Re: Plain text format
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 4:20 PM -0600 7/19/2010, Tina K. wrote: Amanda Ward wrote: Wasn't this supposed to go away? Yes, this thread has been killed twice now. PLEASE STOP! Take it off list if you must. This is not that other thread. Do you have an objection to a reasonable discussion about how fonting and such works in emails? It is not about Mac G hardware or one step removed. It is a good candidate for the Mac2Mac list or a list where people like to debate what plain text is while sending in rich text somewhere -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.youtube.com/fluxstringer http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com /in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
System: G4 Yikes with 400mhz Processor clocked to 450 / 750 mb memory. a PC keyboard hooked to the USB port. PC mouse hooked to the USB port. I got this processor from ebay. Says it is a 500 mhz G4. DId a one for one swap with the G4 on my Yikes board. (left jumpers at 450). Chime, But no video.No turn over to open firmware. (no cd boot, no disk activity at all) Cant zap pram (think it is because of the PC Keyboard) But should I need to? Swapped the 400 mhz processor back in, and I get video right away. Boot turns over to open firmware and up it comes. I am not changing any jumpers during the swap and I I have a no boot cpu and the original cpu that boots fine. STRONGLY SUSPECT I HAVE A BAD CPU. BUT!!! I am smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Is there something I am missing with this G4 - G4 swap? Thanks. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video. Thanks so much you guys.. You have always been here when I have needed help!!! Gus. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
From my own experience a Pram zap may be what you need however If you can swap in the Known working cpu and zap the ram that way then that may help you to find out whether or not you have a bad cpu and not a pc keyboard issue. On Jul 20, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Gus wrote: System: G4 Yikes with 400mhz Processor clocked to 450 / 750 mb memory. a PC keyboard hooked to the USB port. PC mouse hooked to the USB port. I got this processor from ebay. Says it is a 500 mhz G4. DId a one for one swap with the G4 on my Yikes board. (left jumpers at 450). Chime, But no video.No turn over to open firmware. (no cd boot, no disk activity at all) Cant zap pram (think it is because of the PC Keyboard) But should I need to? Swapped the 400 mhz processor back in, and I get video right away. Boot turns over to open firmware and up it comes. I am not changing any jumpers during the swap and I I have a no boot cpu and the original cpu that boots fine. STRONGLY SUSPECT I HAVE A BAD CPU. BUT!!! I am smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Is there something I am missing with this G4 - G4 swap? Thanks. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video. Thanks so much you guys.. You have always been here when I have needed help!!! Gus. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On 20/7/10 07:16, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: It is not about Mac G hardware or one step removed. It is a good candidate for the Mac2Mac list or a list where people like to debate what plain text is while sending in rich text somewhere It is about display anomalies in relatively recent messages on this list which is supposed to be exclusively plain text - specifically those that do not display as plain text in the recipient's mail client to display in a width and font other than those set in the client's preferences. I started it by querying the format which overrides my prefs so I guess you would call it technical support. I didn't know that you could use rich text for email - only plain or html - I learn something new everyday.but now I need a new client to do rich text.I am not much wiser but I am content for the thread to pass away without mourners. AFAIAC - As far as I am concerned (I left out an A). But I have an excuse... I'm old! JT Aaahh - right. Ditto - I'm an oldster too - 60 - I wonder what the average age of the list is? - I suppose low end mac is a little long in the tooth now...but that's perhaps chatting though I may plead the lesser charge of debating - and I think chatting is verboten on the list - brings out the bandwidth brownshirts with their upper case weapons and exclamation mark machine guns.given that analogy I suppose an illuminated drop cap would be a nuke. Fatuous use of the font's capabilities rather then the capabilities of the language in my opinion. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On 20/7/10 08:19, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: BUT!!! I am smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Is there something I am missing with this G4 - G4 swap? Thanks. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video No mention of the bus multipliers for the 100mhz bus - presumably the 450 cpu will have 4.5x and the 500 cpu will have 5x - or is that included with the system clock fiddling? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
pdimage wrote: On 20/7/10 08:19, Gusgusr...@comcast.net wrote: BUT!!! I am smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Is there something I am missing with this G4 - G4 swap? Thanks. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video No mention of the bus multipliers for the 100mhz bus - presumably the 450 cpu will have 4.5x and the 500 cpu will have 5x - or is that included with the system clock fiddling? Pete CUDA button? Usually needed after most new H/W, but certainly after a CPU swap... Ted -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
Cool Geke, Thanks for that info!!! I just got AGP PNY nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128 video card and an Airport Card for $32.00 off ebay, I am looking at a 2005 WD 160 7200rpm IDE 3.5 HD now for $45.00 total with the shipping! Is this HD too old (I heard the older ones failed)??? Also a Pioneer CD/DVD RW Burner Drive Writer DVR-118L for $40.00 total with the shipping too!!! Does all this sound like a good deal??? Thank You everyone for your input!!! I still have to find the memory yet... Hi Rich, Something's weird: You say the model number is M5183 (Sawtooth), but the other info you give fits to a Digital Audio. Here's a good page for specs and lots of links with upgrade tips: http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/digital-audio-power-mac-g4.html I think the main thing to improve is the HD. Don't worry about the size; you can partition them in chunks smaller than 120GB if necessary. Then you can install the system software and start using the computer. While working, you'll see what else is needed. If it's actually a 466MHz Digital Audio with 896MB, it's the same model I have, and I can tell you from experience that it runs Adobe DreamWeaver (CS3) under 10.4.11, not fast, but usable. Still, it would certainly be good to upgrade the RAM to the maximum 1.5GB. Be careful which RAM you buy: the modules should absolutely be low- density, and most of what is offered is high-density. I learned the hard way: One ebay-shop offered a 512MB stick labelled as low- density (12$) and another labelled as universal low-density (30$). When I asked them which to buy for my Mac, they advised the more expensive one. Somehow I was too dense to understand that they were fooling around with the descriptions, bought the cheaper module, and sure enough, it didn't work. So, if you can, try the module before buying it, because you may find working ones for about 12-15$ (I did once); if you can't try them first, play it safe and buy the more expensive ones. For the harddisk, I don't know if you need SATA; I'm using IDE (pATA) and have no problems. I don't know if it's easy to find a SATA-card for this model. But if it's similar to USB2-cards, beware: almost no card works properly! (After searching around for some time, I just bought a new case for my external harddisk: a model with both Firewire and USB-2 connections, so it's fast on my computer and on others.) I think the ATI rage 128 pro has two connectors: ADC, which works only with some Apple monitors, and VGA, which works with almost all PC monitors. So for starters, you can probably connect that HP screen. But if it has a DVI connector, you'll want to buy another graphics card. There are convertors from ADC to DVI, but they cost almost the same as a graphics card. I'm quite happy with the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro which I bought on ebay for about 40$; it has both ADC and DVI connectors. Good luck! I have a friend who has this G4 Power Mac M5183 tower and keyboard she doesn't have the monitor, she wants to upgrade this machine to it's full capacity and run Tiger 10.4.11 so she can do her web design work and it needs to be dual boot OS9.2.2 too... Ok the computer was built around July 2002 it has a 466mhz processor, 896mb (1-128mb/1-256mb/1-512mb) Scars only tell us where we have been, they do not have to dictate where we are going... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Power Mac M5183 up grades!!!
On Jul 20, 2010, at 6:12 AM, Richard Gerome wrote: Cool Geke, Thanks for that info!!! I just got AGP PNY nVidia GeForce FX 5200 128 video card and an Airport Card for $32.00 off ebay, I am looking at a 2005 WD 160 7200rpm IDE 3.5 HD now for $45.00 total with the shipping! Is this HD too old (I heard the older ones failed)??? Also a Pioneer CD/DVD RW Burner Drive Writer DVR-118L for $40.00 total with the shipping too!!! Does all this sound like a good deal??? Thank You everyone for your input!!! I still have to find the memory yet... Here's the good deal on the Pioneer4 118L. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129043 John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
At 12:19 AM -0700 7/20/2010, Gus wrote: G4 Yikes with 400mhz Processor clocked to 450 / 750 mb memory. a PC keyboard hooked to the USB port. PC mouse hooked to the USB port. I got this processor from ebay. Says it is a 500 mhz G4. DId a one for one swap with the G4 on my Yikes board. (left jumpers at 450). Chime, But no video. Cant zap pram (think it is because of the PC Keyboard) But should I need to? With the new CPU installed... Unplug the system. Pull the PRAM battery. Wait a minute. Reinstall the battery. Wait about 30 secs then press the CUDA button ONCE. That will both reset the PRAM and properly reboot the power manager. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video. Any time you make a change to the system, such as replacing the CPU or changing the clock speed, you need to reset the power manager (press and release the CUDA button ONCE). WRT the chime... That's the self-test telling you that the CPU, buses, and memory responded correctly. It has nothing to do with how the peripherals respond to the changed clock speeds. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:07 AM, pdimage wrote: On 20/7/10 07:16, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com wrote: It is not about Mac G hardware or one step removed. It is a good candidate for the Mac2Mac list or a list where people like to debate what plain text is while sending in rich text somewhere It is about display anomalies in relatively recent messages on this list which is supposed to be exclusively plain text - specifically those that do not display as plain text in the recipient's mail client to display in a width and font other than those set in the client's preferences. I started it by querying the format which overrides my prefs so I guess you would call it technical support. I didn't know that you could use rich text for email - only plain or html - I learn something new everyday.but now I need a new client to do rich text.I am not much wiser but I am content for the thread to pass away without mourners. I believe that RTF is a relatively late development as sort of a bridge between full blown type control and plain text. But like you, it can pass on as some here just don't know a lot about typography. OTOH, I understand exactly what Dan stated when he uses Lucida as a display font but the actual output when mailed defaults to Courier which is the plain text. AFAIAC - As far as I am concerned (I left out an A). But I have an excuse... I'm old! JT Aaahh - right. Ditto - I'm an oldster too - 60 - I wonder what the average age of the list is? - I suppose low end mac is a little long in the tooth now...but that's perhaps chatting though I may plead the lesser charge of debating - and I think chatting is verboten on the list - brings out the bandwidth brownshirts with their upper case weapons and exclamation mark machine guns.given that analogy I suppose an illuminated drop cap would be a nuke. Fatuous use of the font's capabilities rather then the capabilities of the language in my opinion. Heh... You're only a kid by my standards. Sometimes off topic, (officially), still can share knowledge or at the least some general information. I learn a lot of this list. I spent about thirty years in and out of the publishing biz in addition to process, (manufacturing), engineering, shipbuilding, aircraft structures, cinematography/film editing, a little stint in the army and even a year of technical support at Apple back in the 68xxx days just at the transition to the Power PC. Now, I'm a mastere slacker who is seldom up before 9am... JT TODAY: iPads for $23.74? SPECIAL REPORT: iPads are being auctioned for an incredible 80% off! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c45b89aaac01397835st01duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:59 AM, James Therrault wrote: OTOH, I understand exactly what Dan stated when he uses Lucida as a display font but the actual output when mailed defaults to Courier which is the plain text. There is no internet wide official default plain text font. Many devices default to courier or other monospace font, but there is no official default. All that is sent in plain text is the 7 bit (or 8) ASCII code for the individual letter. The receiving device sets the font or other output formatting. The receiving device can be set to output the ASCII code as Lucida, Courier, Zapf Chancery, Braille, punched paper tape, 80 column Hollerith cards, a ticker tape machine (yes, someone has kludged one to print out emails sent to it) or to speak each character. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
At 11:58 AM -0400 7/20/2010, Len Gerstel wrote: The receiving device can be set to output the ASCII code as Lucida, Courier, Zapf Chancery, Braille, punched paper tape, 80 column Hollerith cards, a ticker tape machine (yes, someone has kludged one to print out emails sent to it) or to speak each character. Email on paper tape could be interesting! Now I've got this whole Gomez Addams at his stock ticker image in my mind. Now and then I change the font selection... Chancery looks good. Dingbats can be a bit hard to read. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:59 AM, James Therrault wrote: I believe that RTF is a relatively late development as sort of a bridge between full blown type control and plain text. But like you, it can pass on as some here just don't know a lot about typography. RTF is about the only thing Microsoft ever did right, standards-wise, and predates HTML and such. It was introduced in 1987, and is an eminently useful standard for generating formatted text programmatically...in my day job I use it a lot to crank out printable reports and forms, especially ones that need to be modified by the end-user, which rules out PDF for the most part. (Also, if you aver need a simple, easy-to-parse and modify RTF document, to use as a template, for instance, WordPad from Windows 95 or 98 is unparalleled. Word, TextEdit, and most other word processors make enormously complex RTF files. Hello World in WordPad RTF is a few hundred bytes, in Word it's like 14 or 20K. I have an old copy of WordPad squirreled away in my XP vm just for that purpose.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Dan wrote: Email on paper tape could be interesting! Now I've got this whole Gomez Addams at his stock ticker image in my mind. Oh, man, that would be so cool...something akin to this: http://www.nycresistor.com/2010/04/06/nycrteletype/ Also, die, Dan, die, I now have the 'Addams Family' theme song earworming in my brain 8-) Now and then I change the font selection... Chancery looks good. Dingbats can be a bit hard to read. Playbill. Or a modern version of the old San Francisco font from the original Mac. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_(typeface) Or Chicago. I still see Chicago all the time in ads and in commercials, too. It's had an amazing lifetime for a font designed to be a bitmap. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On Jul 20, 4:11 am, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: On 20/7/10 08:19, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: BUT!!! I am smart enough to know that I don't know everything. Is there something I am missing with this G4 - G4 swap? Thanks. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video No mention of the bus multipliers for the 100mhz bus - presumably the 450 cpu will have 4.5x and the 500 cpu will have 5x - or is that included with the system clock fiddling? Pete Right. I am using a chart I got from OWC that tells what the jumper settings should be for the different clock speeds. The bus speed and pci speed stays the same while you change the cpu multiples from x4, x4.5, x5.0 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
Looks like another interminable session of comments about something the Nannies have explained over and over why it's a no no. When will it end? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went. --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On Jul 20, 9:02 am, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 12:19 AM -0700 7/20/2010, Gus wrote: G4 Yikes with 400mhz Processor clocked to 450 / 750 mb memory. a PC keyboard hooked to the USB port. PC mouse hooked to the USB port. I got this processor from ebay. Says it is a 500 mhz G4. DId a one for one swap with the G4 on my Yikes board. (left jumpers at 450). Chime, But no video. Cant zap pram (think it is because of the PC Keyboard) But should I need to? With the new CPU installed... Unplug the system. Pull the PRAM battery. Wait a minute. Reinstall the battery. Wait about 30 secs then press the CUDA button ONCE. That will both reset the PRAM and properly reboot the power manager. For grins, I did drop the system clock from 400.. then up to 500 No change with the 500 mhz g4, Still chimes, no video. Any time you make a change to the system, such as replacing the CPU or changing the clock speed, you need to reset the power manager (press and release the CUDA button ONCE). WRT the chime... That's the self-test telling you that the CPU, buses, and memory responded correctly. It has nothing to do with how the peripherals respond to the changed clock speeds. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. Okay. Powered down. Pulled the known good cpu. (didn't change any clock settings). Put the known good cpu in. (secured heatsink ect) Removed the battery. Pressed cuda button (once) (for about three seconds). (the cuda button is still in the same place as the bw Yosemite board, closest to the battery. Gave it a power up. Still the same. Post chime the disk activity leds light for a few seconds, then go out first one, then the other. repeated steps above with the inclusion of a remove power cord and let it set for 10 mins. same results put the known good 450 in. booted machine, came here and wrote these findings. Anything else I should try before I tell this guy his cpu doesn't work. I want to be sure of this. (much appreciate your time in this) Gus -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Gus wrote: Anything else I should try before I tell this guy his cpu doesn't work. I want to be sure of this. Disconnect the power cord AND remove the PRAM battery, THEN press the CUDA. If you haven't changed the jumpers, it's likely that could be the problem? You need to move the jumper from the 4th position to the 3rd position: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/g4yikesoc/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
okay.. unpluged everything. removed everything from the usb bus but the keyboard and mouse. changed the chip. changed the jumper. removed the battery. Let it sit for 30 mins. pressed the cuda button for five seconds. put the battery back in. Chime. No Video. Turned it off. Pulled the 500 mhz chip and put the 400 mhz chip back in with jumper settings for a 450mhz. booted up fine. On Jul 20, 1:23 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Gus wrote: Anything else I should try before I tell this guy his cpu doesn't work. I want to be sure of this. Disconnect the power cord AND remove the PRAM battery, THEN press the CUDA. If you haven't changed the jumpers, it's likely that could be the problem? You need to move the jumper from the 4th position to the 3rd position: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G4ZONE/g4yikesoc/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Change machine specific installer requirements
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Change machine specific installer requirements Date:Dienstag 20 Juli 2010N From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com So you have a machine with no media... What are your options? Not just one… I got: - G3 BW “Yosemite” @ 350 MHz - G4 AGP @ 400 MHz (now upgraded to Dual-450 MHz) - G4 AGP (what I believed to be a GE, but actually is an AGP) @ 1.4 GHz - G4 QS (original) @ 733 MHz (now upgraded to Dual-800 MHz) - G4 MDD @ Dual-1.0 GHz (now upgraded to Dual-1.42 GHz) - G5 “Late 2005” Dual-Core 2.0 GHz All the G4s and the G3 I recieved literally out of the trash. The G3 was such an example. The G4s where in good working oder, but all of them without accessories like manual or discs. The G5 was bought by me and it came in the original packing, including all accessories. Now, the software. I bought: - Mac OS X 10.3 + 10.4 Upgrade + Mac OS 9.2.2 (eMac version) at fastmac.com - Mac OS X 10.2 on eBay (retail, all in the original box, looks very okay). - Mac OS X 10.5.4 family version (5 licenses), new. - Mac OS 9.0.4 (“Power Mac G4” – but which one?) on eBay (only the discs). Dispite selecting “german version” for Mac OS 9.2.2 from fastmac.com, I recieved the english version. Well, I didn't complain, since fastmac is in the U.S. and I'm in Europe. It wouldn't have been worth the effort. Mac OS 9.0.4 is also the english version. Mac OS X 10.2 is retail, so I can install it on any *one* Mac I desire. Mac OS X 10.3 from fastmac.com is all grey discs, with “eMac” written on them. The Tiger upgrade has “CPU Drop In DVD” written on it. So I can install 10.3 *or* 10.4 on any *one* Mac I desire, although I'm not 100% sure about this due to the grey discs and the “eMac” labelling. But since I bought it from fastmac.com!?!? So I run 10.4 on my G3 BW Yosemite 350 MHz and I have a legal feeling about it. I can install 10.5 on five Macs, so I did that. Works well on the G4 AGP with Dual-450 MHz CPU, but not very well on single 400 MHz CPU (which I don't use anymore, since all are upgraded now except the G3, which doesn't run 10.5 anyways). I still don't have a german version of Mac OS 9 for my Macs. Original Mac OS versions: * Power Mac G4 BW 350 MHz: Mac OS 8.5.1 or 8.6 * Power Mac G4 AGP 400 MHz: Mac OS 8.6 * Power Mac G4 QS 733 MHz: Mac OS 9.2 + Mac OS X 10.0 * Power Mac G4 MDD Dual-1.0 GHz: Mac OS 9.2.2 + Mac OS X 10.2 So: I could install Mac OS 9.2 on the QS (because it is licensed so). Or I could install my retail copy of Mac OS X 10.2 on the G4 MDD *additionally* to an other Mac, since the MDD includes the license for 10.2 anyway. The official thing to do would be to contact Apple and ask for replacement media. They have 'em! Ya just gotta pay for shipping. I will try that. It will be fun, I'll have them combine the shippment costs to one package for all my lost media. Only, I seriously doupt that Apple has original media laying around for people like me. Or, if you already have a like machine, you could use its media. Did that as good as I could, but mostly I'm running 10.5 on machines that cope with it. Then there are the gray market pulls... If someone has a dead Mac, that they're parting out... it's a bit of a gray area, but semi-legal to purchase that dead Mac's media for your like-mac. The key here is that Apple doesn't pursue these cases... Had no lock with that. Especially Mac OS 9 and prior is hard the get in the German language. As always, many thanks. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On 20/7/10 21:27, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: okay.. unpluged everything. removed everything from the usb bus but the keyboard and mouse. changed the chip. changed the jumper. removed the battery. Let it sit for 30 mins. pressed the cuda button for five seconds. put the battery back in. Chime. No Video. Turned it off. Pulled the 500 mhz chip and put the 400 mhz chip back in with jumper settings for a 450mhz. booted up fine. Have you tried booting it from an install disk? Is there just no video or do the hd's fail to spin up too? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:59 AM, James Therrault wrote: OTOH, I understand exactly what Dan stated when he uses Lucida as a display font but the actual output when mailed defaults to Courier which is the plain text. There is no internet wide official default plain text font. Many devices default to courier or other monospace font, but there is no official default. All that is sent in plain text is the 7 bit (or 8) ASCII code for the individual letter. The receiving device sets the font or other output formatting. Gz, are some of you that dense??? I speaking of typography NOT internet. The receiving device can be set to output the ASCII code as Lucida, Courier, Zapf Chancery, Braille, punched paper tape, 80 column Hollerith cards, a ticker tape machine (yes, someone has kludged one to print out emails sent to it) or to speak each character. Agreed. Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Dan wrote: At 11:58 AM -0400 7/20/2010, Len Gerstel wrote: The receiving device can be set to output the ASCII code as Lucida, Courier, Zapf Chancery, Braille, punched paper tape, 80 column Hollerith cards, a ticker tape machine (yes, someone has kludged one to print out emails sent to it) or to speak each character. Email on paper tape could be interesting! Now I've got this whole Gomez Addams at his stock ticker image in my mind. Now and then I change the font selection... Chancery looks good. Yeah... I can remember (Zaph) Chancery being the cat's **s back in the infancy days of desktop publishing. It's hard to think of a font family that was more abused. Personally, I did several newsletters featuring Optima, not commonly used but quite readable... JT Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner Is! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c4618a78dffe3468a2st04vuc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:59 AM, James Therrault wrote: I believe that RTF is a relatively late development as sort of a bridge between full blown type control and plain text. But like you, it can pass on as some here just don't know a lot about typography. RTF is about the only thing Microsoft ever did right, standards- wise, and predates HTML and such. It was introduced in 1987, and is an eminently useful standard for generating formatted text programmatically...in my day job I use it a lot to crank out printable reports and forms, especially ones that need to be modified by the end-user, which rules out PDF for the most part. (Also, if you aver need a simple, easy-to-parse and modify RTF document, to use as a template, for instance, WordPad from Windows 95 or 98 is unparalleled. Word, TextEdit, and most other word processors make enormously complex RTF files. Hello World in WordPad RTF is a few hundred bytes, in Word it's like 14 or 20K. I have an old copy of WordPad squirreled away in my XP vm just for that purpose.) Thanks for the update Bruce. I didn't realize that it (RTF) came about that early. Back then I was up to my neck with PageMaker, Linotype etc where precise type control was needed. Certainly, RTF does provide even the novice user with pretty good type control but it never did really fit my needs and of course it wasn't available to Mac users until later. There needs to be an emphasis on the difference between word processing and true desktop publishing. JT Get Free Email with Video Mail Video Chat! http://www.netzero.net/freeemail?refcd=NZTAGOUT1FREM0210 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On 7/20/10 12:24 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Also, if you aver need a simple, easy-to-parse and modify RTF document, to use as a template, for instance, WordPad from Windows 95 or 98 is unparalleled. Word, TextEdit, and most other word processors make enormously complex RTF files. Hello World in WordPad RTF is a few hundred bytes, in Word it's like 14 or 20K. I have an old copy of WordPad squirreled away in my XP vm just for that purpose.) Yes, from an era, when economy in programming was a virtue. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
I only get the chime, It doesn't size the system or get into OF. No boot process at all starts. Thanks for your reply. Gus. On Jul 20, 4:20 pm, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: On 20/7/10 21:27, Gus gusr...@comcast.net wrote: okay.. unpluged everything. removed everything from the usb bus but the keyboard and mouse. changed the chip. changed the jumper. removed the battery. Let it sit for 30 mins. pressed the cuda button for five seconds. put the battery back in. Chime. No Video. Turned it off. Pulled the 500 mhz chip and put the 400 mhz chip back in with jumper settings for a 450mhz. booted up fine. Have you tried booting it from an install disk? Is there just no video or do the hd's fail to spin up too? Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, James Therrault wrote: Certainly, RTF does provide even the novice user with pretty good type control but it never did really fit my needs and of course it wasn't available to Mac users until later. RTF was supported on the Mac as of Word 3 iirc, and I know for a fact that I opened RTF docs using WriteNow back in the OS 7 days; that's how I transferred things from Word on the PC's at work. There needs to be an emphasis on the difference between word processing and true desktop publishing. Or in my case formatting database query results plus static text into downloadable RTF documents accessed via Perl CGI scripts. :-) I'm also doing PDF on the fly for documents that don't need to be modified, also programmatically via perl. But you're correct: RTF is a word processing interoperability format, not a desktop publishing format. RTF files retain simple formatting, table structures, etc, but the same file can look wildly different in different programs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:14 PM, onelucent wrote: On 7/20/10 12:24 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: (Also, if you aver need a simple, easy-to-parse and modify RTF document, to use as a template, for instance, WordPad from Windows 95 or 98 is unparalleled. Word, TextEdit, and most other word processors make enormously complex RTF files. Hello World in WordPad RTF is a few hundred bytes, in Word it's like 14 or 20K. I have an old copy of WordPad squirreled away in my XP vm just for that purpose.) Yes, from an era, when economy in programming was a virtue. Yes and no. The huge amount of other stuff included with modern Word-generated RTF docs support a lot more features than do those emitted by WordPad. An RTF doc generated by Word 2008 is more likely to look the same in TextEdit than one generated by WordPad. There is a lot of cruft that could be excised from any given document, but given the structure of an RTF file, it's easier just to dump a huge generic prolog into the document than try to optimize it for an extreme lower boundary casewhen you look at a 200-page RTF document that few kb difference is a lot less noticeable...all that complexity is front-loaded. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
On Jul 20, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, James Therrault wrote: Certainly, RTF does provide even the novice user with pretty good type control but it never did really fit my needs and of course it wasn't available to Mac users until later. RTF was supported on the Mac as of Word 3 iirc, and I know for a fact that I opened RTF docs using WriteNow back in the OS 7 days; that's how I transferred things from Word on the PC's at work. There needs to be an emphasis on the difference between word processing and true desktop publishing. Or in my case formatting database query results plus static text into downloadable RTF documents accessed via Perl CGI scripts. :-) I'm also doing PDF on the fly for documents that don't need to be modified, also programmatically via perl. But you're correct: RTF is a word processing interoperability format, not a desktop publishing format. RTF files retain simple formatting, table structures, etc, but the same file can look wildly different in different programs. Exactly. I think that the only version of Word I ever owned was 1 or 2 and that was simply for inputting text from clients with PC(s) back in the early days. Back the MacWrite really sucked and Word wasn't far behind. We sure have come a long way since then... JT Penny Stock Jumping 2000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4c462b1f835653a9c27st01duc -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Plain text format
- Original Message From: James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com Heh... You're only a kid by my standards. Sometimes off topic, (officially), still can share knowledge or at the least some general information. I learn a lot of this list. I spent about thirty years in and out of the publishing biz in addition to process, (manufacturing), engineering, shipbuilding, aircraft structures, cinematography/film editing, a little stint in the army and even a year of technical support at Apple back in the 68xxx days just at the transition to the Power PC. Now, I'm a mastere slacker who is seldom up before 9am... Ahh, yes my goal at this time is to retire from my 35 year old printing and graphic arts business and become a 9 AM wake-up guy. My hat is off to you! My credentials are not the same as yours but I do have a BSE in Aerospace and worked in a shipyard building submarines, also did some Newsreel film work while in my 20's. Your are right about the Zapf Chancery craze, sorta like the Souvenir typeface (AKA fonts) obsession of the 1970-80's. Souvenir predated but became but became a part of the DTP revolution of fonts with the earlyl Mac's. Just a little history or fonts from my experience. To keep this on topic I guess you can receive emails in Zapf or Souvenir if you really want to. ;-) --glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Yikes G4, Can The Computer Chime and still have a Bad CPU?
On Jul 20, 2010, at 3:27 PM, Gus wrote: Chime. No Video. After the chime is there any sign that the HD is working like it's booting normally? Can you use keyboard commands to initiate Shutdown or Restart? (Control-Eject and then Return for shutdown; OR Command-Control-Eject for immediate restart; OR Command-Option-Control-Eject for immediate shutdown). If any of these keyboard commands for shutdown or restart work, you're booting normally and have no video. I don't think this is likely, but I also don't think a bad CPU will chime normally, so you've got a enigma. This page http://eshop.macsales.com/tech_center/index.cfm?page=zif/bwjumpers.html has more complete jumper settings, and says: Some indications of too high a clock speed are instability, crashing, video artifacts, NO VIDEO, no start chime. I'm thinking perhaps the jumpers are wrong still? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
