compl
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
Well, for one thing, I am a veteran, and have EARNED these rights that you
liberal whiners take for granted. When you believe in something enough to
die for it, come back and talk to me.
I'm a veteran as well. 6 years in the US Navy: 1987 through 1
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> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial
> about recent events.(fwd)
>
> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:07:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> > This is very nice, but obviously you were not standing in
> the dust of the WTC
>
On 12/18/05, Jamie C. Pole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as the rest of your point, I actually agree with you. I see
> no reason why the government needs to know which books you are
> reading, and I don't believe the government should know how long you
> are talking to your "psychic-phone-se
I don't see how that can be the case - 90% of the time, I am in these
foreign countries at the request of their government. I am in an
excellent position to make such comparisons.
I like Spain (and Russia, and Singapore) very much, but at the same
time, shouldn't a Spaniard be concerned
Hey Jamie,
perhaps it is true that you have lived in 24 countries, but saying that
Spain is worse than US, or simply compare Spain to Singapore or Russia
in terms of "democracy" denotes a total lack of information about
anything that is outside the US.
On dom, 2005-12-18 at 22:55 -0600, Jamie C. P
I'm not at all scared.
As far as the rest of your point, I actually agree with you. I see
no reason why the government needs to know which books you are
reading, and I don't believe the government should know how long you
are talking to your "psychic-phone-sex" operator in London (I would
On 12/18/05, Jamie C. Pole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, some of the more recent ones were as follows:
>
> 1) Singapore,
> 2) Russia,
> 3) Spain,
Agreed, and point taken; those are probably worse than the states, but
at least they admit to their evil, we hide ours behind "protection".
Still
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
> I'm not a blind apologist that is willing to defend everything that
> has been done,
Um, excuse me - but that is *exactly* what you just did.
> but if you want to go down that road, Germany is not
> entirely innocent of human rights violations.
We're
Well, some of the more recent ones were as follows:
1) Singapore, where the Immigration card has "Drug Traffickers will
be put to death" in big red letters on the back. When I was there,
possession of chewing gum was also illegal, and categorized as a
controlled substance. By the way, yo
p.s.: I know this has nothing to do with infosec, But J.A. is right
about something, its better noise than you-know-who
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> Well, for one thing, I am a veteran, and have EARNED these rights
> that you liberal whiners take for granted. When you believe in
> something enough to die for it, come back and talk to me.
Lemme guess: You "defended my freedom" by going to 'nam? Beause if you
hadnt, the viet-cong would have
On 12/18/05, Jamie C. Pole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
Just cause you are scared, doesnt mean you need trounce on my
liberties in a vain attempt to protect yourself. You arent even
protecting yourself: just cause GWB knows what bo
our modern times.
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To: "Jamie C. Pole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about
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t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jamie C. Pole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recent
events.(fwd)
>
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
>
> > If you are not a
to worry about here.
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From: "Jamie C. Pole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about
recent events.(fwd)
I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/1
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
> If you are not a terrorist, and do not associate with terrorists,
> you have nothing to worry about.
Like the guy we kidnapped in Germany, tortured for a year and then
released with a "Oh, wrong guy. Sorry."?
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ot;Jamie C. Pole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recent
events.(fwd)
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> I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
> While I agree that giving up (sup
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, coderman wrote:
> how 'bout you and all the others tied of "that goddamned piece of
> paper" get the fuck out instead?
Here Here!!!
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Just once, can't we have a nice polite discussion about
the logisti
On Dec 18, 2005, at 10:11 PM, coderman wrote:
On 12/18/05, Jamie C. Pole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
Even with a government that is actively protecting us from these
terrorist scumbags, we in the USA are still the luckiest people on
Earth. We've got it better than any other country on Eart
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
> the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the monitoring of
> certain targeted individuals would be shitting themselves to get in
> line to scream about the President not doing enough to protect us if
> there was another attack.
Correctly so.
On 12/18/05, Jamie C. Pole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> Even with a government that is actively protecting us from these
> terrorist scumbags, we in the USA are still the luckiest people on
> Earth. We've got it better than any other country on Earth. If you
> like some other place better,
I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is
most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point -
the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the monitoring of
certain tar
On 12/18/05, Dude VanWinkle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> Well, not all Coup's have to be bloody. I would be perfectly happy
> with a bloodless coup (or even a sporty one)
>
> The problem lies with the fact that most military persons (that I have
> met, especially ones that have not _seen_ com
haha.
-sk
Http://www.groundzero-security.com
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recent
events.(fwd)
> This is very nice, but obviously you were not standing in
On 12/18/05, Andrew A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Trends like these will continue to worsen until someone performs a coup.
> Luckily, it has been suprisingly easy throughout history to do so. All that
> is needed is for someone with the will to walk up and seize power. Were
> someone to perform an
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 03:07:29 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> This is very nice, but obviously you were not standing in the dust of the WTC
> Sept 11. I don't care if we NUKE them, let alone hurting a few feelings state
> side.
If we give up our liberties so we can be defended from terrorists, the
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This is very nice, but obviously you were not standing in the dust of
> the WTC Sept 11. I don't care if we NUKE them, let alone hurting a few
> feelings state side.
Are you even listening to yourself? What does anything you just said have
to do w
This is very nice, but obviously you were not standing in the dust of the WTC
Sept 11. I don't care if we NUKE them, let alone hurting a few feelings state
side. You are from Missouri so Show me the proof that any citizens' rights were
violated other than the liberal press stirring the soup aga
Trends like these will continue to worsen until someone performs a
coup. Luckily, it has been suprisingly easy throughout history to do
so. All that is needed is for someone with the will to walk up and
seize power. Were someone to perform an operation like this, the board
members of Halliburton an
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Dude VanWinkle wrote:
> Normally the correct response to this question is: go and vote, but
> with recent (and not so recent) events in the news:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2Bdiebold+%2Bgeorgia+%2Bcalifornia&btnG=Google+Search
>
> It seems this option is lost t
On 12/18/05, J.A. Terranson Forwarded Perry Metzger's Comments:
> The President claims he has the prerogative to order such
> surveillance. The law unambiguously disagrees with him.
from:
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2005-12-19T005210Z_01_MOL748915_R
Forwarded because we're fucking tired of hearing about n3td3v.
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