Re: Fix or Replace 1GHz G4

['Glen' via G-Group]

 From: nick.rhind 
 To: G-Group  
 Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 4:41 PM
 Subject: Fix or Replace 1GHz G4
  
I have a 1GHz mirrored-door G4 (M8689) that I need to run a piece of legacy lab 
equipment.  It boots up fine and seems to run well, but after several minutes 
the monitor turns off and, a few moments later, the computer shuts down.  For 
what it is worth, the fan has been running constantly for the past few months.  
If anyone has any advice about how to repair the poor old thing, I would 
greatly appreciate it.  If not, suggestions for a good source for a replacement 
would be useful.  My online searches have not but fruitful.
-It
 could be a power supply or maybe just an overheating problem.
Years ago when I got a used MDD it had a huge build up of dust bunnies the size 
of rodent mice underneath the Darth Vader grill at the bottom of the tower. I 
blew them out with a commercial air compressor. They can be removed manually if 
you have the patience. So, check for dust everywhere.
If that does not work, depending on your software requirements older Intel 
Mac's can run OS 10.5. When my G5 died I went to an older G4 and an Intel iMac 
running 10.5 which worked for my legacy graphics software. --glen

   

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Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition (128 MB) for OS 9.2 and 10.4.11?

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Are special ATI drivers needed? I used this card in an MDD in 9.2.2 and 10.4.11 
with no problems. I thought the drivers were in the system software. Am I 
missing something?
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 Subject: Re: What software and cables do I need in order to use an ATI Radeon 
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On Dec 17, 2016, at 1:43 AM, W. Neal Lewis  wrote:


The Wayback Machine (Internet Archive) has gone far too political for me to 
stomach. So thank you for the suggestion, but not going there.


How can an ‘archive’ be political? It’s like a public library, it doesn’t 
create content, it preserves content. You’re saying it preserves the ‘wrong’ 
content for your personal politics?

I plan to check with AMD to see if the software is still available from them.


You’re about a decade too late. The minute AMD bought ATI, all the old ATI 
software was lost, the ATI website disappeared, you couldn’t get any meaningful 
response from AMD. You’re gonna be outta luck here, unless you find an archive 
site.


It is rather interesting, but a very large number of the old sites have 
vanished without a trace.


Welcome to the future. A PPC Mac isn’t going to help much here. For the price 
of Radeon 9000 Pro Mac Edition you could get an entire hackintosh that supports 
current software standards. I’ve been given free computers 10x as powerful as a 
PPC G4. From an energy usage standpoint, you could probably pay for a new 
computer with the energy savings alone. This is why LCD monitors replaced CRT 
so quickly, the energy savings alone paid for the new monitor, same as with LED 
lighting. A laptop provides the best flops per dollar/watt for normalized 
consumer use. Old 2008-2009 Mac Minis & laptops can run Sierra using Sierra 
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Re: Adobe CS2 licence broken

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I did not have any problems moving my CS2 from a G5 back to a G4 a few months 
ago.

Adobe did changed the old link to the CS2 download page with the needed 
activation numbers. However the activation numbers on the new page are the same 
as the old page.

The new link is:
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/other-downloads.html

You can download a copy of the old Adobe CS2 page from my Dropbox at:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2y6e0kdtdytgvd/Adobe%20CS2%20%20Downloads.zip?dl=0

Maybe reinstall CS2??? Good luck, glen



On Fri, 9/9/16, Jörg Duurkoop  wrote:

 Subject: Adobe CS2 licence broken
 To: "G-Group" 
 Date: Friday, September 9, 2016, 2:00 PM
 
 Hi,
 
 I've been using the Adobe CS2 suite for many years
 without problems. My MDD had crashed recently and after I
 put my recent CCC backup back on my crashed volume I cannot
 use CS2 anymore. The app tells me that my trial period has
 expired but when I try to activate it again no cigar. The
 server is not online ...
 
 What gives? Isn't good ole CS2 free nowadays? Any
 comments? Thanks a lot.
 
 Best regards, Jörg.
 
 
 
 
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Re: My G5 problems (resurrecting two PowerMac G5 computers)

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IIRC, I used four 6-32 UNC metal round head screws to add a second HD to my G5 
a few years ago. It was not a perfect fit and it may have been more difficult 
to install the drive than it would with the standard Apple scews but it worked 
for me. I think the trick was not to screw them in all the way and leave a 
little space for the head to catch the guides. But that was a long time ago so 
my memory is a bit fuzzy.
However, I would not recommend shipping the G5 with the HD installed with these 
screws. --glen


  From: TVirkkala 
 To: LEM G-List  
 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:54 PM
 Subject: Re: My G5 problems (resurrecting two PowerMac G5 computers)
   
Thanks, Dana, re:

> You do not need railings or sleds for the HDs on a G5. You DO need  
> four convex standout screws that screw into the hard drive sides are  
> are used as guides for the drive to slide down the visible channels  
> in the HD bay sides - top drive goes in first, starting in the  
> middle channel (it corrects itself as the drive is inserted, ending  
> in the top channel), then the second drive goes straight into the  
> bottom third channel.
> The screws are plastic, and of course, being Apple, unique in design- 
> the heads are rounded and polished - regular HD screws will catch on  
> the glides.

I probably have them in one of my little parts bins hanging around the  
office, stuck in the corners

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Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?

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Good suggestion: that occurred to me, but the screw is not damaged and a proper 
tool will remove it. And since I do not have a 10 inch or longer drill bit I 
would have to buy that tool which probably cost about same as the proper tool.
Anyway probably a mute point since the G5 PS located where the computer was 
dropped and most likely is damaged. Still a possible project if I get bored.
Meanwhile the Sawtooth is is just fine. I may replace it with a 2008 or 2009 
iMac which will run 10.5 or 10.6 if I need more speed and can find one locally 
for a good price. Thanks -- glen


  From: W.Adrian D'Alessio <fluxstrin...@gmail.com>
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 Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:21 AM
 Subject: Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?
   
Reach in with a long reach bit and drill the head off the screw.

Or use one of those screw extractor bits ( with the tiny grip teeth) on a long 
reach extension. Don't let one screw discourage you.


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On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 7:02 PM, 'Glen' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> 
wrote:

Follow up: I went with the external SATA/Firewire enclosure. Tested it today 
and it allows me to boot into the SATA drive and run all the  apps I used with 
the G5. Granted a lot slower but since the G4 has a dual 1.25 GHz upgrade it is 
workable and just a little slower than the MDD I sold in July. I t allows me to 
access and edit my legacy files.

I decided against the PCI card since I read one review that said it worked 
great in 10.4.11 and another that said it did not work at all in 10.4.11? Then 
there is the concern will it boot and recognize more than the 127 GB of the 
SATA drive. For the same reason I decided against a good suggestion to buy an 
adapter -- did not think the Sawtooth would recognize the full capacity of the 
drive without the Firmware hack or 3rd party software.
I found cheap SATA/Firewire enclosures hard to find. The one purchased is an 
Iomega job lot surplus type for $35 shipped. It is new with all the screws and 
a bunch of stuff, some needed and some not. No instructions but easy to figure 
out. Really cheap construction, with self tapping screws that require a lot of 
patience and some improvised tools to get to work. But it does the job so I'm 
OK with it.
Fixing the G5:My second G5 that was severely damaged in shipping and whose PS 
may be a good replacement  had developed a LC leak with much corrosion, no 
surprise. Then I remembered that the PS in this damaged G5 displayed the same 
symptoms regarding the power supply that failed. I did start to to take it 
apart but without having a long reach t-10 wrench I improvised a tool and got 7 
of 8 hex screws out of the LCS unit but of course there is always one that 
won't loosen up. So unless I buy another tool I will not likely use again I am 
giving up on the G5 repair.
Thanks for all the help and suggestions -- glen


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 To: G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> 
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:18 PM
 Subject: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?
   
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124028

I'm thinking of using this SYBA SY-PCI140010 PCI card to add a SATA drive to my 
G4 Sawtooth. I have checked the SYBA site and it does have an OS X driver with 
a 2010 date. It does not say what version of OS X. Has anyone had any success 
or failure with this card? It has a SIL3124 Chipset. The hard drive is a 320 MB 
SATA II. The Sawtooth has a dual 1.25 GHz upgrade processor with 2 GB RAM and 
running 10.4.11.
The Sawtooth recognizes the full 320 GB of the drive when attached via a USB 
2.0 card or the USB 1.1 native bus using a SATA-USB adapter. I would rather 
have the drive inside the computer and be able to boot the drive into 10.4.11. 
I can't do that when connected with USB on that old G4. My other option is a 
SATA/Firewire external enclosure which should be bootable and would cost about 
the same.

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Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?

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Follow up: I went with the external SATA/Firewire enclosure. Tested it today 
and it allows me to boot into the SATA drive and run all the  apps I used with 
the G5. Granted a lot slower but since the G4 has a dual 1.25 GHz upgrade it is 
workable and just a little slower than the MDD I sold in July. I t allows me to 
access and edit my legacy files.

I decided against the PCI card since I read one review that said it worked 
great in 10.4.11 and another that said it did not work at all in 10.4.11? Then 
there is the concern will it boot and recognize more than the 127 GB of the 
SATA drive. For the same reason I decided against a good suggestion to buy an 
adapter -- did not think the Sawtooth would recognize the full capacity of the 
drive without the Firmware hack or 3rd party software.
I found cheap SATA/Firewire enclosures hard to find. The one purchased is an 
Iomega job lot surplus type for $35 shipped. It is new with all the screws and 
a bunch of stuff, some needed and some not. No instructions but easy to figure 
out. Really cheap construction, with self tapping screws that require a lot of 
patience and some improvised tools to get to work. But it does the job so I'm 
OK with it.
Fixing the G5:My second G5 that was severely damaged in shipping and whose PS 
may be a good replacement  had developed a LC leak with much corrosion, no 
surprise. Then I remembered that the PS in this damaged G5 displayed the same 
symptoms regarding the power supply that failed. I did start to to take it 
apart but without having a long reach t-10 wrench I improvised a tool and got 7 
of 8 hex screws out of the LCS unit but of course there is always one that 
won't loosen up. So unless I buy another tool I will not likely use again I am 
giving up on the G5 repair.
Thanks for all the help and suggestions -- glen


  From: 'glenstrek' via G-Group 
 To: G-Group  
 Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 6:18 PM
 Subject: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?
   
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124028

I'm thinking of using this SYBA SY-PCI140010 PCI card to add a SATA drive to my 
G4 Sawtooth. I have checked the SYBA site and it does have an OS X driver with 
a 2010 date. It does not say what version of OS X. Has anyone had any success 
or failure with this card? It has a SIL3124 Chipset. The hard drive is a 320 MB 
SATA II. The Sawtooth has a dual 1.25 GHz upgrade processor with 2 GB RAM and 
running 10.4.11.
The Sawtooth recognizes the full 320 GB of the drive when attached via a USB 
2.0 card or the USB 1.1 native bus using a SATA-USB adapter. I would rather 
have the drive inside the computer and be able to boot the drive into 10.4.11. 
I can't do that when connected with USB on that old G4. My other option is a 
SATA/Firewire external enclosure which should be bootable and would cost about 
the same.

  

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Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?

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Do you mean something like 
this?http://www.amazon.com/HDE-SATA-Drive-Interface-Adapter/dp/B002Y2NI4M/ref=pd_sim_147_3?ie=UTF8=199TBF0PPZSAHR4XHNZW=41y1NmgtUFL=sims=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_

I did not think of going in that direction -- that could work! Then I could put 
the two ATA/IDE drives now in the Sawtooth into my external Firewire enclosures 
and have both bootable computers in one G4 until I repair or more likely 
replace the G5.
Thanks, glen

  From: Jörg Duurkoop 
 To: G-Group  
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 8:36 AM
 Subject: Re: SATA PCI Card for G4 Sawtooth?
   
Hi Glen,

There are cheap adaptors available which fit between the ATA-cable and the 
SATA-connector on the drive. I have two big and fast SATA drives in my MDD 
using those adaptors (price was 8 € on the net), the speed is awesome compared 
to my other internal two ATA-drives. Plus I have all my PCI-slots available for 
other cards.

Good luck, Jörg.


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Re: G5 Tower Won't Start

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  From: Bruce Johnson 
 To: ""  
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 6:19 PM
 Subject: Re: G5 Tower Won't Start
   

> On Sep 16, 2015, at 2:53 PM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote:
> 
> 
> My only guess is power supply failure. It there anything else to try. Right 
> now it sits unplugged with PRAM battery removed. I will try again Thursday 
> morning.

Does your G5 have an Apple Cinema Display attached? try disconnecting it and 
plugging in a regular VGA monitor.

This happened to a prof here when the power supply for his 24” Cinema Display 
died. Really weird.

(He ended up going through 2 of the power supplies before he made Apple give 
him one from a 30”..no more dead power supplies after that. The 30” ps is 
noticeably beefier than the 24”)

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The monitor is a Hannspree and is connected to the G5's DVI video port. Tried 
disconnecting everything expect the power cord; it just clicks on then off. 
Looks likes the power supply needs to be replaced. --glen  

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Re: G5 Tower Won't Start

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Thanks, lot of good info, particularly the pinout diagram.
I do have a "spare" PS from another G5 2.5 MHz LCS that was severely damage in 
shipping. Don't know if the damage included that PS. I found a couple of 
YouTube videos on replacing and taking apart the G5. Looks a little daunting 
but at least a have another dead G5 to practice on.
Recently sold off all my old Mac's except for one G4. Transferred the critical 
G5 files to that G4 so I'm back in business. And I finally got to use that USB 
2.0 to SATA/IDE adapter I bought an couple of years ago!
Just when I thought I was done tinkering with Mac's now I have another project. 
--glen

  From: Kris Tilford <ktilfo...@cox.net>
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:08 PM
 Subject: Re: G5 Tower Won't Start
   

> On Sep 17, 2015, at 11:47 AM, 'Glen' via G-Group <g3-5-list@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Looks likes the power supply needs to be replaced.

You can find the G5 power supply pinout diagrams on this site that shows how to 
rebuild the power supply.

<http://www.item-innovacion.es/en/PowerMac_G5_PSU_Repair.html>

The G5 power supplies can be expensive, or hard to find, so in addition to DIY 
repair, there’s other sites that show how to convert a standard ATX power 
supply to work in the G5 as a lower cost, more readily available kludge 
solution.

<http://damntechnology.blogspot.com/2009/02/rebuilding-powermac-g5-power-supply.html>

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Re: google spam

['Glen' via G-Group]

A couple of year ago I received  call from a guy "from Google" who wanted to 
update my business site (now retired) . He had a good presentation and I let 
him run is pitch. He even used FLASH to to take control of my browser showing 
me how he could improve the site. When I said I was not interested he got 
agressive an ended up saying Google would take down my site if I did not agree 
to his proposition.
I told "OK take it down" and hung it. --glen
  From: Charles Lenington 
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2015 2:24 PM
 Subject: google spam
   
Has anyone received phone calls from google wanting to set up a business 
account/web site?

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Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?

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From: peterh...@cruzio.com peterh...@cruzio.com
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Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: Best browser Power Mac G-4 OS 10.5.8?



 I heard that TenFourFox doesn't come with flash player though.  Maybe that
 is the case?  I would be curious to see speed comparisons with TenFourFox
 and a few other browsers still supported on 10.5.8.  Do any of these
 support HTML I wonder?

TenFourFox comes in at least two versions, one of which is for 7400
processors, and another which are for the later 7450 processors.

Based upon recommendations of security folks, I have removed Flash from my
machines.



My reply:

There is at least one other version of TenFourFox for G5 processors. When I 
switched from a G4 to a G5 the 7450 version was installed on the cloned HDD and 
it worked just fine. Later I upgraded to the G5 version. And I do not miss 
FLASH. --glen


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Re: PowerMac G5 sleep issue

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- Original Message -
From: 'John Carmonne' via G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: PowerMac G5 sleep issue

My G5 PowerMac (latest generation) would not auto deep-sleep (worked fine when 
done by hand) and that can cost a good chunk of money in electricity (~$100 a 
year as it idles around 130W, deep-sleeps at about 1/7th of this); turns out 
that the problem was introduced in 10.5.7 and not fixed in 10.5.8. It is 
probably a coincidence that the Energy Saver icon was an Edison bulb in 10.5.6, 
but moved to a CFL in 10.5.7. Earlier G5 PowerMac generations don't seem to 
suffer this fate, so this may not be of concern to Cube users.

[snip]

* Using another model DVD drive (Apple System Profiler lists the problem drive 
as: HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GWA-4165B)

is all it took to resolve this issue. I tried an NEC 2100AD from another 
machine I had, and read that an LG GH22NP20 also solves the problem, and hope 
to try the Apple branded SONY DW-Q28A soon.


Makes one wonder about the wisdom of keeping old equipment running; $100 a year 
in electricity can soon add up to a new machine. Can't complain that life is 
not keeping me occupied.


Maybe we could start a list of Good and Bad drives with respect to this issue.
-

My Reply:

Not sure when the latest generation of G5's begins but I have a dual 2.5 Ghz 
PowerMac G5 (June 2004), Machine Model PowerMac7,3.

It has a Pioneer DVR-117D rev B705 and does not have the sleep problems you 
describe. --glen









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