Re: 933 mhz G4 Quicksilver Powermac Dual boot?
On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 22:01 -0700, Clark Martin wrote: FYI, I'm running Ubuntu 9.04 on my Pismo and a G4 Sawtooth. I tried 9.10 on the Pismo but it didn't work right at all. The WiFi would only Howdy, Thanks for the information. I am not much of a wireless lan user. I have wired lan available pretty much everywhere I go. 9.10 worked pretty well for me on a G4 iMac, but I have not tried Lucid(aka 10.04) yet. The 9.10 went on a borrowed iMac, and I don't have access to it anymore. It worked fine for a couple of weeks of light usage. I suspect a PPC desktop machine would be better on Linux, just like desktop x86 machines have fewer problems. Have a good day, Ralph -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anyone tried Logitech's LCC 3.2?
At 3:54 PM -0400 6/2/2010, Bill Connelly wrote: LCC270 just seems to be the Mouse, not my KB, too ... Weird. It should see both. Should I be using LCC270j from your suggested site? Only if you have a Japanese keyboard. I went back to LCC 2.62, using the ftp link supplied to retrieve the 2.60 upgrade. So far (early as it is), no problems and I have both KB and Mouse showing up now. Ok. Use whatever works for you. Maybe someday Logitech will get their act in gear. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Infamous error 36
On 02/06/10 8:12 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: You don't mention what version of OSX you're using. With 10.3 or 10.4 when you start getting those errors, a reboot is pretty much in order; Samba client performance in those versions was geared much more towards the Windows servers. This is a 10.5.X. From what you've said here, I'm inclined to go look at the server's log, as suggested by Ralph, to see if there's a message there. Ralph, by login in, I meant I'm able to login into an account on the server. 10.5 dramatically improved smb: performance, particularly with linux servers. If you're having these problems on an older version, my advice is upgrade right away. 10.6 introduced some new twists. I got a lot of useful info hunting down some 10.6 issues (not error-36 issues, though) at the MacWindows site. However it was stuff on the Linux side that had to be fixed...not a problem in my case. The reason you're finding so many useless, disparate hits for Error 36 is because it's possibly the most useless error message ever...what it really means is The server's not talking to me, I give up. Thanks Bruce, this makes a lot of sense, especially considering the various Google finds suggesting tricks by others work. The tricks are as varied as the authors, yet the error---error 36--is the same. So, common problem, different solutions. Confusing, but not after reading what you've said here, Bruce. I will try and report back, after poking at the server. I should say though when I copy smaller files, it works. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Sonnet firmware
Hi All I installed a 1.2 CPU in a Cube. I also installed the Sonnet 3.1 firmware from OS X first like the instruction said, however when I check hardware overview it reports ROM 4.1.9f1 Is this the correct ROM? All my machines have ROM 4.1.9f1. Otherwise I really didn't need to go back to square one in my installation because I forgot to do the firmware at the onset, so to be safe I went back to the 500 processor and did the firmware update. It runs great so far but I wonder about the firmware being correct. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sonnet firmware
On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Jason Brown wrote: Their firmware is a modified version of the Apple Rom 4.1.9f1. You are on the correct version, its just been modded to add additional cpu id variables so the system recognizes it. Thanks I'm glad I went back to square one then. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA From Earl Cube 1.2 GHz -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mac won't boot up.
I have a G4 Mac, 10.3.9 panther, 400 processor, 40 gb hard drive. I tired it on and it went to a square where it showed the finder icon and it blinked to a question mark. I tried to use the installation disk to start it. I was trying to re install panther but, when it came to find the hard drive to install I could not go anywhere. I think it maybe the hard drive? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sonnet firmware
Always better safe than sorry, however if the system was running, you likely either A: didnt need the update or B: had already done it otherwise the system wouldnt boot or wouldnt even post. On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:06 AM, John Carmonne wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Jason Brown wrote: Their firmware is a modified version of the Apple Rom 4.1.9f1. You are on the correct version, its just been modded to add additional cpu id variables so the system recognizes it. Thanks I'm glad I went back to square one then. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA From Earl Cube 1.2 GHz -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac won't boot up.
Looks like the hard disk. Open your PM and check if the dsik and its connectors look good, then try running Apple Hardware Test. On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:39 PM, stevo137 wrote: I have a G4 Mac, 10.3.9 panther, 400 processor, 40 gb hard drive. I tired it on and it went to a square where it showed the finder icon and it blinked to a question mark. I tried to use the installation disk to start it. I was trying to re install panther but, when it came to find the hard drive to install I could not go anywhere. I think it maybe the hard drive? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU?
-- Original message -- Subject: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU? Date:Freitag 21 Mai 2010N From:Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU? Give it to a friend who knows a lot about electronics and hope he can fix it! I just wanted to report back: he fixed it! A fuse was blown, possible due to a peek of overvoltage. Anyway, he used his very expensive multimeter and found out what was wrong, ordered the parts, replaced them, and I then put it back into my Power Mac alloy case. I had the system board connected, just in case the PSU would blow up again if there were no load on it. I heard the “click” again, which hadn't worked before, so I was hoping for the best, but still fearing the worst. So I continued to put all back to it's place, all the fans, air flow deviders and the processor with its huge heat sink. I cannot tell you how reliefed and happy I was as I heard the chime after turning it on again. As there was no hard drive installed yet I went straight into Open Firmware and saw the picture of black text on a bright white background on the screen – so everything seemed okay, from system board with memory and processor down to the video card! It's now running Mac OS X 10.5.8 again as well as my favorite Linux of them all: Gentoo, in its all 64-bit flavor! I love it: 16 GB of RAM Anyway, all expenses were the parts plus shipping for about 15.00 €uro. Much better than an also used PSU for around $200.00 or so, excluding shipping costs! Thanks to you all for your help! A happy Mac User #330250 aka Andreas… -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sonnet firmware
On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Jason Brown wrote: Always better safe than sorry, however if the system was running, you likely either A: didnt need the update or B: had already done it otherwise the system wouldnt boot or wouldnt even post. The system didn't run the first tme so I reintsalled the 500 CPU and did the firmware update 3.1 , after which I installed the Sonnet again and it works now:-) John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU?
On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU? Date:Freitag 21 Mai 2010N From:Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU? Give it to a friend who knows a lot about electronics and hope he can fix it! I just wanted to report back: he fixed it! A fuse was blown, possible due to a peek of overvoltage. Anyway, he used his very expensive multimeter and found out what was wrong, ordered the parts, replaced them, and I then put it back into my Power Mac alloy case. I had the system board connected, just in case the PSU would blow up again if there were no load on it. I heard the “click” again, which hadn't worked before, so I was hoping for the best, but still fearing the worst. So I continued to put all back to it's place, all the fans, air flow deviders and the processor with its huge heat sink. I cannot tell you how reliefed and happy I was as I heard the chime after turning it on again. As there was no hard drive installed yet I went straight into Open Firmware and saw the picture of black text on a bright white background on the screen – so everything seemed okay, from system board with memory and processor down to the video card! It's now running Mac OS X 10.5.8 again as well as my favorite Linux of them all: Gentoo, in its all 64-bit flavor! I love it: 16 GB of RAM Anyway, all expenses were the parts plus shipping for about 15.00 €uro. Much better than an also used PSU for around $200.00 or so, excluding shipping costs! Thanks to you all for your help! A happy Mac User #330250 aka Andreas… Thanks for your update, I too have a PM G5 and did not know they have any fuses, I'm sure going to find it in cae I have the same problem some day. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Burning 2 DVDs at a time
Hi All Before I spend a week end with a new project I'd like to know ahead of time if I'm peeing in the tide on this idea. I have a G4 PM MDD Dual 1.25 with two internal Pioneer 118L optical drives, (very handy for copying) I want to know if I can burn two at once? Or if it was possible would the total burn time for the two still equal the same amount of time as burning separately? I do have two Toast applications. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU?
Give it to a friend who knows a lot about electronics and hope he can fix it! I just wanted to report back: he fixed it! A fuse was blown, possible due to a peek of overvoltage. Anyway, he used his very expensive multimeter and found out what was wrong, ordered the parts, replaced them, and I then put it back into my Power Mac alloy case. I had the system board connected, just in case the PSU would blow up again if there were no load on it. I heard the “click” again, which hadn't worked before, so I was hoping for the best, but still fearing the worst. So I continued to put all back to it's place, all the fans, air flow deviders and the processor with its huge heat sink. I cannot tell you how reliefed and happy I was as I heard the chime after turning it on again. As there was no hard drive installed yet I went straight into Open Firmware and saw the picture of black text on a bright white background on the screen – so everything seemed okay, from system board with memory and processor down to the video card! It's now running Mac OS X 10.5.8 again as well as my favorite Linux of them all: Gentoo, in its all 64-bit flavor! I love it: 16 GB of RAM Anyway, all expenses were the parts plus shipping for about 15.00 €uro. Much better than an also used PSU for around $200.00 or so, excluding shipping costs! Thanks to you all for your help! A happy Mac User #330250 aka Andreas… Thanks for your update, I too have a PM G5 and did not know they have any fuses, I'm sure going to find it in cae I have the same problem some day. Most likely the other components were capacitors. Readily available. Uses lead free solder. But have a high degree of difficulty. It does give me high hope of fixing two logic boards and two power supplies I've been pondering over. R/ Deaner -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Burning 2 DVDs at a time
John - do you mean just burning, the 10-15 minute process, or encode/ burn, that takes like 4 hours on these babies? Burning, no problem, the encode, running two instances may be a problem. On Jun 3, 7:42 pm, JOHN CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All Before I spend a week end with a new project I'd like to know ahead of time if I'm peeing in the tide on this idea. I have a G4 PM MDD Dual 1.25 with two internal Pioneer 118L optical drives, (very handy for copying) I want to know if I can burn two at once? Or if it was possible would the total burn time for the two still equal the same amount of time as burning separately? I do have two Toast applications. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA From TiBook 800 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Burning 2 DVDs at a time
On Jun 3, 2010, at 6:54 PM, JoeTaxpayer wrote: John - do you mean just burning, the 10-15 minute process, or encode/ burn, that takes like 4 hours on these babies? Burning, no problem, the encode, running two instances may be a problem. I already have all the ripps I'm just talking about the burning with toast. I also have a PM G5 Dual 2.7, BTW will increased RAM help this operation? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA From Earl Cube 1.2 GHz -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU?
Thanks for your update, I too have a PM G5 and did not know they have any fuses, I'm sure going to find it in cae I have the same problem some day. Most likely the other components were capacitors. Readily available. Uses lead free solder. But have a high degree of difficulty. It does give me high hope of fixing two logic boards and two power supplies I've been pondering over. R/ Deaner -- The MDDs PSU have fuses in as well. Replacing the fuse sometimes works but usually points to something else amiss like capacitors as Deaner says. One caveat though if you are going to attempt to fix these yourselves is to take care inside the PSU. Even turned off and disconnected , these retain enough 's to give you a nasty jolt. Do a google search about repairing one of these and the safety precautions first. Stewie _ If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU?
On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: The MDDs PSU have fuses in as well. Replacing the fuse sometimes works but usually points to something else amiss like capacitors as Deaner says. One caveat though if you are going to attempt to fix these yourselves is to take care inside the PSU. Even turned off and disconnected , these retain enough 's to give you a nasty jolt. The primary voltage is 120 in North America and 230 most places elsewhere. The PSU is auto-switching and the secondary voltage on the caps is 325 volts with enough energy to cause more than a nasty shock. Fuses are usually found in the primary circuit, but not in the secondary circuit. The fuse is there to protect the PSU from a converter failure (one of the four diodes) or an inverter failure (one of the switching transistors). The output of the PSU is protected by a crowbar circuit which temporarily places a short across the output, thereby causing the inverter to stop. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Burning 2 DVDs at a time
On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:08 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I already have all the rips I'm just talking about the burning with toast. This may be possible, but you'd need two separate Toast applications, and some applications don't like to have multiple versions running simultaneously. I used to use two separate Disk Utility applications simultaneously repairing separate drives and it worked fine. You'll have to see if you can get two Toasts and two burners going simultaneously, I suspect you can? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Burning 2 DVDs at a time
On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:49 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:08 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I already have all the rips I'm just talking about the burning with toast. This may be possible, but you'd need two separate Toast applications, and some applications don't like to have multiple versions running simultaneously. I used to use two separate Disk Utility applications simultaneously repairing separate drives and it worked fine. You'll have to see if you can get two Toasts and two burners going simultaneously, I suspect you can? I just did two with Toast 8 and Toast 10 on the PM G4 MDD Dual 1.25. But I did them compressed and that do e stake longer. Now I'll try two on the G5 Dual 2.7 no compression and see the exact time. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU?
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Power Mac G5: how to repair a broken PSU? Date:Freitag 04 Juni 2010N From:Deaner Lawless Jr. law...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Most likely the other components were capacitors. Readily available. Uses lead free solder. But have a high degree of difficulty. It does give me high hope of fixing two logic boards and two power supplies I've been pondering over. Nope, the other component was diode.My friend found that there were two of them in the high-energy part of the PSU that were secured with a fuse. The energy spike must have shorted the cicuit of the diode and gladly the fuse blew. He also thought a transistor wasn't right but kept this as a last option for the case it wouldn't work still. Must be a strange transistor since it works or he misinterpreted the multimeter readout. Anyway, that' what cause the loud “bang”: the diode that blew. And that's why I didn't hear a “click” anymore thereafter. All the capacitors were okay – visually checked, and since none where changed and it now works again: tested. One other thing: the fuse was standing so he had a hard time replacing it. Also it was close to a “crowded” area, little space for working. But what can I say? He must have gotten it right. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Mac won't boot up.
Is this a PM G4 Sawtooth? If you don't know what a sawtooth is, a PM G4 Sawtooth has like a cadet blue/greyish casing on it. If your PM G4 looks like this picture here: http://mikeandmalinda.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/g4.jpeg Then I have got to tell you something. I have the same exact thing with 2 gigs of RAM and Mac OS X Leopard. Here is what you can do. When I first got my PM G4 Sawtooth (iSaw), The HDD failed on the first week because of bad sectors. Basically, I went out and got myself a new 80GB HDD. Here are my suggestions: 1: If you have another mac with firewire, put your iSaw into Firewire target disk mode, and see what you can salvage on the mac. 2 Un-plug it and re-plug the connectors, and start the mac up pressing and holding: COMMAND+OPTION+P+R 3: Get a new HDD, bump it up to 2 GB Of RAM, and install Leopard, and then update it to 10.5.8, and then get a better video card. 4: Get a new HDD. Don't jump into conclusions yet. Try out method number 2 first. Sent from my Power mac G4 Sawtooth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
