RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread Karen Watters Cole
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Salvador R. Sánchez Gutiérrez Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!) Lawrence, thank you very

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread jan matthieu
Reuss Verzonden: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 16:14 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!) Lawry de Bivort wrote: You reveak your ignorance, Chris: not permitted to talk to a burka'ed woman? This shows how little you know... Are you saying

Re: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread Salvador R. Snchez Gutirrez
- Original Message - From: jan matthieu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:48 AM I wonder if not having to wear a burka can be considered a human right. I would say that NOT HAVING TO wear it SHOULD BE considered a human right. In any case, as was repeatedly stated

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Chris, Lawry de Bivort wrote: You reveak your ignorance, Chris: not permitted to talk to a burka'ed woman? This shows how little you know... Are you saying that sources like the following are wrong ? http://www.purpleberets.org/international_gender_apartheid.html Afghan women ...

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
in such discussion. Best regards, Lawry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka

Re: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-15 Thread Brad McCormick, Ed.D.
Salvador R. Sánchez Gutiérrez wrote: [snip] As Karen said, it's a question between fundamentalism (archaism?) and modernism. Clothing is not a trivial issue, it is an individual manifestation of identity and belonging but also a display of social traits, practices and customs. Freedom to

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
, August 14, 2002 7:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!) Lawry deBivort wrote: Have you ever asked a nun or a catholic woman whether they feel oppressed when they wear 'habit' or cover themselves? Becoming a nun or being/remaining

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Cordell . Arthur
PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:31 PM To: Christoph Reuss; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!) Well,it is a delight to see another white western male so knowledgeable about these matters. So, to my rapidly expanding list

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Well, Arthur, it is that assumption, precisely, that I am challenging. How would you know you don't have to talk to any of them? How in the world can you be so certain, except by simply (and possibly blindly) 'being certain'. It is, I would suggest, an untested and hence unmerited certainty. If

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Cordell . Arthur
Are you challenging the notion of choice? -Original Message- From: Lawrence de Bivort [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!) Well, Arthur, it is that assumption

Re: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Christoph Reuss
Lawry, you have completely missed my point: That there's much more to social science than simply asking victims whether they _feel_ victimized. That's like asking a SUV driver whether he feels safe, and when Bubba says Yea, then conclude that SUVs _are_ safe. It just ain't that simple, Lawry.

Re: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Salvador R. Sánchez Gutiérrez
] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!) Well, Arthur, it is that assumption, precisely, that I am challenging. How would you know you don't have to talk to any of them? How in the world can you be so

RE: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
Greetings, Salvador, Many thanks for your email. I only wish I spoke Spanish as well as you speak English! I am not an English speaking person, as I guess you know. My knowledge of your language is very limited. That's why I am curious about the meaning of an expresion you use recurrently

Re: Sociology/Victimology 101 (was Re: Women love the burka!)

2002-08-14 Thread Salvador R. Sánchez Gutiérrez
Lawrence, thank you very much for your kind reply. [...] By the way, are there significant differences between western males and eastern males, or western females, in terms of certainty? Is the answer a certainty itself? I focused on western males because we were talking a Muslim and