Re: Flashing PCI cards if you do NOT have a PC

2010-05-25 Thread deadwinter
helo? Anyone?

-carlos

On May 17, 12:17 pm, deadwinter thecar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I am now the (happy?) owner of a GeForce 5200.  It's on its
 way.  Now, should I be able to flash this guy with just a G3 or ion my
 MDD using Graphiccelerator?  I ask because I found the following
 somewhere:

 To be able to use the nVidia flasher on the Mac OS X, a Geforce card
 must already have a Mac ROM file in it. If a card already has a Mac
 ROM in it, you can flash a different Mac ROM file or a PC ROM file
 into it on the Mac. However, if you are flashing a PC Geforce 2 MX
 card and you have an AGP 2X (Sawtooth or Gigabit) Mac or the Cube, a
 card does not have to have a Mac ROM file in it before you can flash
 it on the Mac

 Needless to say this causes me some concern.

 -carlos

 On May 14, 7:05 pm, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote:

  On May 12, 10:17 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

   The best possible PCI card for a PCI Mac is the nVidia GeForce FX6200 
   that are the only PCI cards that can enable Core Graphics. Again, you'll 
   only be able to enable  
   Quartz Extreme up to OS 10.4.11 because PCI Extreme doesn't work in 
   Leopard 10.5.

  The GeFore 6200 (and, I'm pretty sure the 5200/5500) has Quartz
  Extreme supported without using PCIExtreme, it shows Core Image and
  Quartz Extreme enabled in both Tiger and Leopard.

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Re: Flashing PCI cards if you do NOT have a PC

2010-05-17 Thread deadwinter
Well, I am now the (happy?) owner of a GeForce 5200.  It's on its
way.  Now, should I be able to flash this guy with just a G3 or ion my
MDD using Graphiccelerator?  I ask because I found the following
somewhere:

To be able to use the nVidia flasher on the Mac OS X, a Geforce card
must already have a Mac ROM file in it. If a card already has a Mac
ROM in it, you can flash a different Mac ROM file or a PC ROM file
into it on the Mac. However, if you are flashing a PC Geforce 2 MX
card and you have an AGP 2X (Sawtooth or Gigabit) Mac or the Cube, a
card does not have to have a Mac ROM file in it before you can flash
it on the Mac

Needless to say this causes me some concern.

-carlos



On May 14, 7:05 pm, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote:
 On May 12, 10:17 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

  The best possible PCI card for a PCI Mac is the nVidia GeForce FX6200 that 
  are the only PCI cards that can enable Core Graphics. Again, you'll only be 
  able to enable  
  Quartz Extreme up to OS 10.4.11 because PCI Extreme doesn't work in Leopard 
  10.5.

 The GeFore 6200 (and, I'm pretty sure the 5200/5500) has Quartz
 Extreme supported without using PCIExtreme, it shows Core Image and
 Quartz Extreme enabled in both Tiger and Leopard.

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Flashing PCI cards if you do NOT have a PC

2010-05-12 Thread deadwinter
Here's another stupid question.  This is unclear to me.  I think the
answer is yes but I'd like to confirm.  Does anyone know if you can
flash ATI cards if you ONLY have, say, a G4 or G3 desktop with PCI
slots, and no access to a PC?

-carlos

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Ubuntu, G3, XPostFacto

2010-05-11 Thread deadwinter
Hi folks:

I've been searching the archives and I could have sworn we recently
had a discussion around using XPostFacto to boot Ubuntu from a
firewire drive on a beige G3.  Did I imagine that?

-carlos

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Re: Overclocking a Rev A Beige Desktop that's been upgraded to a G4

2010-05-05 Thread deadwinter
Damn, DC, thanks for all the info.  I will now proceed with caution
and not try to deal with those tiny jumpers.

Also, I was *this* close to getting a cheap 700 on eBay.  Clearly I
need to do some more research.  Cheap is good, but I don't really want
to spend time getting over incompatibilities with 9.1

Wait, there's a GeForce 6200 for the Mac?

-carlos

On May 5, 7:57 am, dc dbc...@verizon.net wrote:
 On May 4, 3:48 pm, deadwinter thecar...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have a Rev.A Beige Desktop G3. maxed out in RAM, with the stock 4GB
  HD.  I upgraded the CPU to a G4, so now it's up to 500MHz.  OS is
  10.2.6.  Strangely, with the L2 cache enabled (I'm assuming that if I
  ran the Sonnet enabler and I can see it in the System profiler it's
  enabled), performance has not gotten much better.  I am willing to
  believe the real bottleneck is disk i/o, but I was wondering...could I
  overclock this thing?  Most articles I've read focus On overclocking
  the G3 CPU up to 500, but mine is already at 500.  How far up can I
  go, and has anyone done this?

 I have a number of upgraded beige G3s running Tiger with XPostFacto.
 There are several things you can do to improve the performance.
 First off, if you are using a Sonnet G4 500 MHz, moving the board
 jumpers won't change the processor speed, Sonnet processors set the
 speed to 500 no matter where the jumpers are placed.
 A better hard drive will make a world of difference, I use 15,000 rpm/
 16 MB SCSI drives and ATTO PCI SCSI cards. The cards are easy to find
 and cheap, same with the SCSI drives now that so many people going
 with SATA. An added bonus, you don't need to worry about the 8GB limit
 when you use a controller card, your OS X partition can be any size
 you like.
 There are several video card options. The Radeon 7000* is one, Radeon
 9000 or 9250 are better, GeForce 5200/5500 or 6200 are the best in my
 opinion.
 *if you go with the Radeon 7000 you are going to have trouble with
 XPostFacto and OS 9.2.2.  You need OS 9 for XPostFacto but the 7000
 will only work with the extensions from 9.0 or 9.1, so either leave it
 OS 9 or 9.1 or you can copy the 9.1 extensions and replace the 9.2.2
 extension with the copies.
 To use XPostFacto partition your hard drive with 3 partitions, one for
 OS X, one for OS 9, and the 3rd for OS 9 that will be used by OS X for
 Classic.  All these tips can still be found on the XPostFacto page.
 There is not much activity on the XPF forum anymore, most other Mac
 users have moved beyond beige.

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Overclocking a Rev A Beige Desktop that's been upgraded to a G4

2010-05-04 Thread deadwinter
Hi folks:

I've been searching the archives and I'm not sure if anyone's done
what I am attempting to do.

I have a Rev.A Beige Desktop G3. maxed out in RAM, with the stock 4GB
HD.  I upgraded the CPU to a G4, so now it's up to 500MHz.  OS is
10.2.6.  Strangely, with the L2 cache enabled (I'm assuming that if I
ran the Sonnet enabler and I can see it in the System profiler it's
enabled), performance has not gotten much better.  I am willing to
believe the real bottleneck is disk i/o, but I was wondering...could I
overclock this thing?  Most articles I've read focus On overclocking
the G3 CPU up to 500, but mine is already at 500.  How far up can I
go, and has anyone done this?

-carlos

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Re: Overclocking a Rev A Beige Desktop that's been upgraded to a G4

2010-05-04 Thread deadwinter
Ah, but you see, Len, I have a plan that someone suggested earlier.
It involves XPostFacto, cloning the drive to a firewire drive, setting
the internal HD as a helper drive,  and a chicken.   This should
remove the 8GB issue.


That being said, the Radeon 700 seems like an easy thing to do.

Since the machine was free, and I've already spent (between CPU, ADB
KB/Mouse, RAM, etc) a fair bit on it, I'm just screwing around with it
at this point.

I do have a maxed out MDD I'm working on.  But that's another story.

-carlos



On May 4, 5:27 pm, Len Gerstel lgers...@gmail.com wrote:
 On May 4, 2010, at 4:01 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:





  On May 4, 2010, at 12:48 PM, deadwinter wrote:

  I have a Rev.A Beige Desktop G3. maxed out in RAM, with the stock 4GB
  HD.  I upgraded the CPU to a G4, so now it's up to 500MHz.  OS is
  10.2.6.  Strangely, with the L2 cache enabled (I'm assuming that if I
  ran the Sonnet enabler and I can see it in the System profiler it's
  enabled), performance has not gotten much better.

  Yup. You're not going to get a whole lot better.

   I am willing to
  believe the real bottleneck is disk i/o,

  The real bottleneck is probably a close thing between the 66 MHZ  
  memory bus and the slow HDD.

   Upgrading the HDD will help a little, but the best visible  
  performance enhancement would be to stick in a better video card,  
  like a Radeon PCI card. When I stuck a Radeon 7000 into my Beige,  
  the difference was quite noticeable.

 How much effort do you want to put into this? If it is to tinker as a  
 hobby, go for it. If it is for serious use, try and spring for an agp  
 G4, which will be significantly faster.

 That being said, the upgrade options are the following:

 Radeon 7000 or original Mac Edition will give you the most speed up  
 feel.

 A faster/newer HD will help, but you are limited to 120GB without an  
 add in card. And the drive MUST be partitioned with the first  
 partition being 8GB or less and that has to have your 10.2 install. A  
 pci ATA/133 or SATA card will get you around these limits. BTW, do  
 you have enough free space on the disk. a 4GB disk with a 10.2  
 install does not have a lot of extra room, you may be getting into a  
 disk too full situation.

 How is the speed for your processor set? Some G4s use the motherboard  
 jumpers and some are set by the card that actually holds the G4 chip.

 If it is the Motherboard jumpers, you can easily overclock it to  
 533MHz. The beiges have a maximum multiplier of 8x the bus speed, so  
 533 is the fastest you can go. If it is on the chip, I do not know  
 how to overclock it.

 If you have one of the early beiges, you can check the rated speed of  
 the Grackle (IIRC) chip. This chip is rated at either 83 or 66MHz. If  
 it is 66, stop here.

 If it is 83, you MAY have a little room to play with. IF this is a  
 toy and not a Mac you have to depend on proceed with caution. You may  
 be able to overclock the motherboard bus speed to 83MHz, but you also  
 need to have pc100 or faster ram, not pc66. Here are some instructions:

 http://lowendmac.com/ppc/j16.shtml

 HTH,
 Len

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Re: Overclocking a Rev A Beige Desktop that's been upgraded to a G4

2010-05-04 Thread deadwinter
It's already running 10.2.  It was given to me that way.

I've heard about the beiges, and I was frankly astounded when the
Orange Micro card just worked.  As per another old thread, what I am
intending to do is this:

http://tinyurl.com/2boq6n4

-carlos

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Should I get a Pismo...

2010-03-01 Thread deadwinter
Hi folks:

I have a sort of...hypothetical question.  Over the time I've owned my
MacBook, I've developed an irrational but unshakeable hatred for slot
loaded cd/dvd drives.  Thus, I've been looking at the possibility of
getting a Pismo as a secondary or replacement for my MacBook.

The question is...given that a G4 upgrade will run me at least $200,
is it even worth it to get a Pismo, and if it is, how much should I be
looking to pay?  $100?  $200?

-carlos

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Re: Should I get a Pismo...

2010-03-01 Thread deadwinter
I have to say, the usb-powered dvd drive route didn't occur.

I guess I was dazzled by the pismo and the possibility of running
Ubuntu on it :)

-carlos

On Mar 1, 2:40 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 On Mar 1, 2010, at 11:50 AM, deadwinter wrote:

  I have a sort of...hypothetical question.  Over the time I've owned my
  MacBook, I've developed an irrational but unshakeable hatred for slot
  loaded cd/dvd drives.

 So get an external tray loading drive and use it instead, rather than  
 setting yourself up to compute with both hands and one leg tied behind  
 your back. A Pismo is a *gigantic* step down from a MacBook.

 Unless you want a Pismo per se, ie: you're a collector, you have an  
 irrational love of them, etc, no it's not worth it.

 --
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 College of Pharmacy
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Re: running OS 9.2 from a folder vs a partition.

2010-02-19 Thread deadwinter
Oh, I used a Quadra in school.  I haven't forgotten (or forgiven)
System 7.

Anyway,  the point (if there is one) of this G3 exercise of mine is to
squeeze performance out of this poor thing.  I want to establish if
the way it's setup now would make a difference, performance wise.  To
be clear, I don't use Classic from 10.2.  I set it up to boot from the
OS9 system folder.  Would this be less performant(sic?) than having
its own partition, or is the real difference that OS9 could take the
whole disk with it if it crashed?

...and on the heels of that, another question.  Does this sort of
thing make a difference when you're installing, say, a PCI FW/USB
card?

-carlos

On Feb 19, 12:18 pm, Robert MacLeay rmacl...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 18, 11:41 pm, deadwinter thecar...@gmail.com wrote:

  I thought I had a partition for 10.2 and another for OS9.2, but upon
  closer examination it looks like I have OS 10.2 and a folder labeled
  OS9 applications, OS 9 System, etc.  In the Startup Disk control
  panel, I can choose that the system use the OS9 system folder, which
  will make it boot into OS9, and viceversa.

  Can someone enlighten me as to why the previous owner would run it
  like this as opposed to there being two separate partitions?  Do I
  gain anything?  Lose anything?

 As Bruce said, what you have is the default configuration for using
 Classic mode inside of OSX. Its fine as-is if that is what you are
 doing.

 If you REALLY, literally mean booting into OS 9, I would strongly
 suggest adding it to a separate partition and booting off the separate
 partition.

 The reason for this is that when OS 9 crashes, it has a tendency to
 mess up not only its own preferences, but the directory structure of
 the boot disk. This latter is not at all good for rebooting under
 either OS later on. You are far better off with an expendable
 partition that can easily be restored by cloning from a backup.

 Back in the Bad Old Days when I was using the Mac OS for productivity,
 I would always partition the disk and keep my data files on a separate
 partition. That way, when I crashed only the boot partition would be
 messed up; my data files were almost always safe.

 We are spoiled by the fantastic reliability of OSX, and tend to forget
 how often application crashes would bring down the older Mac systems.

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running OS 9.2 from a folder vs a partition.

2010-02-18 Thread deadwinter
Hi folks:

I thought I had a partition for 10.2 and another for OS9.2, but upon
closer examination it looks like I have OS 10.2 and a folder labeled
OS9 applications, OS 9 System, etc.  In the Startup Disk control
panel, I can choose that the system use the OS9 system folder, which
will make it boot into OS9, and viceversa.

Can someone enlighten me as to why the previous owner would run it
like this as opposed to there being two separate partitions?  Do I
gain anything?  Lose anything?

-carlos

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Re: Beige Desktop Ram Question

2010-02-12 Thread deadwinter


On Feb 9, 4:38 pm, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:


 Another way to get quicker HD response is using XPF to boot from a  
 Firewire 400 external HD. This is cheap and gets rid of both the 1st 8  
 GB limit and the 128 GB limit, which only the ATA-133 card would also  
 do, but normally at higher total cost and less usage flexibility.



See, there you have piqued my interest. I also have a Beige G3 and  I
have an OrangeMicro combo USB/FW card that I haven't installed yet.
The idea of cloning my existing 4GB system drive to a higher capacity
drive and putting that in a FW enclosure is very attractive.  Has
anyone around here done this successfully?

-carlos

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Re: Do you need stuffit to install...stuffit?

2010-01-29 Thread deadwinter
Thanks for all the advice.  I did try to unstuff it in the OS X
folder, and copied it over to the System folder on OS9, but no dice.
In the end I found a friend who had a 9.0 CD and just installed
Stuffit from the CD.

Odd.

-carlos


On Jan 29, 4:38 pm, Tim [G4 Sawtooth, 350MHz CPU / AGP / 320 MB]
pdxb...@gmail.com wrote:
 The hqx extension indicates a binhex file, which you could unencode in
 a separate pass.

 It is tricky, since any mac app that's prepared to be handled by the
 arbitrary filesystem, will be encoded.
 If you can already open a .bin, get BinHex (below) it'll decode
 your .hqx to an .sea, which then will self-extract by being double
 clicked.

 You will find many classic apps in this archive.  
 http://www.newnan.cc/FTP.html
 BinHex is only 6K!  http://www.pure-mac.com/compen.html#binhex

 On Jan 28, 11:13 am, deadwinter thecar...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi folks:

  As I mentioned before, I have a Beige G3 Desktop I've been playing
  with.  In order to get a couple of things installed on the OS9
  partition, I apparently need Stuffit Classic.  However, having
  downloaded Stuffit Classic, I notice that the file has an hqx
  extension, which means that it needs to be opened with...

  Stuffit.

  I don't have Stuffit in any way shape or form on that machine
  presently.  So I am wondering how to solve this chicken-egg issue and
  if I'm missing something obvious.

  Incidentally, I have neither the OS9 or 10.2 CDs

  I tried unpacking it on the OS X partition and then burning the
  unpacked file to a CD...no dice.  I keep getting an error that says
  that the system doesn't know what application it was created with.

  Any help would be appreciated.

  -carlos

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Do you need stuffit to install...stuffit?

2010-01-28 Thread deadwinter
Hi folks:

As I mentioned before, I have a Beige G3 Desktop I've been playing
with.  In order to get a couple of things installed on the OS9
partition, I apparently need Stuffit Classic.  However, having
downloaded Stuffit Classic, I notice that the file has an hqx
extension, which means that it needs to be opened with...

Stuffit.

I don't have Stuffit in any way shape or form on that machine
presently.  So I am wondering how to solve this chicken-egg issue and
if I'm missing something obvious.

Incidentally, I have neither the OS9 or 10.2 CDs

I tried unpacking it on the OS X partition and then burning the
unpacked file to a CD...no dice.  I keep getting an error that says
that the system doesn't know what application it was created with.

Any help would be appreciated.

-carlos

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How to clone existing OS X/9.2.1 installation to a bigger drive

2010-01-13 Thread deadwinter
Hi folks:

I'm looking for help in essentially what the subject says.  I have a
Beige Desktop G3 which I just upgraded with a Sonnet Encore, and added
RAM.  Now I am trying to upgrade the hard drive.  The kicker, however,
is that I have both OS9 and OS X 10.2 on there, and I no longer have
the media for either.

This article  (http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-Zone/IDE/) seems to
indicate that I would need to create two partitions in the new drive,
and that I'd need to do a fresh install of OS 10.2 into that first
(smaller than 8GB !) partition.  Then I could clone the old OS 9
partition into the new drive.

Of course, I can't do the former, as I don't have the media for 10.2.
I have 10.4, but that would mean I'd need XPostFacto in there, and I'd
rather do that after the hard drive upgrade.

Does anyone have any ideas as to how this may be accomplished?  Do I
just try to hunt down someone with the old 10.2 CDs?

Best Regards:

-carlos rodriguez


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Re: How to clone existing OS X/9.2.1 installation to a bigger drive

2010-01-13 Thread deadwinter
Excellent.  Thank you both.

-carlos

On Jan 13, 4:21 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu
wrote:
 On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:00 PM, deadwinter wrote:

  Thanks Bruce, that makes sense.  At the risk of sounding dense, how
  would I partition the second drive in the first place?  Using OS 9 or
  using OS X?

 Either one, it doesn't matter, both can partition the disk.

 ONce you do get 10,2 running on it, go to http://web.archive.org and  
 look upwww.bombich.comthere. IN 2003 or so look for the OS X tricks,  
 one of them is instructions on moving your user directory to another  
 partition, this makes living on a 8gb partition quite doable.

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 Bruce Johnson
 University of Arizona
 College of Pharmacy
 Information Technology Group

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