Re: [Futurework] Religous Cults of Death - and eternity

2006-09-27 Thread Christoph Reuss

[Talking about Religious Cults of Death..]
 (note that Rabbis have much more influence than Islamists, esp. in the West)


http://www.imemc.org/content/view/21527/1/

Jewish rabbi calls for extermination of all Palestinian males

   IMEMC  Agencies - Monday, 18 September 2006, 13:29

A Jewish rabbi living in the West Bank has called on the Israeli
government to use their troops to kill all Palestinian males more than 13
years old in a bid to end Palestinian presence on this earth.

Extremist rabbi Yousef Falay, who dwells at the Yitzhar settlement on
illegally seized Palestinian land in the northern part of the West Bank,
wrote an article in a Zionist magazine under the title Ways of War, in
which he called for the killing of all Palestinian males refusing to flee
their country, describing his idea as the practical way to ensure the
non-existence of the Palestinian race.

We have to make sure that no Palestinian individual remains under our
occupation. If they (Palestinians) escape then it is good; but if anyone
of them remains, then he should be exterminated, the fanatic rabbi added
in his article.

Falay is not the first to have called for such extreme measures.  Rabbi
Meir Kahane, founder of the Kach movement, called for the transfer of
Israel's Arab population to Arab (or other) lands. (As it states on the
group's website).  Followers of Kahane have been connected to a number of
murders of Palestinians, particularly in the Hebron area in the southern
West Bank.  In the most well-known of such attacks, 29 Palestinians
praying in the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron were gunned down by Baruch
Goldstein, a follower of Kahane, in 1994, with Israeli soldiers looking on
and allowing the gunman to reload his automatic machine gun and continue
killing innocent civilians.  In response to that massacre, the Israeli
authorities punished the Palestinian victims by taking over the Ibrahimi
mosque and turning half of it into a synagogue, where Israeli settlers go
to pray each week.  And each year, on the anniversary of the massacre,
Israeli settlers in Hebron dress up like Baruch Goldstein and parade
through the streets of Hebron, firing guns in the air.

The Kach movement recognizes the 'transfer' of 750,000 Palestinians that
took place in 1948 in order for the state of Israel to be created on their
land, but argues on their website that this 'transfer' was incomplete, and
that all Palestinians must be sent away, or killed, in order for Israel to
remain a 'Jewish state'.  Their supporters state that Rabbi Kahane's
position toward 'Arab-Israelis' can be summarized as: In a genuinely
'JEWISH State', how can an Arab be an equal when that State has an
Independence Day celebrating his defeat. Its flag isn't that of its
people. He isn't trusted to serve in the army. His cousin born in Haifa
[sic] and fled during the 1948 War of Independence cannot return... yet
any Jew who never lived there before is welcomed with open arms. In short,
Israel is his enemy's country, not his. So how can an Arab truly be a
loyal citizen in a Jewish State? Simply, they cannot, and they must go!

The idea of extermination of Palestinians, or their 'transfer' into other
countries, is not only a view held by extremists on the fringes of
society.  Prominent Israeli politicians have also made calls for a
'transfer', or ethnic cleansing, based on race.  Just last week, on
September 11, 2006, an Israeli member of Parliament called explicitly for
the transfer of Palestinians (whow he referred to as 'Arabs') from the
West Bank (which he referred to as 'Judea and Samaria', the biblical name
for the region where the majority of Palestinians now live).

We have to expel most Arabs from Judea and Samaria, Eitam said at a
memorial service for Lt. Amihai Merhavia, a soldier who was killed in
South Lebanon in July.  We can't deal with all these Arabs, and we can't
give up the territory, because we've already seen what they do there. Some
of them might have to stay under certain conditions, but most of them will
have to go.  Despite a law that would strip Israeli parliament members of
their immunity to prosecution if they are found make explicitly racist
statements, no investigation of Eitam has occurred on this matter, and
there was no condemnation of his statement by the Israeli government.


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http://www.imemc.org/content/view/21687/1/

UN Envoy for Human Rights: Israeli actions in Gaza can be described as
ethnic cleansing

   Saed Bannoura - IMEMC  Agencies - Wednesday, 27 September 2006, 03:53

Special Envoy for the United Nations in occupied Palestinian territories,
John Dugard, said on Tuesday that the Israeli actions and attacks in the
Gaza Strip can be described as ethnic cleansing, after the Israeli army
sealed the Gaza Strip and made life there tragic and intolerable.

A report published by Dugard sharply slammed  Israel and western countries
for the bad and continuously deteriorating 

Re: [Futurework] Religous Cults

2006-09-26 Thread Christoph Reuss
 I'm not endorsing his work, Chris, just offering his opinion as part of a
 network of correspondence. But I do agree that to ignore zealotry in any
 religion is to overlook one aspect of the darkness of man.  kwc

Thanks, Karen.  With emphasis on _any_ religion... it's just too bad that
Harris forgot about the one that holds the only nukes in the Middle East.
Well, it looks like a nuclear bomb can not only be built believing in the
77 virgins (as claimed by Harris, although that has yet to be done!) but
also while believing that it's NOT OK to eat leavened bread on the
afternoon of the 14th day of the 7th month (8th month in leap years)
of the ecclesiastical year (Mitzvot #108) while it's perfectly OKAY to
eat the same bread in the _morning_ of the same day, and to make a sieve
of Palestinians in ambulance cars?  Doesn't it make Harris feel a bit
unsafe that the guys who believe this hold several hundred nukes and
several nuke-launchable submarines with a 4,000 miles range and the
world's most silent engines?

And btw, did you contrast Harris inflationary mention of reason and
critical thinking with his unreasonable, uncritical belief in the
official 9/11 story?

Regards,
Chris

__
Democracy and Zionism cannot go together.
 Western democracy has to be ruled out.
 In a religious state, there can be no
 [freedom of speech]. --Rabbi Meir Kahane



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Re: [Futurework] Religous Cults

2006-09-26 Thread Karen Watters Cole
Chris wrote: btw, did you contrast Harris inflationary mention of reason
andcritical thinking with his unreasonable, uncritical belief in the
official 9/11 story?

No, I didn't mention Harris' paragraph on the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
There will always be doubts. For example, those undeniably split steel beams
with their clean, diagonal cuts in the photos taken on the ground days
afterwards and the way the buildings imploded.

My focus was on Harris' warning liberals to 'wake up' to the problem of
religious zealotry instead of just diagnosing it as an economic and
nationalistic condition.

Karen




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