Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jun 22, 2013, at 2:13 PM, Tom  wrote:

> 
> So anyway, I went online and looked up how to do it, zapped the PRAM, and now 
> all is well.
> 
> Now to try to figure out what happened to the monitor that went kablooey.

Silly question, have you checked the power brick? I ask this because a 
professor where I work went though two of them before he demanded that Apple 
replace the little one with the 23" with the larger one for the 30" and he 
hasn't had a problem since.

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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Alex Sciortino]

Well at least you got the G5 sorted. IMHO, the monitor will need a recap. If
you don't have much experience soldering, I would ask a friend. If you can't
find capacitors with the same value, you can go up in voltage. Good luck!


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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Tom]

Thanks for the help everybody, on both how to make the Mac forget the 
imaginary monitor and how to troubleshoot the real but dead one.

I zapped the PRAM, and it fixed the problem. Now the Mac knows it only has 
one monitor connected to it.

Alex first sent me the suggestion to zap the PRAM, and I had actually 
thought about doing that earlier, but had forgotten what keys to hold on 
restart. I got out David Pogue's big thick book called "Mac OS-X Leopard, 
The Missing Manual," but it says not a single word about the PRAM. I tried 
to look up PRAM in the book's index, but it's not there--not under P, not 
under R for Resetting the Pram, nor Z for Zapping the PRAM, nor is it 
mentioned anywhere in the book's extensive Troubleshooting section--in 
fact, I can't find a single mention of PRAM anywhere in this huge (894 
page) book, supposedly written by a Mac expert. How do you figure that?


So anyway, I went online and looked up how to do it, zapped the PRAM, and 
now all is well.


Now to try to figure out what happened to the monitor that went kablooey.


Thanks again all.


Tom

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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Tom]

I don't know what a capacitor looks like, Kris. But I'll do a little 
research and try to learn. Maybe it can be replaced. Thanks for the tip.

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Re: 2004/week 10 dual G5 with one cpu dead

[geraldcornish]

Kris, Adam

Thanks for your response.
On closer inspection it does seem to have 2 single cpus and I assume  
the upper one is not working going by the fan speeds - 300rpm upper,  
1000rpm lower.
When my other half lets me get at the machine I'll try the simple  
fixes - pram reset and see what I can glean for any nvram optins.

I don't have AHT nor ASD.
Is AHT available to download & burn?

Ged

On 22 /06/ 2013, at 18:01, Adam Vaughn wrote:

The only dual core G5 CPUs were used in the very last series of  
Power Mac G5, offered in single processor 2 and 2.3GHz, as well as  
the dual processor "quad 2.5GHz". The mid 2004 PowerMac G5s used  
dual single core processors, offered as dual 1.8, dual 2.0, and  
dual 2.5GHz (a single processor 1.8GHz model was offered starting  
later that year). I've heard of dual processor PMG5s running on  
only one processor before. Has the OP tried running AHT or ASD yet?

-Adam


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On 06/22/13, Kris Tilford wrote:

I'm not positive of this, but I'm about 95% sure your problem is  
different than you think.
These G5 PowerMacs came in two distinct configurations that both  
used the term "dual".


There were earlier versions with one dual-core CPU, and later  
versions with two single-core CPUs, and BOTH these are referred to  
by Apple a "dual". I believe your earlier 2004 PowerMac G5 has one  
dual-core CPU rather than two single-core CPUs.



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Re: Re: 2004/week 10 dual G5 with one cpu dead

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The only dual core G5 CPUs were used in the very last series of Power Mac G5, offered in single processor 2 and 2.3GHz, as well as the dual processor "quad 2.5GHz". The mid 2004 PowerMac G5s used dual single core processors, offered as dual 1.8, dual 2.0, and dual 2.5GHz (a single processor 1.8GHz model was offered starting later that year). I've heard of dual processor PMG5s running on only one processor before. Has the OP tried running AHT or ASD yet?-Adam  Adam VaughnCollector of old computers, video game systems, radios and other electronic equipment... Visit my page at http://www.electronixandmore.com/adam/index.html On 06/22/13, Kris Tilford wrote: I'm not positive of this, but I'm about 95% sure your problem is different than you think.These G5 PowerMacs came in two distinct configurations that both used the term "dual".There were earlier versions with one dual-core CPU, and later versions with two single-core CPUs, and BOTH these are referred to by Apple a "dual". I believe your earlier 2004 PowerMac G5 has one dual-core CPU rather than two single-core CPUs.



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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Geke]

Apart from resetting the PRAM, I could think of some other things--others 
may correct me:
1. Look for Display Preferences in User/Library/Preferences and delete the 
file (I don't know the name) or move it out of the folder
I know, you already logged in as a different user; I'm just brainstorming...
2. Click the button "Detect Displays" in the System Preferences/Displays 
and see if that triggers the right reaction
3. As a last resort, Glen's suggestion to switch to Mirror mode would at 
least give you proper control.

What does the System Profiler (About this Mac, More info...) report in the 
Video/Displays section?

The same issue with 10.8.2 on a Mac Mini was posted here, alas with no 
solution yet: 
http://discussions.apple.com/message/21502891#21502891


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Re: 2004/week 10 dual G5 with one cpu dead

[Kris Tilford]

I'm not positive of this, but I'm about 95% sure your problem is different than 
you think.
These G5 PowerMacs came in two distinct configurations that both used the term 
"dual".

There were earlier versions with one dual-core CPU, and later versions with two 
single-core CPUs, and BOTH these are referred to by Apple a "dual". I believe 
your earlier 2004 PowerMac G5 has one dual-core CPU rather than two single-core 
CPUs.

Your problem may be simple or hard to solve. You might be able to re-seat the 
CPU to regain full dual-core functionality? It's possible, but unlikely, that 
single-core function has been set in software, and full dual-core can be 
restored via a software fix, perhaps as simple as a PRAM/NVRAM reset? There's 
also the Apple Service Diagnostic boot disc that may have the ability to set 
CPU function via software? These would be the "simple" fixes.

The "hard" fixes would be that your CPU or motherboard has a hardware problem. 
Replacing the CPU chip would be required if the CPU were bad, or the 
motherboard if the motherboard were bad. Troubleshooting this could be 
difficult because you'd need a "known good" CPU or motherboard to figure out 
which was bad.

I'd try a "simple" fix, and if you can't fix it, I think you're probably best 
using it as a single CPU unit rather than spending time & money repairing it. 
Spending time & money on a G5 PowerMac isn't economically sound on any basis, 
you'd be better off selling the G5 for parts and getting a cheap Intel 
hackintosh. You could buy an entire computer for less than the cost of 
repairing one core on this G5.

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Re: upgrade eMac

[ROBERT H. BAUCOM]

I don't know which eMac you have, but I bought a used eMac G4, 1.25GHz several 
years  ago. Loved it as i had my SE30 *  back in '93. 
My wife has used it for her eMail these past three years. I had upgraded it to 
OS10.5.8 (Leopard) way back when. It's a great OS and very stable. I recommend 
it with  out any reservations. I bought an eMac 10.5 install disk for it 
several years ago. and did the upgrade to 10.5.8.
The only minor problem that I had was having to upgrade Apple Works from  ver 
6.2.7 to 6.2.9. The good thing is. it will run Quicken 7. The last good Money 
Management app they made. So saying I have put OS10.5.8 on my Quicksilver and 
Quicken 7. Since it's not connected to the  internet, I keep all our finances, 
investments, income tax and password list on it.
The "Quicken Essentials" SW, sucks  in my estimation.
RHB
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_SE/30  

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> I have an eMac with 10.3.3   I understand that I must upgrade to 10.3.9 
> before I can go to Tiger. Maybe not true.
> Should it be , I don`t know how to upgrade to to 10.3.9. Any help appreciated.
> Gene H
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2004/week 10 dual G5 with one cpu dead

[geraldcornish]

Hi all,

Where can I find the mpn for this 1.8ghz processor, please?

Would there be more than one compatible cpu?

My dual 1.8 g5 has the top cpu not working and I would like to  
replace it to bring the beast back to dual cpu status.


It was sold as dual 1.8 but now runs with only one.

 marks it as  
having dual 1.8 cpus.


System profiler says cpus=1

The Processor prefpane says "error - unable to load processor"

iStat give fan speeds of 1000rpm for cpu-B but only 300 for all the  
cpu-A fans.


tia
Ged

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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Glen McKnight]

On 22 Jun 2013, at 14:17, Valter Prahlad wrote:

> Il giorno 22/06/13 10.35, "Tom" ha scritto:
> 
>> Yesterday one of the two displays just suddenly went dark, like blowing out
>> a candle. 
> LCD monitors (and many electronics devices built around 2003-2005) suffer
> from the "bad capacitors plague":
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
> 
> You can google "23 cinema display capacitors" and see if some page helps you
> troubleshooting your problem.
> 
>> I disconnected the dead monitor and all its cables from the Mac.
> Are you sure there's no adapter still connected to the video card?
> It may trick the card into thinking a monitor is still there.
> 
>> When I open some windows, they go off the visible screen and open
>> somewhere on the invisible one, on the non-existent monitor, and I can't
>> get at them.
> Using the display menulet (the icon on the top menu bar), can you change the
> resolution of the "ghost" monitor, to a smaller one?
> This way, windows opening there might be still visible on the main monitor
> and movable.
> 
> That's the best that I can think of right now. :-)
> 


Hi

Have you tried resetting the pram, if this doesn't work try mirroring you will 
at least be able to see your missing windows.

Have Fun

Glen

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Re: is there still a G3-5 list?

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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 22/06/13 10.35, "Tom" ha scritto:

> Yesterday one of the two displays just suddenly went dark, like blowing out
> a candle. 
LCD monitors (and many electronics devices built around 2003-2005) suffer
from the "bad capacitors plague":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

You can google "23 cinema display capacitors" and see if some page helps you
troubleshooting your problem.

> I disconnected the dead monitor and all its cables from the Mac.
Are you sure there's no adapter still connected to the video card?
It may trick the card into thinking a monitor is still there.

> When I open some windows, they go off the visible screen and open
> somewhere on the invisible one, on the non-existent monitor, and I can't
> get at them.
Using the display menulet (the icon on the top menu bar), can you change the
resolution of the "ghost" monitor, to a smaller one?
This way, windows opening there might be still visible on the main monitor
and movable.

That's the best that I can think of right now. :-)


Of course, if you have a real, working second monitor around, you might
connect that one, moving the new windows onto your main screen, and
disconnect it to see if the problem goes away.
If you have a friend nearby with a lousy PC, this may be the time the PC
turns out useful. ;-)


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Re: is there still a G3-5 list?

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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Kris Tilford]

On Jun 22, 2013, at 3:35 AM, Tom wrote:

> Any ideas how I can convince this Mac that it only has one monitor attached 
> to it?

Have you inspected the video card for blown capacitors?

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Re: is there still a G3-5 list?

[Mark Murphy]

The last g3-5-list I have came through on June 10th. Weren't these  
things supposed to move to wordpress?


On Jun 21, 2013, at 7:01 PM, janespra...@comcast.net wrote:


Bruce,  I went to Google Groups and can't find the G3-5 list.

I sent this post to "g3-5-list group " :

administrator, but a teenage girl has an account. She has the only  
Mac computer in the house. There is a Windows computer and a couple  
iPads and iPods sharing the network.


The iMac turns itself on. That did NOT happen at my house! How can  
I figure out how this is happening and if someone has hacked into it?


Jane>

But I can't find where the post landed! have you seen it?

jane

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Re: G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Alex Sciortino]

InterestingŠ Have you tried a PMU and a PRAM reset?


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G5 thinks there are still two monitors attached, after removing one.

[Tom]

I have a G5 running 10.5.8 with two 23" cinema displays attached. Or I did. 
Yesterday one of the two displays just suddenly went dark, like blowing out 
a candle. Nothing I could do would bring it back, so I have to assume it's 
dead and gone. (If anyone has any thoughts about why this happened, I'd 
love to hear them, but that's not the problem I'm having right now.)


I disconnected the dead monitor and all its cables from the Mac. There is 
now only one monitor attached to the Mac. However, the Mac still thinks 
there are two monitors attached to it.


In the System Prefs panel for Displays, under the Arrange tab, it still 
shows a small (imaginary) monitor beside the large (real) one. It lets me 
arrange this little imaginary monitor anywhere I want to around the big 
one, but the little monitor doesn't really exist. Yet the Mac acts like it 
does. When I open some windows, they go off the visible screen and open 
somewhere on the invisible one, on the non-existent monitor, and I can't 
get at them.


I've tried everything I know to get rid of this second, invisible monitor: 
I repaired the permissions with Disk Utility, threw away the System prefs, 
logged in as a different account, did a Safe Boot, and even ran Disk 
Warrior through the disk. I tried attaching the monitor's connector to the 
other of the two video ports.


Nothing makes any difference. Every time I go to the Monitors panel, it 
still shows a small, nonexistent monitor next to the real one, and windows 
still keep opening offscreen, on what the Mac thinks is another monitor.


Any ideas how I can convince this Mac that it only has one monitor attached 
to it?


Tom

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