upgrade eMac
I have an eMac with 10.3.3 I understand that I must upgrade to 10.3.9 before I can go to Tiger. Maybe not true. Should it be , I don`t know how to upgrade to to 10.3.9. Any help appreciated. Gene H -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: upgrade eMac
On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Gene Henley mhenl...@verizon.net wrote: I have an eMac with 10.3.3 I understand that I must upgrade to 10.3.9 before I can go to Tiger. Maybe not true. Not true. No Apple system ever required you have the preevious system version installed and updated until 10.7 (which required 10.6.8 for access to the App Store) You can install 10.4 on a completely blank disk. Should it be , I don`t know how to upgrade to to 10.3.9. Any help appreciated. If you DO what to update to 10.3.9, just download the combo updater from apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL496 -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
is there still a G3-5 list?
Bruce, I went to Google Groups and can't find the G3-5 list. I sent this post to g3-5-list group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com: Stats: G4 flat screen goose neck iMac running 10.4; I am the administrator, but a teenage girl has an account. She has the only Mac computer in the house. There is a Windows computer and a couple iPads and iPods sharing the network. The iMac turns itself on. That did NOT happen at my house! How can I figure out how this is happening and if someone has hacked into it? Jane But I can't find where the post landed! have you seen it? jane Jane -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Upgrade to what
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Other thought - a modern mac will have the best hardware guarantees, and it is possible (though maybe not strictly legal) to make Leopard virtual machines under VirtualBox, running on MountainLion. So you'd have the OS you're used to, running at the speed of an up-to-date bit of hardware. And you'd have the opportunity to buy modern versions of your software as and when you want or can afford to. Actually it is legal. It is legal to run Mac OS X under a real Mac, provided you acquired a license to do so. This means that you have to buy Snow Leopard in addition to the Mac that comes with e.g. Lion or Montain Lion. Strictly speaking it is only legal for 10.6 server, or 10.7 and 10.8, per Apple's user license agreements. First, Apple's license is not in itself 100% legal. They cannot forbid something that is your right by the law. (Actually they can, but then it isn't something to abide). Second, the license for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard clearly states, that it can only be installed on a Mac. So, if you install Snow Leopard in VirtualBox on a Mac, you hereby follow the license. You are however restricted to installing each license only once, i.e. you cannot run Snow Leopard in VirtualBox while running VirtualBox on the same license Snow Leopard itself. That would be illegal. However, if you have a familiy license (up to 5 Macs in a household) you could even do that. Practically, so long as you you don't enter into business as a Mac clone dealer, Apple doesn't really seem to care; they've taken no action as far as I can tell against any site offering instructions or software to do this unless they're distributing modified copies of OSX, which really isn't necessary any more, and hasn't been for some time. I think what you are referring to is running Mac OS X virtualized inside a VM (like Parallels, Vmware, Virtual PC or VirtualBox) on anything other than a Mac. That's clearly forbidden by the license. Since 10.7 it is also illegal in Europe… the EULA /used/ /to/ /be/ invalid in this regard, so a customer who bought Mac OS X in the store until 10.6 was legal to install it on any computer no matter what. A hackintosh with 10.4/10.5/10.6 may therefor be completely legal in Europe, provided the retail OS was bought. Since 10.7 OS X can only be downloaded, a customer has to agree to the license BEFORE buying – hereby making this part (only on a Mac) valid even in Europe. See this for example http://www.kakewalk.se/ I didn't look at it yet. They even tell you exactly what to buy to maximize ease of installation; but note, they're not selling anything, nor are they pointing to downloads of OSX. I expect the owner of the site is getting a fair bit of kickback from the Amazon links. I think that's always legal. How to do something that isn't exactly wanted by the company who sell it without providing the means – also called hacks – cannot be illegal. I would call it good journalism… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: is there still a G3-5 list?
Well I got this message via the list, so yes it still exists! On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:01 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote: Bruce, I went to Google Groups and can't find the G3-5 list. It's called the 'G-Group' https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/g3-5-list I sent this post to g3-5-list group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com: Stats: G4 flat screen goose neck iMac running 10.4; I am the administrator, but a teenage girl has an account. She has the only Mac computer in the house. There is a Windows computer and a couple iPads and iPods sharing the network. The iMac turns itself on. That did NOT happen at my house! How can I figure out how this is happening and if someone has hacked into it? First thing I'd check is to see if it's been set to turn on automatically at some time; this is in the schedule section of the Enerygy Saver prefs; at least in 10.8 it is; I haven't been on a system running 10.4 in a dogs age, but I'm pretty sure it's in there, or maybe it's own preferences pane. This may be settable by a non-administrator. Also, don't discount the simplest explanations…something bumped the button on the side, pretty easy to do, actually, on a G4 iMac. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Upgrade to what
I mean, it's not as if the Apple commandos will break down your door if you violate the EULA. As for what to upgrade to, be on the lookout for Mac Pro 1,1s (from 2006). The dual-dual models are still quite fast, and you can upgrade to dual-quads for about $100 in eBay CPUs. Craigslist turns these up frequently. On Jun 21, 2013 4:27 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Jun 8, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Upgrade to what Date:Saturday, 08. June 2013 From:Bruce Ryan bruce.r...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Other thought - a modern mac will have the best hardware guarantees, and it is possible (though maybe not strictly legal) to make Leopard virtual machines under VirtualBox, running on MountainLion. So you'd have the OS you're used to, running at the speed of an up-to-date bit of hardware. And you'd have the opportunity to buy modern versions of your software as and when you want or can afford to. Actually it is legal. It is legal to run Mac OS X under a real Mac, provided you acquired a license to do so. This means that you have to buy Snow Leopard in addition to the Mac that comes with e.g. Lion or Montain Lion. Strictly speaking it is only legal for 10.6 server, or 10.7 and 10.8, per Apple's user license agreements. First, Apple's license is not in itself 100% legal. They cannot forbid something that is your right by the law. (Actually they can, but then it isn't something to abide). Second, the license for Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard clearly states, that it can only be installed on a Mac. So, if you install Snow Leopard in VirtualBox on a Mac, you hereby follow the license. You are however restricted to installing each license only once, i.e. you cannot run Snow Leopard in VirtualBox while running VirtualBox on the same license Snow Leopard itself. That would be illegal. However, if you have a familiy license (up to 5 Macs in a household) you could even do that. Practically, so long as you you don't enter into business as a Mac clone dealer, Apple doesn't really seem to care; they've taken no action as far as I can tell against any site offering instructions or software to do this unless they're distributing modified copies of OSX, which really isn't necessary any more, and hasn't been for some time. I think what you are referring to is running Mac OS X virtualized inside a VM (like Parallels, Vmware, Virtual PC or VirtualBox) on anything other than a Mac. That's clearly forbidden by the license. Since 10.7 it is also illegal in Europe… the EULA /used/ /to/ /be/ invalid in this regard, so a customer who bought Mac OS X in the store until 10.6 was legal to install it on any computer no matter what. A hackintosh with 10.4/10.5/10.6 may therefor be completely legal in Europe, provided the retail OS was bought. Since 10.7 OS X can only be downloaded, a customer has to agree to the license BEFORE buying – hereby making this part (only on a Mac) valid even in Europe. See this for example http://www.kakewalk.se/ I didn't look at it yet. They even tell you exactly what to buy to maximize ease of installation; but note, they're not selling anything, nor are they pointing to downloads of OSX. I expect the owner of the site is getting a fair bit of kickback from the Amazon links. I think that's always legal. How to do something that isn't exactly wanted by the company who sell it without providing the means – also called hacks – cannot be illegal. I would call it good journalism… Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to
Re: is there still a G3-5 list?
On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Stats: G4 flat screen goose neck iMac running 10.4; I am the administrator, but a teenage girl has an account. She has the only Mac computer in the house. There is a Windows computer and a couple iPads and iPods sharing the network. The iMac turns itself on. That did NOT happen at my house! How can I figure out how this is happening and if someone has hacked into it? First thing I'd check is to see if it's been set to turn on automatically at some time; this is in the schedule section of the Enerygy Saver prefs; at least in 10.8 it is; I haven't been on a system running 10.4 in a dogs age, but I'm pretty sure it's in there, or maybe it's own preferences pane. This may be settable by a non-administrator. Also, don't discount the simplest explanations…something bumped the button on the side, pretty easy to do, actually, on a G4 iMac. To the OP, are you sure it turned on and didn't simply wake up? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
