Re: Last gasp for G3 OS9 Browser - please help
Kris, I think you're thinking of the later G3 iMacs. For a G3 333MHZ iMac, because of lack of FireWire ports, you can only run up to 10.3.9. Unless you use a tool like XPostFacto, in which case you could run 10.4.11. The ram maxes out at 512MB. Yes, you can install up to 10.4.11, but you'd better max out the RAM at 1 GB, and even then you won't get any smooth video playback in OS X, but for general browsing it would probably suffice. -- -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Last gasp for G3 OS9 Browser - please help
JML, I've put OSX 10.4.x on the old iMac G3's. It takes a little hacking to do it, but it will work. OSX 10.3.x will install without hacking. Doug Portland, OR On Aug 18, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jonas Lopez wrote: Last use for G3 333 MHz Blueberry. Can any OS X run on this? I am now running OS 9 with the only browser that works poorly is CLASSILLA - do you know of any better one? Real in need of help. Thanks, JML -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Selling software?
Is it legal to sell software that you have purchased from Apple, for instance? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Last gasp for G3 OS9 Browser - please help
On Aug 18, 2012, at 11:40 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Kris, I think you're thinking of the later G3 iMacs. For a G3 333MHZ iMac, because of lack of FireWire ports, you can only run up to 10.3.9. Unless you use a tool like XPostFacto, in which case you could run 10.4.11. The ram maxes out at 512MB. Yes, I forgot, but that limitation because of the Firewire ports is totally artificial, and once installed, 10.4.11 runs without XPostFacto or any other limitations other than those already present. Using XPostFacto may be the easiest way to install onto these, but you don't need to install XPF onto the clean installation of OS X. Other options for installing include: creating a custom install disc with a modified OSInstall.dist file that's missing the system check; booting from USB HD with a cloned installer containing the modified OSInstall.dist; booting an OS X system from USB and cloning it onto the internal HD; removing the internal HD and installing OS X on another Mac or external enclosure and transfer the HD back again. There are some others, such as using Pacifist to install; or cloning the installer disc onto a partition of the internal HD using OS 9 (need special version of Disk Copy, v.6.5b13 to clone OS X) and then modify the file from OS 9 and boot the OS X installer. I'm not sure about the RAM, I thought you could use two 512MB SoDimm modules, but it appears you're correct and there's some other limitation that restricts it to 512MB total. Looking at all these limitations, I'd say it's probably time to give up on this old Mac and get something newer. People give me old computers for free that are way better than this, and I turned down a whole pallet of these simply because their day has past us by. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
-- Original message -- Subject: Selling software? Date:Thursday, 16. August 2012 From:John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com To: List G3-5 g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Is it legal to sell software that you have purchased from Apple, for instance? Thanks That depends on the current legal practice in your country, I guess. I come from Austria: in a lot of European countries it is the law that you are allowed to resell software that you purchased, whatever an EULA may tell you. This is even the case if you only have the right to USE a software (as opposed to OWN a binary form of it). Companies like Apple, Microsoft, /you name it/ may not be happy about it, but they cannot act against prevailing case law in a country where they sell their products. It is only natural that Apple starts to sell their software exclusively via their own AppStore… It is way easier to control a purchase that is linked to a specific customer account than one sold in “hard copy” form like on a CD/DVD that can easily be sold second hand. I don’t know exactly how this is handled in other parts of the world… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
That depends on the current legal practice in your country, I guess. I come from Austria: in a lot of European countries it is the law that you are allowed to resell software that you purchased, whatever an EULA may tell you. Printed books are possibly a good model for software (which often incorporates a printed or printable manual with the product). British law held that books may not be resold or transferred to others as this prevention of resale or transfer served to preserve the income stream for the publisher, and the royalties payable to the author, as another user was required to buy yet another copy of the book for his use. American law held that the initial sale of books resulted in a complete transfer with no further obligation to the publisher or author, therefore there was no intent to preserve the income stream to the publisher or author during any subsequent use. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
Il giorno 19-08-2012 16:57, peterh...@cruzio.com ha scritto: British law held that books may not be resold or transferred to others as this prevention of resale or transfer served to preserve the income stream for the publisher Funny thing is, anywhere in the UK there are charity shops where you find anything donated and for sale, books included. How this situation comply with the law mentioned above? Is perhaps that law obsolete? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
10 years ago I bought a lot of software and associated hardware on LEM Swap list. I always made sure I got the original codes. I believe non had been registered before, which was common in those days before all software demanded a call home.. Sometimes I would buy an unregistered seat license. Also common then. It was policy then that SW that had been registered could be abandoned by the registrant by a letter or email to the publisher. And transferred to another user.\ On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM, John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.comwrote: Is it legal to sell software that you have purchased from Apple, for instance? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Adrian D'Alessio aka; Fluxstringer fluxstrin...@gmail.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/fluxstreamcommunication/ http://www.facebook.com/FluxStringer http://www.linkedin.com/in/fluxstreamcommunications http://flux-influx.blogspot.com/ http://fluxdreams.designbinder.com/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
Funny thing is, anywhere in the UK there are charity shops where you find anything donated and for sale, books included. How this situation comply with the law mentioned above? Is perhaps that law obsolete? Laws have changed with many of the changes being self-serving, such as the so-called Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act which served Walt Disney Company by extending the copyright on Mickey Mouse, and others, as these were about to go public domain. It is possible that an exemption exists for charity shops as who, in all good conscience, would expect a subsistance-living person to pay the retail price, again, for what is really a used book. I personally know quite a number of very wealthy persons for whom so-called thrift shops serve as a source of used, but still quite serviceable, high-fashion apparel of all kinds. These same folks often buy Mercedes-Benz and other high-end cars on the used market, thereby saving considerably, as someone else has already paid for the first several years' depreciation. Some of those folks who have M-B 240D and 300SD cars are still driving them, and a 240D could be 35 years old. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Selling software?
Yes IF you sell the license with it. JT On Aug 15, 2012, at 8:13 PM, John Callahan wrote: Is it legal to sell software that you have purchased from Apple, for instance? Thanks -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:35 PM, D. Fabel wrote: Hey all! New to the group. I just learned about Apple's discontinuing their redirects in iTunes. Wow... Or should I say, Ouch! While I'm glad I can still find and add streams to play, it is tedious to locate and replace them manually. Does anyone have any recommendations for adding streams back in bulk? Thanks, Doug Portland, OR As Apple does more and more to attempt to force us to dump our PPC Mac's into the recycle bin, I am so glad that I have other alternative operating systems, at least one of which is still actively developed, to run on these machines, which are still very capable of meeting all my computing needs. It pisses me off to learn of each new service that Apple denies to PPC Mac owners, and even some things that they deny to early Intel Mac owners. It is ridiculous that they discontinue support for their computers so quickly and abandon the owners of Mac products far too soon. AmigaDave 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook's MacOSX 10.5.8 MorphOS3.1, Dual 1.25GHz G4 MDD PowerMac Over-Clocked to 1.58GHz single G4 MorphOS3.1 and Dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac MacOSX 10.5.8 Ubuntu PPC -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
At 1:17 PM -0700 8/19/2012, David W. Morris wrote: As Apple does more and more to attempt to force us to dump our PPC Mac's into the recycle bin, I am so glad that I have other alternative operating systems, at least one of which is still actively developed, to run on these machines, which are still very capable of meeting all my computing needs. It pisses me off to learn of each new service that Apple denies to PPC Mac owners, and even some things that they deny to early Intel Mac owners. It is ridiculous that they discontinue support for their computers so quickly and abandon the owners of Mac products far too soon. Perhaps you should take the time to actually read the threads about this issue. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POWERPC SUPPORT. This is a change that Apple made in the streaming radio section of iTunes ON THEIR SERVERS. It affects ALL iTunes users, not just ppc users. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
At 2:35 PM -0700 8/18/2012, D. Fabel wrote: [html removed] I just learned about Apple's discontinuing their redirects in iTunes. Wow... Or should I say, Ouch! While I'm glad I can still find and add streams to play, it is tedious to locate and replace them manually. Does anyone have any recommendations for adding streams back in bulk? I suppose you could sort your list to gather up the streams together, for a single mass delete. But afaik, there can be no bulk correction. The URLs were indexed abbreviations that now have to be replaced on a station by station basis. It's a PITA to re-drag, but it can be done. I did a dozen+, and discovered that quite a few of my favs are simply not listed there anymore! The moral, I think, is not just not trust Apple. In the future, if you like a station, go visit their web site, bookmark it, and grab the playlist from there. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Dan wrote: Perhaps you should take the time to actually read the threads about this issue. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POWERPC SUPPORT. This is a change that Apple made in the streaming radio section of iTunes ON THEIR SERVERS. It affects ALL iTunes users, not just ppc users. No, I think this is wrong. It's only on the OLD versions of iTunes, such as the last PPC G3 version 8.2.1(6) that this affects. My new Intel Macs, or for that matter, my PPC G5 that runs the latest version of iTunes 10.6.3(25) has no problems with the radio stations. What makes me mad is that if I share my entire iTunes from my G5 to my G3, I had assume it would share the radio playlist and I could either use it directly via sharing, or drag drop or export the working playlist into the older iTunes to recreate a new working radio playlist for the G3, but somehow radio isn't included when you select share my entire iTunes library option. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
At 7:37 PM -0500 8/19/2012, Kris Tilford wrote: On Aug 19, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Dan wrote: Perhaps you should take the time to actually read the threads about this issue. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POWERPC SUPPORT. This is a change that Apple made in the streaming radio section of iTunes ON THEIR SERVERS. It affects ALL iTunes users, not just ppc users. No, I think this is wrong. It's only on the OLD versions of iTunes, such as the last PPC G3 version 8.2.1(6) that this affects. My new Intel Macs, or for that matter, my PPC G5 that runs the latest version of iTunes 10.6.3(25) has no problems with the radio stations. I've got a 3 week old MacBook Pro here that has the problem. Are you looking at the stations as presented in the live Library Radio category, or stations that you've dragged to playlists? The former will show no problem - Apple simply changed the URLs. The latter, in the playlists, show the problem. Those are saved items, that are not dynamically updated. What makes me mad is that if I share my entire iTunes from my G5 to my G3, I had assume it would share the radio playlist and I could either use it directly via sharing, or drag drop or export the working playlist into the older iTunes to recreate a new working radio playlist for the G3, but somehow radio isn't included when you select share my entire iTunes library option. The Library Radio category is live in that it's fetched from Apple's servers when you click the triangles to open the subcategories. It is not shared. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Dan wrote: I've got a 3 week old MacBook Pro here that has the problem. Are you looking at the stations as presented in the live Library Radio category, or stations that you've dragged to playlists? I'm looking at the preset stations that Apple provided in iTunes, I have zero stations that I've added to iTunes. On my PPC G5, and all Macs running iTunes v.10.6.3(25) I have no problems with any of the Apple provided stations. On all my G3 Macs running the final G3 version of iTunes 8.2.1(6) I have no radio stations now. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes redirects
At 8:54 PM -0500 8/19/2012, Kris Tilford wrote: On all my G3 Macs running the final G3 version of iTunes 8.2.1(6) I have no radio stations now. I've the same iTunes on my Smurf, and it's showing stations - all updated to the new URLs. Perhaps you have some sort of refresh problem? Have you tried quitting iTunes, deleting any caches it has created, and relaunching? How 'bout trashing its plist? One symptom I've noticed, while playing with this tonite... On my QS, running iTunes 9.2.1, as soon as I hit the triangle to open the subcategory, the top area of the window says refreshing then 5 to 10 seconds later, the list shows up. On my new MBP, I barely have time to read refreshing before the list shows up. On my Smurf, sometimes the list just opens as-is and sometimes it says refreshing, then there's the 5 to 10 sec lag before the updated list appears. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
