Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Steve R]

I have no idea if this link to the thread where Dan Knight's email 
will work for everyone but here it is:



Steve R

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Re: Top Posting (read up)

[Steve R]

Please, sir, where does Dan Knight, List Mom, on his updated 
2008.02.15 webpage, continue to insist that bottom posting is the 
only way to post? See content of that page below the link you posted.

Kyle, I wish you no ill -- perhaps it was when you resigned from 
being List Nanny that Dan Knight, List Mom, posted to all lists 
saying that the 'banned for top posting' rule was no longer being 
enforced because Apple Mail even had its default for top posting. 
Just in the past week, someone reposted Dan Knight's email complete 
with headers to verify validity of the email. Dan Knight's email said 
bottom posting was preferred however it was up to the individual 
poster to determine how best to reply.

Surely, Dan Knight's email can be found in the archive.

Steve R

At 10:54 PM -0700 6/12/09, Kyle Hansen posted:

>  http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
>

Netiquette for Email Lists
updated 2008.02.15


There are informal rules of Internet communication which are termed 
netiquette to help people use proper etiquette within forums and 
email groups. Some examples of poor netiquette are not signing 
messages, sending unsubscribe messages to the posting address 
(instead of the administrative address), or TYPING IN ALL CAPS (which 
is the equivalent of yelling).

The Internet is a dynamic environment and netiquette evolves over time.

Some rules for the Low End Mac family of mail lists:

Remember that replies automatically go to the list, not the just the 
person who posted the message. You need to change the To: address to 
respond to an individual. (Some other lists, such as Mac-Mgrs and the 
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permission of the sender.

Please quote only the relevant portion of messages you respond to - 
and please quote some of the original message so others know what 
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Mom and the nannies are watching. The list managers (the List Owner 
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sig.
* Please keep your signature concise. Six lines or less is best. Ten 
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little as 72); check that your signature doesn't wrap badly because 
of this.
* Taglines should be clearly separated from the body of the email and 
should come after your name.
* Avoid vulgar and offensive taglines.

Don't use PGP encryption on your messages. A lot of people (probably 
most) can't even use it.

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worst. And please notify List Mom if things seem to be getting out of 
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Although su

Top Posting (read up)

[Kyle Hansen]

Hello,
 
I am a Nanny here at LEM.  We have some rules about posting in our forums.
One rule that gets looked over quite frequently is what is called ³top
posting.²  We ask that you post your responses AFTER the text you are
answering.  This is called ³bottom posting² and considered the polite
Internet standard.  Naturally you should also trim out some of the
non-essential information from the previous post as well.  Here is a snippet
of the rules that you read when you signed up for these lists:
 
http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml
 
Thanks for your understanding.  You will be warned first, then temp banned
and then banned from the list if you don¹t follow the few rules we ask you
to follow.  Usually we will ban you or moderate you (so your post has to be
approved by a nanny before it will hit the list) then temporarily ban you
(usually 72 hours), and then if you still don¹t ³get it² you will just be
banned from the listŠ.which we really do not want to do.  So please take the
few extra seconds and trim your posts then post your response at the bottom.
Not only is it polite, it is a requirement of our lists.  Some threads get
really hard to follow if you ³top post.²
 
We have posted several warnings.  The warnings are going to stop and then
bans are going to begin.  It is not that difficult to trim a post and then
reply in the natural fashion which is below the quoted text.

Thank you again for your understanding.
 
Kyle Hansen
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Re: Safari 4.0

[Ernest L. Gunerius]

>
>
>Is there any way to get the progress bar back in lieu of the rotating 
>wheel?  Why do they keep trying to improve what works?
>
>George

Take a look at:
><http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/23/1747241/>
>
>disabling Top Sites.
>14 Tips for Safari 4 Beta ;
><http://www.macosxtips.co.uk/index_files/12-tips-for-safari-4-beta.html>
>
><http://www.thrica.com/archives/352>
>
You can also go to: 
<http://groups.google.com:80/group/g3-5-list/search?hl=en&group=g3-5-list&q=Safari+bloat&qt_g=Search+this+group>
 
and read the posts.

These sites have suggestions for modifying Safari 4 Beta. I do not 
know if the hacks can work on Safari 4.
I followed the advice and changed some features in Safari 4 Beta to 
be more to my liking. I got rid of Top Sites and changed the Spinning 
Wheel to a Progress bar.
Ernie.

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Re: Lightening Season

[Kyle Hansen]

On 6/12/09 10:21 PM, "Stephen Weber"  Broadcast into
the ether:

> My suggestion is to get a really nice surge protector or get a battery back
> up.  Were I live I had some really bad storms pass through on the 9th and when
> I went down stairs to turn on my iMac G3 I noticed that the surge protector
> was tripped.  So they do work.
> 
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Ralph Green  wrote:
>> 
>> Howdy,
>>  Absolutely.  That is what the PRAM batteries are there for.  They keep
>> the system settings when you are unplugged.  It does not take much
>> power, but you do run them down faster when you are unplugged.  When you
>> are plugged in, they are not being drained by the computer at all.  They
>> are just naturally discharging, as batteries always do.
>> Good day,
>> Ralph

I suggest the same.  But not in the form of top posting as Stephen did.  Buy
a decent UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply) that also has a voltage
regulator.  That is what I do with all my important systems.

Kyle Hansen
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Re: Lightening Season

[Stephen Weber]

My suggestion is to get a really nice surge protector or get a battery back
up.  Were I live I had some really bad storms pass through on the 9th and
when I went down stairs to turn on my iMac G3 I noticed that the surge
protector was tripped.  So they do work.

On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Ralph Green wrote:

>
> Howdy,
>  Absolutely.  That is what the PRAM batteries are there for.  They keep
> the system settings when you are unplugged.  It does not take much
> power, but you do run them down faster when you are unplugged.  When you
> are plugged in, they are not being drained by the computer at all.  They
> are just naturally discharging, as batteries always do.
> Good day,
> Ralph
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 23:44 -0400, insightinmind wrote:
>
>
> > Does this place a drain on the PRAM batteries? I believe someone
> > contributed awhile back, that when the psu capacitor drains, that's
> > when the batteries are used more. What might be a time limit on such a
> > capacitor drain?
>
> >
>
>
> >
>

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Re: The powerpc now and in the future....

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
> On Jun 11, 2009, at 3:32 PM, James E. Therrault wrote:
>
>> Maybe someone could come up with a mini Intel motherboard that would
>> fit
>> into one of the PCI slots...
>
> This is a good idea for Sonnet and all the other aftermarket upgrade
> companies to pursue.
>


PCI slot based accelerators have a bottleneck built right in. Hardly
worth the effort IMO.

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Re: The powerpc now and in the future....

[Wallace Adrian D'Alessio]

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
>
> On Jun 11, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Dan wrote:
>
>> As emulators go, Rosetta - the black box that makes PPC stuff run on
>> x86 Macs - is pretty good.
>
> Now we need the opposite emulator, the one that will allow future
> Intel x86 only code to run on our PPC Macs. I doubt this will ever
> exist, but it would certainly be welcomed.
>
_

On another list I referred to this as " the non-existent Intel dongle
" . Some folks there simply thought Sonnet would come up with a
processor upgrade for G5s !

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Re: Lightening Season

[Ralph Green]

Howdy,
 Absolutely.  That is what the PRAM batteries are there for.  They keep
the system settings when you are unplugged.  It does not take much
power, but you do run them down faster when you are unplugged.  When you
are plugged in, they are not being drained by the computer at all.  They
are just naturally discharging, as batteries always do.
Good day,
Ralph

On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 23:44 -0400, insightinmind wrote:


> Does this place a drain on the PRAM batteries? I believe someone
> contributed awhile back, that when the psu capacitor drains, that's
> when the batteries are used more. What might be a time limit on such a
> capacitor drain?

> 


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Re: Lightening Season

[insightinmind]

On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:44 PM, insightinmind wrote:

> lightening

meaning lightning, of coarse (sic) ...

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Lightening Season

[insightinmind]

We've entered "lightening season" and I have begun unplugging my  
systems as storms approach. I have concerns for my G4s: Yikes!, QS  
2002 Dual 1GHz, and soon to be had DA Dual 533.

Does this place a drain on the PRAM batteries? I believe someone  
contributed awhile back, that when the psu capacitor drains, that's  
when the batteries are used more. What might be a time limit on such  
a capacitor drain?

I've come to mistrust surge protectors, and really don't want to go  
into UPSs ... but are they immune to lightening?

I also disconnect my DSL modem and ethernet cables: that's how  
lightening fried my last QS mobo [and a USB connected Nikon 5000ED  
circuit board (now back fresh as well)] ... the QS I think actually  
had problems since eBay. My replacement mobo is behaving really well.

All this unplugging has become rather comical (well, to my cat and  
dog, since we're here, mostly to ourselves).

Any suggestions about how to accomplish this better?

Bill Connelly
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Safari 4.0

[George R . Hozendorf]

Is there any way to get the progress bar back in lieu of the rotating  
wheel?  Why do they keep trying to improve what works?

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Re: Program to remove foreign languages from OSX 10.4

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Jack Countryman wrote:

> There is another program out there called 'delocalizer' that not only
> removes the languages,

I think DeLocalizer is "abandonware" that stopped development back in  
Jaguar 10.2? It's no longer listed on the developers website (Bombich,  
who does CCC), and using it could be dangerous because it may remove  
some of the "official" Apple language resources. This has been a  
problem starting in about 10.4 where if you uninstall official Apple  
resources from some programs like Safari or Adobe products you end up  
breaking the application so it won't launch. Some say this is a safety  
issue, that the application files are being validated by checksum each  
launch to make sure no virus or trojan has inserted itself into the  
code. It doesn't seem to be doing a real checksum, they launch too  
fast for that, but I know they WILL break if you uninstall the  
official Apple languages (which are NOT uninstalled by Monolingual by  
default, and you SHOULDN'T add unless you don't use Adobe products,  
(I'm unsure if Safari still breaks in v.4.0?, but 3.x did break if you  
removed official Apple languages).

>  but also the regional/country settings that go with
> them. It seems to get a bit more of the stuff most of us do not need  
> than
> what monolingual does.

Monolingual also uninstalls these, it just does this in a separate tab  
and removal process. In addition, Monolingual can remove all the CPU  
architecture you can't use, for example, for PPC Macs it can remove  
all the Intel code from so-called "universal" applications. It can  
even remove non-necessary PPC CPU versions, for example, if you own a  
G4 Mac it can not only remove the Intel code, it can remove specific  
G3 and G5 code leaving you a custom "G4 only" installation. This could  
be a problem if you later upgraded and wanted to clone or transfer  
your System, you'd need a clean install instead, but you could cross  
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Re: Program to remove foreign languages from OSX 10.4

[Marty Levine]

Thank you - I remember hearing about that one too.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Jack Countryman wrote:
>
> There is another program out there called 'delocalizer' that not only
> removes the languages, but also the regional/country settings that go with
> them.  It seems to get a bit more of the stuff most of us do not need than
> what monolingual does.  By default, it doesn't remove 'American English' or
> related files.
>
>
> On 6/12/09 1:39 PM, "dc"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Several things to remember about Monolingual:
>> 1. Make sure NOT to remove all the languages, leave at least one
>> (hence the name "Mono"lingual!)
>> 2. Ditto for keyboard layouts and architectures
>> 3. You might consider leaving the Klingon language installed, it's not
>> wise to p*ss them off!
>>
>> On Jun 11, 9:56 pm, Marty Levine  wrote:
>>> Ok, I thought I read that Monolingual is the application I needed to
>>> remove unneeded foreign languages from OS X.
>>
>> >
>
>
>
> >
>

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Re: Program to remove foreign languages from OSX 10.4

[Jack Countryman]

There is another program out there called 'delocalizer' that not only
removes the languages, but also the regional/country settings that go with
them.  It seems to get a bit more of the stuff most of us do not need than
what monolingual does.  By default, it doesn't remove 'American English' or
related files.


On 6/12/09 1:39 PM, "dc"  wrote:

> 
> Several things to remember about Monolingual:
> 1. Make sure NOT to remove all the languages, leave at least one
> (hence the name "Mono"lingual!)
> 2. Ditto for keyboard layouts and architectures
> 3. You might consider leaving the Klingon language installed, it's not
> wise to p*ss them off!
> 
> On Jun 11, 9:56 pm, Marty Levine  wrote:
>> Ok, I thought I read that Monolingual is the application I needed to
>> remove unneeded foreign languages from OS X.
> 
> > 



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Re: Program to remove foreign languages from OSX 10.4

[dc]

Several things to remember about Monolingual:
1. Make sure NOT to remove all the languages, leave at least one
(hence the name "Mono"lingual!)
2. Ditto for keyboard layouts and architectures
3. You might consider leaving the Klingon language installed, it's not
wise to p*ss them off!

On Jun 11, 9:56 pm, Marty Levine  wrote:
> Ok, I thought I read that Monolingual is the application I needed to
> remove unneeded foreign languages from OS X.

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Re: The powerpc now and in the future....

[Josh Keady]

My new 13" MBP just came in the mail today.  I'm typing this on it...
it is sublime :)

That "x86 on a PCI card" reminded me of the old Apple DOS
Compatibility card that was available for early Power PCs?

http://www.mug.jhmi.edu/mirrors/infoalley/0496/25/pc.html

I actually have one of those in a box somewhere, I got it used and
tried it out in my 7500 one time.

On Jun 11, 5:59 pm, "James E. Therrault" 
wrote:
> Dan wrote:
> > At 3:32 PM -0500 6/11/2009, James E. Therrault wrote:
> >>Maybe someone could come up with a mini Intel motherboard that would fit
> >>into one of the PCI slots...
>
> > LOL.  I would think it would be cheaper, easier, and more reliable to
> > just use a real x86 Mac or do a hacintosh...
>
> Which is probably the route I'm going to try in the next year or so.
>
> But, I just got a blurb from Apple that 13" MacBook Pros start at around
> $1199...
>
> JT
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