According to Steve Kudlak:
> It is kind of think it is a "UFO story" to say that PGP and the likes
> don't work and have been quietlty changed to make them easy to break.
> The inventors being compromised is pretty much an MIB story. It is open
> code so you can read it and see if it is possible
Yup got to go after the politicians and those folks that worked for the
three letter agencies or unnamed agencies or otherwise can be decent
folks. They just have a job to do. Education of the masses is key. We
can not whine about something that is in progress.
It was not done at before year X
It is kind of think it is a "UFO story" to say that PGP and the likes
don't work and have been quietlty changed to make them easy to break.
The inventors being compromised is pretty much an MIB story. It is open
code so you can read it and see if it is possible to break and how
easily given
Uh let's see I don't know if this is thje place to discuss this. There
has been enouigh evidence of governmental misbehavior in the past with
various programs that I wouldn't trust the powers that be to always be
benevolent to go away if nothing bad is happening. There is Steve Kurtz
the art
r you do ? i dont know, but i
> > wouldnt feel free if
> > i knew any nation on the world (so hundreds of people) profile me and watch
> > what i do even
> > though i'm not a criminal. they dont have to see the pictures my friends
> > send me or read
> > all my ema
d get sue'd if
information
leaks.
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From: "Leif Ericksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rodrigo Barbosa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:32 PM
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rs where i signed a NDA and could get sue'd
> if information
> leaks.
>
> - Original Message -----
> From: "Leif Ericksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Rodrigo Barbosa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:3
I think the real betrayal happened when the New York Times sat on the story for Fourteen months, and manipulated the election, then released it the day the Patriot Act was to be renewed, which just so happened to coincide with the book release of the clown who wrote the story. Us Americans are of
It's amazing nobody has brought up the fact that Bush was illegally
monitoring domestic and international calls during a presidential
election. He could have been listening to the Kerry camp's calls.
Worse we'll never know because without a judge's approval there is no
official paper trail. It's
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I was going to reply to all that stuff you wrote, but since you are
so intent of showing that you know nothing about how things work on
other countries, I'll just reply to one statement, that seems to be
the heart of the issue.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at
If you do not want to live in a prison state run for office or contact
the elected officials and them them know that you are upset. With the
glide path we are on now it is inevitable. I knew about monitoring of
conversations on the phone and electronic dating back to 1988.
We may be to late to s
On Dec 28, 2005, at 8:59 AM, Leif Ericksen wrote:
Actually after reading some of the the comments I have to say you all
missed the point... *IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal* and have
nothing to hide no big deal.
Laws change. Prior to Prohibition it would have been legal to drink
alc
If the traffic goes through a US based HOP anticipate that it will be
monitored. They do not care where you are from. IT passes through the
US it will be monitored since it has a foreign start and end point.
Now is your traffic legit? Are you moving legal money around? Are you a
drug dealer l
As was stated in previous post Echelon is old news, even Carnivore was
supposedly dumped for newer technology. As I stated in a previous
example the government can come in and request the keys if they need it.
If that story that my prof told the class in 1988 was true. Now that
story supposedly t
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 09:19:26AM -0500, Geo. wrote:
> > Actually after reading some of the the comments I have to say you all
> > missed the point... *IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal* and have
> > nothing to hide no big deal.
>
> If you are
> Actually after reading some of the the comments I have to say you all
> missed the point... *IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal* and have
> nothing to hide no big deal.
If you are not doing anything illegal then there is no need for law
enforcement to see your papers.
The point sir is that
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On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 07:59:10AM -0600, Leif Ericksen wrote:
> Actually after reading some of the the comments I have to say you all
> missed the point... *IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal* and have
> nothing to hide no big deal.
Talk about m
Actually after reading some of the the comments I have to say you all
missed the point... *IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal* and have
nothing to hide no big deal.
"I do not want the Government to see my banking info"
HUM, did you ever hear of the SSN? Are you putting massive amounts of
cas
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On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 06:32:34PM -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> >But if the rest of us are very unlucky, this huge step towards
> >totalitarianism by the Bush administration will be let stand as a very
> >bad precedent.
> >
> You don't have a clue what
On 12/27/05, Paul Schmehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> Well, no, they are not "clearly illegal". That is a matter of opinion and
> not law.
you are both correct to some degree. as an unsatisfying but
appropriate conclusion consider that the interpretation of the law by
a judge / jury must
--On December 27, 2005 2:49:18 PM -0800 Benjamin Franz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Paul Schmehl wrote:
Well, no, they are not "clearly illegal". That is a matter of opinion
and not law. In fact, all legal precedents indicate that the program
is legal, within the purvie
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Yo Dean!
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dean Pierce wrote:
> The problem is that privacy and freedom (I believe) are mutually
> exclusive.
Stalin would be proud of you! You would have loved Franco's Spain.
RGDS
GARY
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Dean Pierce wrote:
> Does the fourth amendment really guarantee us the right to pass any
> information through any medium, and assume that it is still considered
> private?
Yes, subject to a) A proper search warrant and b) The commercial
agreements between the provider of the medium and the user o
Does the fourth amendment really guarantee us the right to pass any
information through any medium, and assume that it is still considered
private?
The problem is that privacy and freedom (I believe) are mutually
exclusive. If we are granted total privacy in our communications
systems, then that
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Paul Schmehl wrote:
Well, no, they are not "clearly illegal". That is a matter of opinion and
not law. In fact, all legal precedents indicate that the program is legal,
within the purview of the President's powers under Article II of the
Constitution.
Um. No.
What he
--On December 27, 2005 12:11:32 PM -0800 Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Interesting line of argument, but really beside the point. You are
correct that Leif has taken the wrong line of argument, but you yourself
haven't quite got it right.
Leif speaks as if the government has a right to
Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Leif Ericksen wrote:
>
>>>Really if we have nothing to hide we should not fear them listening to
>>>us. Now if they come in and start forcing a special mark or code word
>>>or something special in order to live or buy or sell anyt
On 12/26/05, Leif Ericksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Echelon YAWN... That is old news that is like 10-15 years old and
> was first announce like 8-10 years ago was it not...
yes, an old program, but what version are we at now? 1.0 was
telephone and radio; we're a long way from those days
On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 22:11 -0600, Leif Ericksen wrote:
> Echelon YAWN... That is old news that is like 10-15 years old and
> was first announce like 8-10 years ago was it not...
Since there seems to be a great deal of misinformation and paranoia
regarding ECHELON and the NSA, I'd like to r
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On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Leif Ericksen wrote:
> Really if we have nothing to hide we should not fear them listening to
> us. Now if they come in and start forcing a special mark or code word
> or something special in order to live or
Echelon YAWN... That is old news that is like 10-15 years old and
was first announce like 8-10 years ago was it not... Encryption? when
it comes time to NSA/CIA/Omega Sector or other unnamed government
agencies if they want to decrypt it they can... That is my belief.
Really if we have no
foreign country.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bipin Gautam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 4:04 PM
> Subject: [Full-disclosure] Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove
>
>
> > hello list;
> >
> >
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, coderman wrote:
> recent events have shown just how willing corporations are to give the
> government a blank check with only minimal assurances of propriety and
> legality. i would bet good money the number of core providers who
> balked at DCS1000 deployments could be coun
>
> ipsec, ssl, ssh, openvpn, lots of methods for data privacy. (i am
> looking forward to tun/tap device support in new openssh. openvpn is
> a bit tedious)
>
> regarding anonymity, tor is no longer funded by the eff and is
> accepting donations. if you found this project useful now is a good
>
On 12/26/05, GroundZero Security <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the usa still controls the internet and they dont give a fuck if we
> feel that our privacy is invaded ...
> they want total control and noone can do anything against their actions.
strong encryption makes it difficult to invade your pr
us. court and i doubt that will help you much complaining
about some agency
especially when you are from some foreign country.
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From: "Bipin Gautam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 4:04 PM
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Yo J.A.!
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, J.A. Terranson wrote:
> Your service will have a contract, and in that contract will be a clause
> which determines which laws apply. Check it.
Than take your best guess as to whether the entities enforcing the laws
bo
> "Michael" == Michael Tewner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Michael> [snip]
Michael> getting to the point: It's pretty obvious that the
Michael> government here taps the 'net. It should be no surprise
Michael> that the US listens in on traffic; they've been doing it
Michael>
just willing to hear your views on what are the rules to check/tackle
such issues in other foreign countries???
Well, one of the tricks these bastards play with Echelon is how they get
around the typical illegality of spying on people in their own country.
For instance, I'm from Canada, and ou
All of Israel's inter-provider traffic goes through a central switching
center. This PoP also contains much of Israel's backbones and external
links.
getting to the point:
It's pretty obvious that the government here taps the 'net. It should be
no surprise that the US listens in on traffic; th
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Bipin Gautam wrote:
> My concern is... (I'm from Nepal) not all ISP in my region go through
> the Nepal's Internet exchange point. so even the local traffic might
> have routed through USA if our ISP'z backbone providr is in USA. I
> don't have very good idea about ledal stuf
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 07:04:15 -0800 Bipin Gautam
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hello list;
>
>
>My concern is... (I'm from Nepal) not all ISP in my region go
>through
>the Nepal's Internet exchange point. so even the local traffic
>might
>have routed t
hello list;
story: http://www.securityfocus.com/brief/85
[snip]-
At issue are the broad, sweeping powers the NSA now have to eavesdrop
on Americans without their knowledge. Commentary from Ars technical
speculates on the technology behind the massive eavesdropping. Bruce
Schneier has a lon
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