Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2012/02/13 08:23, Barry Levine so eloquently wrote: I changed the subject line. That always has seemed to start a new thread. There is a number in the headers that determines what thread a message belongs to, what the subject line contains is irrelevant. Not to pick on you in particular but it's happening more and more with each passing month. I recall hearing that certain mail clients disregarded other header fields when the Subject differed, perhaps to appease such practices, with the unfortunate effect of tacitly encouraging them further. The great thing about standards is... you can always ignore them and do it your own way! =-D Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 8.6 submenu limit? Other questions.
On Feb 14, 2012, at 12:56 AM, Tina K. wrote: On 2012/02/14 01:08, Joshua Juran so eloquently wrote: The great thing about standards is... you can always ignore them and do it your own way! That is an excellent idea Joshua, why didn't I think of that?!?!?! Tell you what, you go ahead and remove all standards from your life then let us know how it goes. So far, lacking a standard for indicating sarcasm is going poorly. :-( Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Don't Landfill old Mac's
On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:20 PM, David W. Morris wrote: I am not a part of the group of guys that develop MorphOS2.7 and I get no compensation for promoting it. The team of guys only make enough money from registrations for a bit of Pizza and Beers once in a while. Hardly what could be compared to most any commercial product. My tolerance for proprietary operating systems is limited to Mac OS and Mac OS X, since I already use them. MorphOS sounds interesting, but I'm not going to invest in another unfree OS. Those seeking an alternative OS for PPC Macs I would refer to Debian GNU/Linux. http://www.debian.org/ An eccentric few[1] might enjoy using MacRelix on Mac OS 9 or earlier. It's developed by me and distributed under the GNU GPL version 3 or later. http://www.metamage.com/code/MacRelix/ Josh [1] You're enough of a hacker that you're already using an actual Unix system, but you're also still using Mac OS 9 for some reason. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iPad, G4, and Lion
On Jan 7, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Doug McNutt wrote: At a user group meeting last week a question was asked that nobody could answer. The user was not, shall we say, knowledgeable about version and model numbers and the like but it went like this: Highly interpreted sort of a quote begins. I hooked my iPod to my new iMac running Lion as delivered. Some things may have happened that were associated somehow with an automatic software update. But after that I was severely unhappy with the performance of the old iPod on the new Mac. I gave up and decided to just use the iPod on my G4 and I don't know if that's using OS 9 or OS 10.x. The iPod wouldn't work at all! Did using the iPod on Lion ruin it so that it can never be returned to its original mode of service? I remain depressed. I donno about her. Has anyone here experienced anything similar? I was able to reliably crash any of my OS 9 machines by plugging in my iPod Classic. Apparently Apple's older OS is vulnerable to maliciously crafted USB devices. In this case, it wasn't a regression -- it was shipped like that -- so there's no older state for me to restore. But the lesson is that Apple's attitude toward backward compatibility borders on hostility. Consider installing Rockbox or using a different device for playing audio. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: keyboard shortcut
On Dec 16, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: In the old days..pre OSX, there was a program that we could use to create keyboard shortcuts. IIRC, the program was an Apple programthe name escapes me. MacroMaker? That perished when Apple introduced the latest and greatest shiny new version of their OS -- by which I refer, of course, to System 7. :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: POLITICAL STATEMENT?
On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:41 AM, John Callahan wrote: In the original post the poster referred to the United States as a Socialist country! I take high offense at that extreme denunciation as I am a veteran of WWII and associate Socialist with the NATIONAL SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY, commonly known in English as the NAZI PARTY. I think it an insult of the first order to associate our country with something as vile as the NAZI PARTY! This is a straw man argument. The original poster does not associate socialism in general with the Nazi party. You're acting as if he does, and the consequence is that you feel insulted. To stop feeling insulted, simply recognize that no insult has occurred. Also, please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law before responding. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Pesky hardware problem
On Oct 18, 2011, at 12:47 AM, QuoVadis wrote: I too use an eMac as my daily machine. It's the 1.25Ghz G4, has 2GB of RAM. Everything else is standard (40GB disk, Radeon 9200 32MB). If I want to play YouTube films on this machine, I need to select 360p or 240p. In case of 360p I need to let it load the entire film before playing, if I am to get a smooth framerate. However, since YouTube is full of ads, I somtimes get an unacceptable framerate because of one of the ads being an animated ad. To fix it, I installed an ad-block extension to Safari to give some CPU time back to the films instead of the ads. Try FireFox with the Video Download Helper extension. The Medium resolution download gives you a .mp4 file which you can play in QuickTime Player. I do this on my 2GB iMac to avoid loading the Flash plugin at all. Other bonuses: * you have an offline copy so you can watch it without Internet access * you have a permanent copy in case it gets taken down * you can play the movie without a Web browser running at all * the Play/Pause key works * you can go frame-by-frame * you can double the dimensions of the movie * you can make the movie any size and arrange it so you can see it while you work on something else * you don't have to worry about YouTube's player becoming even more annoying * you're not seeing YouTube users' comments Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: daisy-chaining back up drive?
On Oct 9, 2011, at 2:09 PM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: maybe a stupid question, but I never succeded in accessing the old g3 from 10.4 or 10.5 - I can only do it the other way around - i.e., I can access the 10.x macs from 9.2.2, but not the 9.2.2 from 10.x Sometimes I use HTTP to transfer files from an OS 9 system to an OS X one. I wrote my own httpd for this purpose. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Sad day...
On Oct 7, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: On 11-10-05 11:31 PM, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Am I missing something? Yup, the enormous 512x512 icons didn't ship until 10.5 Leopard, when Apple was promoting resolution independence. I really love easter eggs... :-) Okay, Get Info Text Edit. Click on the icon in Get Info and copy. Open a graphics program like Fireworks and begin a new file. Paste your copied icon to the new file (and in the case of Fireworks you don't need to zoom in at all!). You can now zoom in to read the letter. I just chose Show Package Contents from the contextual menu, found Contents/Resources/TextEdit.icns, and opened it (in Preview). No additional software needed. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Cool hack for an old keyboard...
On Aug 12, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: http://hackaday.com/2011/08/12/overhaul-an-old-mechanical-keyboard/ I'm typing this on a Matias Tactile Pro. :-) Noisy cricket, but it feels great. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD At first I thought it might be a review of the new show Dirty Money The other day it looked like they found a Mac USB KB in the trash. Took keys from an old portable typewriter and gluegunned them and the platen roller added to it for a steampunk look. ( Didn't Buckaroo Bonzai start that look before it was even named steampunk ?) Does a rocket car count as steampunk? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 graphics card resolution options?
On Aug 11, 2011, at 4:36 AM, QuoVadis wrote: IIRC, MacOS 9 only does 4:3 resolutions, but I have only had 4:3 monitors connected to my G3 BW. I have had my beige-which-is- actually- platinum G3 connected to a LCD TV before, but still only 4:3. Mac OS 9 does just fine with Apple's 5:4 17-inch display, and I recall there was a portrait display for the IIci. Once you get to System Software 5.0 or so, it doesn't care about display dimensions. What your graphics card can drive is another question. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Upgrading to Lion
On Aug 4, 2011, at 7:00 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: Lion is intended to be 64-bit, but only the Finder MUST run in 64- bit. The kernel is 32-/64-bit as is almost everything else (except the Finder). You may boot Lion into 32-bit (arch=i386, in the boot loader's boot flags), but the processor MUST support 64-bit because the Finder expects and requires a 64-bit processor even if almost everything else doesn't. Has anyone seen the Finder using even 1 GB of virtual memory, let alone exceeding the 4 GB limit that necessitates 64-bit pointers? Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Maybe off topic?
On Aug 3, 2011, at 6:30 PM, peterh...@cruzio.com wrote: How do I set up the router to prevent this .. I know it is some sort of password but I can not seem to find the staring point to begin the process. Setup your router to require WPA protection. Additionally, select as your password something which is impossible to guess, except using a brute-force attack (the NSA is good at this, but very few others are). http://xkcd.com/538/ Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: OS 10.5
On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Alexander Gomes wrote: From my understanding an upgrade in OSX wasn't really an upgrade. It would do a full install of the operating system and then copy the user files/apps and preferences(making sure the compatible ones were kept and the others tossed/converted. That's why I call it 'switching' instead of 'upgrading'. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: classic or no classic in leopard?
On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:02 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Dec 22, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Dan wrote: I've found Sheepshaver to be sluggish and/or crashy Sure that isn't just the experience of using OS 9 after living with OS X for so long? It's SheepShaver. Since it doesn't implement hardware exceptions, occurrences that normally would make an application unexpectedly quit crash the entire emulator instead. Also, I use a build from 2007 since later builds crash sporadically even with well-behaved apps. Since Leopard will soon join Tiger in the ranks of unsupported Apple operating systems, you should seriously consider staying with Tiger to run Classic or booting Mac OS 9 natively. Either one works well, was at one time officially supported by Apple, and is appropriate for production environments. Bottom line: If you want to run a supported OS and OS 9 (reliably), you need two machines. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Fink
On Dec 11, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Tina K. wrote: I've read the FAQ on the Fink project but I'm still not entirely clear on what exactly it is. Is it an operating environment a la Java, or an emulator like Virtual Box or Wine? Is it strictly a repository of ported apps with apt-get functionality, and if so why use apt-get instead of normal OS X installation? Or is it something else entirely? The apt-get and underlying dpkg tools are taken from the Debian project. I imagine they're used because they're the best tools available for managing package dependencies. Open source Unix programs frequently rely on libraries shared with many other programs, and sophisticated dependency tracking is required to keep it all straight. Mac OS X doesn't provide a means to list installed packages, check for new versions, select one to upgrade, or upgrade all at once, and keep dependencies up-to-date at the same time, whereas dpkg/apt-get do all of that. The closest analogue is Software Update, which is a decent app but only works on system software. So every other app either includes its own update mechanism (or shares one, like Sparkle) or doesn't provide one at all, requiring manual installation by the user. Also has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with Fink? I tried Fink on my first OS X installation (Panther). Since Fink has a much smaller set of package maintainers than Debian, the available versions tend to lag behind. These days, when I want to use a Unix program on OS X, I download the source code and build it myself. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
X11 (Re: Fink)
On Dec 11, 2010, at 12:52 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/12/11 13:42, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote: All applications installed in this fashion either run on the command line or via X-Windows That makes sense, thanks for the explination. When you say X- Windows, would that be X-11? X11 is short for X Window System, Version 11. Calling it X-Windows is discouraged. In short: Yes, they refer to the same thing -- but one more so than the other. http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.2/doc/X.7.html Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hijacking
On Nov 10, 2010, at 1:31 AM, MichaelP wrote: Yes, it's hijacked. He hijacked PowerMac G3 AIO 'snapping/ popping' thread. I'm sensitive to and I object strongly to use of the word hijack to refer to refer to posting an original request for friendly help and info from exoerts if the request is written in some un-obvious way to contain hidden reference to an existing thread - The word hijack was only used because you posted an original request for help using the Reply feature of your mail client instead of composing a New message. Your mail client sets headers indicating to Tina's mail client that your message is part of the same thread (even though the Subject has changed). For an example of why this is problematic, suppose I look at my new G- list messages. I decide that, say, 'Initializing hard drive' doesn't look interesting to me, so I click, hit Command-Shift-K (to select the thread), and Delete. Now I've just deleted that thread *and* the original one, and I might not even be aware of it. Asking for help id not stealing, it is not swindling and it does not involve extortion. You're correct; it's none of those things. If what I do to post my request causes problems it's the auto- response system which needs modifying. This has nothing to do with auto-responders, just regular mail user agents. I've been using and owning info listserves for almost 20 years and never have I learned that hijacking is bad netiquette, and highly frowned upon or that Whenever you're starting a new Subject, you need to start with a New Mail and not a Reply or Forward or heaven's forbid a Reply All Well, now you know. Indeed, while I'm aware of the existence of headers this is the first listerve in which I'm told that old subjects are kept in invariant form. To the contrary, you are free (and encouraged) to change the Subject field as the conversation morphs over time -- provided it's the same conversation. If you're starting a new conversation, you should start a new thread. If that's the way the owner sets up a lkistserve, so be it, But please choos a less rude word to describe the process. Personally, I decline your request in general -- though I'll probably make a point not to use the term in reference to you. I appreciate the willingness of subscribers to share knowledge, But when I ask for help , to be told that my request is tantamount to stealing or extortion is just too much Nobody is accusing you of criminal behavior -- merely a breach of netiquette. And the word we use for this particular faux pas is 'hijacking'. Just remember that it's not personal. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Trying to bring a partition back to life
On Nov 9, 2010, at 6:29 PM, MaGioZal wrote: I am currently running Mac OS 9 and 10.4 on a Beige G3 PowerMac, and recently the biggest, non-booting partition which contained alot of softwares and data (from which I didn't make backup...:-/) just died down after some forced shutdowns. I've tried 3 different tools of disk recovery, but I've got no results, as can be seen on the gallery: http://www.facebook.com/album.php? aid=242341id=600905786l=1d59b51309 (the captions are in that strange language called Portuguese, but the screenshots are in English. ;-)) Well, the big quetion is: qaht can I do now to rescue this partition? Is there any free alternative or just DiskWarrior can help? How much is your data worth? If it's worth nothing, just cut your losses. If it's worth the cost of DiskWarrior, get it. DiskWarrior is an excellent repair utility, but recovery is safer than repair -- there's no good reason not to reinitialize the partition and restore from backup. This is assuming that your drive isn't dying -- if that's the case, back up your valuables NOW, and don't trust the drive again. Finally, if your files are worth paying thousands of dollars to recover, I recommend DriveSavers. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Anti-virus for Mac
On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Jonas Ulrich wrote: Why would you buy antivirus for mac I've never heard of anyone getting a virus on a mac, and I never have before. My last infection was 2002, when a client provided a CD-ROM of a ten year-old application which was infected, probably with an nVIR clone. Disinfectant took care of it. I don't even bother to run Disinfectant anymore, since besides a few commercial apps, all I run (on Mac OS 9) is my own software. :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: hijacking
On Nov 10, 2010, at 8:53 AM, ah...clem wrote: put yourself in the other person's shoes for one moment, instead of being a petulant child. Good advice. are you so STOOPID that you can't figure out how to create a new thread instead of HI-JACKING someone elses', or just too frickin' LAZY? maybe YOU should learn how to use an email client, and stop whining like a spoiled brat when someone gives you a TINY dose of well- deserved criticism. if you don't like the comments from the listmembers, you are welcome to unsubscribe. Hmmm. get over yourself, and quit being an inconsiderate ass... Well put. Although MichaelP is not whom I'd say this to. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Horrible news for the troops in the field. IS the world about to change continued badly
On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:08 AM + 11/9/2010, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/education/apple-xserve-is-gone-is-os-x-server-next/4321 No. The world is not about to change due to this. I don't agree with that article's off-the-wall speculation that Mac OS X Server is on the chopping block. After all, aside from Apple providing dumbed-down interfaces, the real difference between the two OS releases is basically added open-source stuff. If it's just the open source parts we're talking about, you can install those yourself, either on stock Mac OS X or any other Unix system. Apple's GUI front ends are essentially an application suite, and they could be packaged as such instead of bundled as a separate operating system. As far as Apple's killing the XServe hardware, well, that's pretty much the nail in the coffin wrt to keeping Macs in many businesses. The trust is waning fast. The business model of branded product as status symbol doesn't apply to businesses. Sure, they might advertise using only Acme-certified, dolphin-safe, home-grown organic widgets if that's what they already use, but they're not going to pay extra just so they can make that claim. Likewise, a business isn't going to pride itself on using Apple-branded systems -- they tend to use the cheapest thing that works. Frankly, if you have a rack of servers, what are you doing running on each one a window server, much less a compositing window server? You can get better performance running a stripped-down OS like Linux or BSD, as well as much better value (since the hardware is cheaper and the OS is free). And if you need just one OS X server, then using a tower instead will have minimal impact, assuming you even had a rack in the first place. Apple's recommendation of using Mac Mini or Mac Pro are ok if you just need a one-off server for a small business and don't care about serious hardware/server features. Agreed. But for anything else, especially the enterprise? It's insulting! Replacing a 1U blade with a 6U that has NO hardware server features - no monitoring, no redundant power supply, and no hot swappable anything ???!!! That just doesn't even come close to cutting it. So, the only thing that cuts it is a blade? :-) Then use blades. Run an open-source server OS and hire some decent server admins who don't need GUI crutches. Or commission the development of some nice administration tools. I saw today that Jobs gave one his crapo terse email replies, to the effect that the XServe just wasn't selling well. That's a risk that you have to manage. If you rely on non- commoditized products, you're liable to have the rug pulled out from under you. You can't blame Apple for cutting their losses. Dude, you got a Dell! I do have a Dell, running Debian GNU/Linux. With a free OS, the logo on the box becomes unimportant. My clients are budgeted to upgrade their grids in 7 or 8 months. Since there will be no Mac hardware appropriate... we're now starting the conversion off Mac OS X to FreeBSD, so we'll be able to switch to non-Mac blades easily. Sounds like a happy ending to me. :-) Looks like Dell is working with ARM; good potential there for some multi-core Cortex based blades! The new ARM processors will reportedly do 40-bit addressing too. Or maybe we'll go POWER. I donno; haven't really started looking yet. Uncertainty is normal for the recently emancipated. ;-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Awesome mod...
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Tina K. wrote: On 2010/11/01 23:43, Jeff Bequette so eloquently wrote: Now if we could just squeeze a macbook into a clamshell... That would be too cool for school! Imagine the reaction you would get when you are working on a Tangerene MacBook. Well, mine's graphite, not tangerine, but at a local hacker space it was compared to a toilet seat. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD Won't Boot from OS 9.2.2
On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:13 AM, t...@io.com wrote: So, the MDD seems to be pretty functional at this point with 9.2.2. I'm rather happy at solving these two issues, as this has been weighing in the back of mind for two years as one of the projects I should get to some day before the computer goes out of service, although honestly, my partner, Diane, never boots into Classic, so I'm not sure why I care that much. I actually write code for classic Mac OS, and some days *I'm* not sure why. :-) There are two issues left that I am aware of: 1) How do I get the %^#$%#$ DVD drive open? The keyboard function keys don't work in OS 9.2.2 and the keyboard shortcut for Eject only works if there is already a disk in the drive. The Eject Strip control strip item does this. I have version 1.1 on my G4 iMac. Judging from its inconsistent icon placement on my system, it appears to require separate installation than the rest of Mac OS. It's part of Eject Extras 1.1. I don't remember exactly where it came from, but it's on the iMac system CDs somewhere. I'd guess it just lives in a folder on the CD and you have to manually copy it. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Oct 26, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Ashgrove wrote: On Oct 26, 4:34 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: The only concrete example I can think of is at the Intel introduction where Jobs stated that the PowerPC was definitely going to be supported through the next OS version, which it was. 10.4 to 10.5 also took a lot longer than previous iterations of OS X. No one official has said anything one way or another about 32- bit Intel systems not being supported in 10.7. All we have to go on is rank speculation and rampant paranoia. Probably guilty of both. But I still think it's going to happen. For what it's worth, every Mac OS X release after 10.2 Jaguar (arguably the first viable release) has cut off support for some systems supported by the previous version. 10.3 Panther requires built-in USB (i.e. NewWorld), 10.4 Tiger requires built-in FireWire, 10.5 Leopard requires G4 or later, and 10.6 Snow Leopard requires an Intel processor. If 10.7 Lion supports every system supported by its predecessor, it would be the first time a successor to a viable OS X release did so. I'll wager that Lion doesn't support Core Duo systems. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
On Oct 25, 2010, at 4:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote: We have lots of cats left on the list: [snip] Cheetah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_v10.0 Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Peter Haas wrote: On Oct 24, 2010, at 9:56 AM, James Therrault wrote: IBM was supposed to adapt PS2 to run on the PPC chips There WERE versions of that Microchannel machine which supported PPC. I think he meant OS/2. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Apple inside?
On Oct 24, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Apple inside? Date:Sonntag 24 Oktober 2010N From:Daniel Stewart daniel.stewart...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com The thing was though the new PPC processor apparently made the Core2 duo look like a Celeron in terms of performance The Core 2 Duo was a real performance boost comparted to the PowerPC G4 which was stuck at 1.5 GHz. I know, witch third party CPU upgrades 2 GHz is possible without overclocking – altough I'm not sure if they aren't overclocked by default? My recollection from the WWDC 2006 presentation is that multiple cores have gone mainstream as an alternative to increasing clock speed. Whereas a small increase in performance costs you a large increase in power consumption and heat generation, a reduction in performance (maybe 10 or 20%) cuts the heat and power in half -- at which point you can afford a second core, so overall performance is increased (provided you can keep both cores busy). Anyway, with the G4 stalled at speed/performance and the G5 running too hot and being too power hungry – Intel was the best move at this time. If you don't believe it, search some for some benchmarks. Don't go comparing a Quad G5 which is the most expensive desktop/ workstation you can get to an Intel MacBook! I can confirm that a Core Duo iMac easily outperforms a dual G5 tower, compiling a large application in gcc on OS X. I suspect that the PowerPC implementation of Mach-O is less efficient than both the Intel implementation and CFM. I don't know many Apple users who want to Use Windoze unless they absolutely have to Argument from ignorance. I don't like Windows either, but let's stick to the real world. With Intel Macs you have to emulation a PowerPC to run Classic applications. Sheepshave can do this, although I hear it is not that easy and sometimes unstable. Confirmed. Stability and setup difficulty are among the issues affecting SheepShaver's usability. Anyway, since most Intel Macs are performing so well, this emulation results in native speed compared to a real PowerPC. Amazing, isn't it? SheepShaver may be faster for some I/O-intensive operations, but for CPU-bound tasks a real machine performs better. (At least for now.) 68K emulators, on the other hand, are orders of magnitude faster than the original hardware. Ultimately Apple ended up looking like impatient dummies and paid the price. I wonder to whom they look that way, besides yourself. Again, I like PowerPC more than Intel, but that doesn't mean switching was the wrong choice for Apple. For one thing, the entire clock speed war is now irrelevant, since Mac OS X and Windows run on the same chips. Yes, made them have the best financial quarter in their history. They are rich now. It's hard to argue with results like that. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:38 AM, Brian Christmas wrote: On 21/10/2010, at 10:02 PM, James Therrault wrote: If things turn out as many are suggesting, Apple's ascension may run smack into a brick wall. Unless there's an early groundswelling, i doubt it. The hugely popular ascent of the iPad and iPhone with their controlled content seem to indicate that the unwashed/unthinking masses want to be fed controlled content. I wouldn't assert that they actively *want* to be nannied, but rather they WANT SHINY, and are willing to give up their freedom for it. Though they might not be willing to *admit* that they're compromising. Many people would rather see a bright future than a bleak one -- even if that requires denying or ignoring unpleasant facts. So they dismiss concerns as somehow invalid (e.g. You're just jealous because Bill Gates is a billionaire and you're not.[1]) or display outright hostility to the messenger (Can't afford a new Mac? GET A JOB.) You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. Yup, time to watch The Matrix again. Josh [1] Remember that one? It turned out that those who complained about Microsoft's workmanship and business practices weren't just blowing smoke, surprisingly enough. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:38 AM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: On 21/10/10 7:02 AM, James Therrault jetas...@netzero.com wrote: And, I see Apple slipping into big brother mode which humankind will naturally resist. I have detected a creaping feeling of the heavy thumb of Applelonian control. ...And you'll see why 1984 won't be like 1984. Jobs is starting to look and sound like that big brother face on the screen in the famous 1984 commercial, glasses and all. For reference: Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail! The integration vs. fragmentation dichotomy is straight from this script. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: IS the world about to change ?
On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Fluxstringer wrote: Lion ? Don't know? I went to the Apple site to watch the streaming video of the presentation and was rudely greeted with this: Streaming video requires Safari 4 or 5 on Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Safari on iOS 3 or later. It's nothing new for a Web site to require one vendor's browser and operating system in order to function, but typically that's been Microsoft. So much for Apple's commitment to Web standards. intellectual honesty and html5 by Christopher Blizzard http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/06/intellectual-honesty-and-html5/ Seriously, *Snow Leopard*? Leopard isn't even three years old yet. Apple still provides security updates for it. What's the deal here? I'm on a PPC G5 with 10.5.8 and current Safari v. 5.0.2 (5533.18.5) and I CAN'T see the streaming video because it REQUIRES Snow Leopard 10.6!!! Unibody MacBook Pro, less than two years old, running the OS it shipped with. I guess I'll be spared seeing the video, then. I was *going* to watch the iPhone 4 keynote, and had started to watch it, then paused it to attend to something else. I came back to it the next day, unpaused... and hey, I don't remember this part... *rewind a minute* nor this... *rewind a few more minutes* no, not this part either... wait, what? This is the iOS 4 intro! Yes, The streaming video server decided to replace my usual morning video with Folger's brand and see if I'd notice the difference. But even without such shenanigans, streaming video is worse than a downloadable video file. Air travel is a perfect opportunity to watch an hour-long video, since I'm sitting in one place for a while anyway and free of Internet-sourced distractions (as well as the resources that I often need to get work done). If they'd just let me download it, I could watch it at my convenience. Of course, then people would share it with others, depriving Apple of viewing metrics, and possibly even *gasp* REMIX it. Which I thought was one of the things you were supposed to do with a Mac -- be creative. Sometimes Apple is so insane. Apple is not what you or I wish they were. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: iTunes De-authorize issue on a G5
On Oct 18, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: When you have a DRM track the first thing to do is create a non-DRM duplicate, then trash the original DRM file and never worry about authorization again. It's your music, who are they to authorize anything? The zeroeth thing to do is never buy content with Digital Restriction Management in the first place. I don't even have an iTunes account. Periodically I buy and rip CDs. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: 64-bit question
On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Arnel Tuazon wrote: I know my G5 is 64-bit (I have the late 2005 dual core PPC G5), but is Leopard (10.5.9) 64-bit? I've been looking on the net, but couldn't find a definitive answer. I was told that only 10.6+ is 64-bit. If this is true is there an alternative OS that will run at 64-bit on the PPC G5? Not that I would install it, I was just curious if there was one. What do you mean by 64-bit? If there's nothing specific that you're trying to accomplish, and you're just curious... then sure, Leopard is 64-bit, according to Apple's marketing at the time. :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Annoyance #23
On Sep 30, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Charles Davis wrote: G5 tower Dual 2Ghz, 2Gb RAM, System Profiler provides this information: and from USB string: Picture 3.pngPicture 2.png The problem, there is only ONE internal modem physically there. Naturally, I would prefer the V.92 one to be what is there, but where/what is the other info coming from? The listings look suspiciously like two views of the same device. Notice how no field exists in both records. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Annoyance #23
On Sep 30, 2010, at 6:26 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Hi Josh: Your right, because there IS only one device. The question is WHY the different identifications, and where is the 'spurious' information coming from. I.I they ARE two views of the same device, Why are the listings different? And, what does it mean? and Why isn't there peace in the Middle East?, the World? Because the players involved collectively prefer war. The other question I can't answer. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Always weird problems!!!
On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Dan wrote: At 1:49 AM -0400 9/26/2010, Charles Davis wrote: Sounds reasonable!!! But --- my impression was that the 'Dashboard' Widgets were 'useful little utilities, that were invoked by 'clicking on their Icon ON DASHBOARD. [But maybe thats too logical a way of looking at it.] People were expecting / wanted an equivalent of the old Desktop Accessory system from the Classic Mac OS. A *fast* and *easy* to use mechanism. I'll keep this in mind as I develop Lamp (Lamp ain't Mac POSIX). While the set of GUI elements remains limited for the moment, it's possible to write applets in the Lamp environment in any compiled or interpreted language, including the shell. You can even *set up* a window using a shell script and then transfer control to another program, after which the shell is no longer running. But where the DA system used real applications, Dashboard is an interpreted JavaScript environment, essentially a rip-off of Konfabulator (which was later purchased by Yahoo and released as Yahoo! Widgets Engine). As such, it takes a while to start up (launch). That delay, to access such simple tools, would make people scream! So... Apple's solution is to p*ss 15 to 40 MB of your real memory (depends on how many widgets are enabled) and some % of your cpu, to launch Dashboard, then keep it running forever thereafter. In a strict technical sense, desk accessories are drivers (although since System 7 each runs in its own process), but yeah, they're compiled code. It's too bad they didn't reuse the Unix philosophy and create an API that developers could target with a program in any language, be it compiled or interpreted. Not one of Apple's best ideas. Unless it makes you buy a new Mac... Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digital Audio won't boot os9
On Sep 24, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Richard Gerome wrote: I've been having the same problem too... I think you can not do a dual boot on Panther and higher it will only work with Jaguar and back??? I have a retail copy of OS 9.2.2 that came with my first version of OS 10 and it won't work and all these machines did run them at one time before I upgraded to Tiger... I dual-booted OS 9 and Panther on my clamshell, and I currently have OS 9 and Tiger on a TiBook. (Now the clamshell boots OS 9 and Debian.) :-) Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: VersionTracker folds
On Sep 20, 2010, at 6:42 AM, ah...clem wrote: On Sep 19, 10:02 pm, Tina K. pengu...@gmx.com wrote: How can the Windows users stand it? u . . . they're WINBLOZE users. duh! how intelligent or discriminating could they possibly be? they've already demonstrated their willingness to eat s#*! and then beg for more. they're the kind of people that make amerika great. people with world's highest cash to IQ ratio. herren und damen, doesn't it just make you want to break into a chorus of Gott Bless Amerika? btw, i predict that this thread will be terminated by the moderators almost instantly. denken sie nicht? That won't be necessary, as you've already done us the favor. ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Anyway, I'll see your recommendation of AdBlock Plus and raise you NoScript. NoScript blocks any Javascript-based ads (that ABP doesn't already catch), but more importantly, it's your best line of defense against scripting attacks. It also makes browsing faster by not loading useless scripts like analytic trackers. The catch is that you have to selectively enable scripts for each site which needs them, and often sites don't tell you to enable scripting -- and fail in non- obvious ways if you don't. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Hardware or Software Problem?
On Sep 20, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Matt Rhinesmith wrote: What you're seeing is a kernel panic, which usually is because the OS detects a problem with the installed memory sticks. In my experience, it's because there is a mismatch in specs between two or more banks of RAM. I usually run the Apple Hardware Test and look at the specs of the RAM in each bank. For kernel-free operation (at least as far as RAM goes in 10.4.11), match the speeds, latency and other specs and you should resolve your issue. Kernel-free operation, eh? Just gonna let all them applicayshuns run wild? ;-) I know you're joking, but what you say has a... (seed? nucleus? No, what's the word... oh, wait -- nugget!) What you say has a nugget of truth to it. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digital Audio doesn't recognize Sonnet ST / processor temperature
On Sep 6, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Digital Audio doesn't recognize Sonnet ST / processor temperature Date:Montag 06 September 2010N From:J.M.P.Hissel jo...@xs4all.nl To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On 06-09-2010 21:56, Mac User #330250, macuser330...@gmx.net, wrote: But yeah PCs don't feature Mac OS X! If by 'feature' you mean 'include' or 'have as a primary selling point', then this is correct. Sorry, but I don't agree. See the hackintosh-list on googlegroups. Let's not argue over semantics. No, Mac OS X is not made for standard PCs. And: please respect the license. Apple doesn't allow installation on non-Mac computers. Apple is not a legislative body -- it's not their prerogative to allow or disallow anything from a legal standpoint. In some countries, the EULA isn't valid, so you're free to install a purchased copy of OS X on any machine you wish. It's not inherently illegal to do things that Apple doesn't like. Compliance with the law is one thing. Respect, however, must be earned. Josh -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
