Victor Milne:
As I recall, this thread got started with a comment about many of the
voters
seeming to be neither intelligent nor well-informed. I'm sure from many of
his postings that Ed Weick did not mean this in an elitist sense.
No, I didn't mean it in an elitist sense. I meant it very
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From: Edward Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No thanks! I saw direct democracy in action the other night on a PBS
program about Rwanda: eight-hundred-thousand dead in one hundred days.
Don't you think your being just a little unfair? That was butchery, not
democracy
From: Edward Weick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How about an explicit definition of the job and explicit qualifications?
We do that with every other job, why not politics?
God will write them? Theocracies worked for a while, but they too had
their
problems -- e.g. the classic Mayas screwed up
No thanks! I saw direct democracy in action the other night on a PBS
program about Rwanda: eight-hundred-thousand dead in one hundred days.
Jay
Jay,
Don't you think your being just a little unfair? That was butchery, not
democracy. Given its background, it could have happened under any
Jay:
How about an explicit definition of the job and explicit qualifications?
We do that with every other job, why not politics?
God will write them? Theocracies worked for a while, but they too had their
problems -- e.g. the classic Mayas screwed up their environment just as
badly as we
Jay Hanson:
First of all you did not know my crew. G Moreover, the reason they
have skippers on boats is because they are better trained than crew
and passengers. It's a fact of life. Human society is inherently
hierarchical for the simple reason that it contributes to "inclusive
fitness".
Ray E. Harrell:
2. Opera is truly a holistic art form that encompasses
music, drama, dance, the graphic arts, film and anything else that
can be used by the composer. There is nothing about Neo-Classical
Economics that vaguely resembles the whole of human.
Jay Hanson:
Democracy makes no sense. If society is seeking a leader with the best
skills, the selection should be based on merit -- testing and
xperience --
not popularity. Government by popularity contest is a stupid idea.
Somehow I'm not at all surprised that this is your point of view.
Ray:
Being a musician is a full time job whether
paid or not and angry artists are often quite destructive.
Since they control the mirrors they often contain a destruction that is
truly genocidal all in the name of their own view of the world
winning a
Neva Goodwin:
"At some point, we need to ask, why are we using the word, "work"?
There are other good words -- "self-actualization" (well, that's not
a very euphoneous one, but it has a good meaning), "play" -- I've
tended to assume that "work" had to do with an output of some kind
that was of
From the Globe and Mail:
Designer seeds a
growing concern in India
Monday, January 25, 1999John
Stackhouse
Badshahpur, India -- Ever since the cotton-field massacre,
Ray E. Harrell,
Welcome to the world of the arts.Out of 5,650 graduates a year in vocal
performing arts programs there are about 300 full time jobs. We are told
by the economists that making a living at something else means that we
should be happy to do the art for free. Welcome to the
M. Blackmore:
Hence the reality of our position is obscured by market relations. Disrupt
those relations and watch the industrial populations die off like flies
:-( would be my guess.
I suppose it depends on what is meant by "disrupt". Total disruption, if
such a thing can be imagined, would
Victor Milne:
But what consumers are going to be left? They may opt out--boycott--as
suggested above. However, Angell's world seems to leave precious few
consumers. Global business is to downsize, outsource, roboticize, and where
it retains a few workers, tell them to be damn grateful for the
Title: EDGE 3rd Culture: THE THIRD CULTURE - by Kevin Kelly
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Weick:
Growth did not, as Douthwaite appears to imply, stagnate because of a
lack of effective demand, but because, in the euphoria of the boom,
bad investments were made. And it was not only foreign capital that
bailed out. Domestic capital also did so.
Davis:
The "bad investments" were bad
excerpt from a paper by Albert Bartlett published in Population
Environment, Vol. 20, No. 1, September 1998, Pgs. 77 - 81.
REGIONWIDE PLANNING WILL MAKE THE PROBLEMS WORSE
REGIONAL PLANNING DILUTES AND ULTIMATELY DEFEATS DEMOCRACY
What
Victor Milne:
Having a single service centre for the whole continent is not necessarily
very efficient, because the people answering the calls don't have a clue
about the local situation.
True. I was having problems with my computer, so I dialed the 1-800 number.
I told the gentleman at the
1996 Census: Sources of Income, earnings and total income, and family income,
Statistics Canada, May 12, 1998:
The nearly 21 million individuals who were income recipients in
1995 had an average total income from all sources of $25,196, down 6% from
1990 after adjustment for
I see on the news bulletins that San Francisco is experiencing a massive
and
mysterious power blackout. Could this be an early symptom? Maybe a systems
test that didn't work?
Tom Walker
The following makes it sound all very mysterious!
Ed Weick
Massive blackout hits San Francisco, Peninsula
It's hard to answer anything but "maybe" to these questions, which doesn't
really satisfy me. "Ownership" is quite an abstract concept, and for all
that Marxists talked about materialism they sure attached a lot of
importance to something so abstract.
Back to some rudeness. I'm really
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: usa-today.money,alt.politics.economics
Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 6:22 PM
Subject: World Bank Economic Forecast
December 2, 1998
The World Bank (Wednesday) says the Asian financial and economic crisis is
"Douglas P. Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since my post containing some tentative requirements analysis the
silence has been deafening, with even Jay Hanson being mute on the
subject.
For my part, I found your post excellent, even inspiring. I marvel
at your level of enthusiasm.
-Pete
Steve Kurtz:
(Douglas: I urge you to have a look before attempting to re-invent the
wheel.)
Then, summarizing a paper:
Simulators are descriptions of complex systems representing the
interrelationships among the processes that constitute the system; they
combine observations of past states of
Douglas P. Wilson:
But weather is such a profoundly non-linear system
that linearization is either impossible or doesn't help much. We may differ on
this point, but I think the world economy is a much simpler system than the
world's weather. I don't know any way to prove this other than to
Jock
McCardell:
If this merger is based (as claimed by
the respective CEOs) onrationalisation of producers because of declining
consumption of oil howdoes this affect the timeline on the 'tank is empty'
equation?
I believe that its a decline in the
price of oil that's at issue, not a
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