Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Well tonight I decided to reinstall Tiger on the drive that the G5 shipped with, since I hadn't really done much with that in terms of installing software, having concentrated on the Leopard that I had put on the second HD and though the seller had done a clean and sensible install of OSX, I still prefer setting the OS myself. So I wiped the drive and installed Tiger from my install DVD. I then just went to software update and let that all happen and - after the usual multiple updates and restarts,, lo and behold - my internal firewire 400 ports were now working perfectly! So you were right Kris - it WAS a software issue! I shall now do the combined update on the Leopard drive and report back! I'm really pleased to have what is my second fastest Mac fully operational again. I got this G5 quite cheap because it had been dropped or fumblehanded and so its feet are a little bent and the lower fold sticks out a bit at the bottom rear under the access panel, so bidding on it was (as I had hoped!) not enthusiastic and I only had to pay £71 for it, and was able to collect from the seller, rather than having it shipped. So another nice little Low End Mac for the collection! As to Internet sharing - OK I've got a router somewhere that I've not got around to playing with yet, which is the obvious solution, but I find sharing my internet using fireWire has a certain appeal to the geek in me, and I've had success in the past with this, using my 1GHz G4 iMac for long Skype conversations with a friend while browsing on one of my eMacs. Cheers Kris - thanks for sharing your expertise. Dan. here's a prediction - I'm going to send this now and I'll probably get a message saying that the session has timed out and I need to resendand I'll do that and probably get a double post! Ok, it appears you are trying to share an internet connection from the MDD to the G5 via the FW800? I'm still thinking you've got a software issue regarding the FW400 because normally if the built-in were fried, the PCI cards would still function normally. After you add the PCI card, you have to open up System PreferenceNetwork so that the new Firewire network ports are recognized and added by the System into the network system software. Once they show up in Network Preferences Pane, then you can share an internet connection over them, but prior to being recognized and added in Network they'll be invisible and dead for Internet Sharing or any other TCP/IP over Firewire operations. further thought anyone? I'd reinstall those Combo Updates on both Macs, and see what happens. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Well still no success with FW400 on the G5. Kris, I downloaded the update, but I'm somewhat loath to use it as I don't think it's an OS issue: I have both Tiger on the drive it came with, and Leopard on the SATA drive I put in. FW400 works in neither - if it worked in tiger but not Leopard then I would obviously try this. I recently found a cheap generic FW400 in a box so I've tried that in place of the Belkin FW400/800 card I had in there.. (I've used one of these cheapo PC FW cards before in my Macs and they work fine in G4's) and again it shows up in System Profiler as a firewire card with driver installed., but will not talk to anything, although it powers the device (Griffin FireWave again). I just tried launching the G5 in Target Disk mode. With the FireWave plugged in via adapter to the FW800 socket, and a FW400 cable from the FireWave to my MirrorDoor G4 running Leopard, the G5 does not show up as a Target. System Profiler on the MD sees it as an unknown device.with manufature as 'AAPL. I then restarted the G5 and its System Profiler sees the G4 as a Macintosh attached to the FireWave. I have internet sharing enabled on both machines but the G5 tells me straight away that I am not connected to the internet when I launch Software Update. However this could be a red herring, as I always seem to have to futz around to get this to work!) I have just tried FW800 cable connecting the two machines, and TDM works fine, using the G5 as Target. Curious! (but not unexpected, as this was how I originally installed Leopard on the G5. (Internet connection sharing still doesn't happen though. More futzing required for that I guess!) further thought anyone? Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Well still no success with FW400 on the G5. Kris, I downloaded the update, but I'm somewhat loath to use it as I don't think it's an OS issue: I have both Tiger on the drive it came with, and Leopard on the SATA drive I put in. FW400 works in neither - if it worked in tiger but not Leopard then I would obviously try this. I recently found a cheap generic FW400 in a box so I've tried that in place of the Belkin FW400/800 card I had in there.. (I've used one of these cheapo PC FW cards before in my Macs and they work fine in G4's) and again it shows up in System Profiler as a firewire card with driver installed., but will not talk to anything, although it powers the device (Griffin FireWave again). I just tried launching the G5 in Target Disk mode. With the FireWave plugged in via adapter to the FW800 socket, and a FW400 cable from the FireWave to my MirrorDoor G4 running Leopard, the G5 does not show up as a Target. System Profiler on the MD sees it as an unknown device.with manufature as 'AAPL. I then restarted the G5 and its System Profiler sees the G4 as a Macintosh attached to the FireWave. I have internet sharing enabled on both machines but the G5 tells me straight away that I am not connected to the internet when I launch Software Update. However this could be a red herring, as I always seem to have to futz around to get this to work!) I have just tried FW800 cable connecting the two machines, and TDM works fine, using the G5 as Target. Curious! (but not unexpected, as this was how I originally installed Leopard on the G5. (Internet connection sharing still doesn't happen though. More futzing required for that I guess!) further thought anyone? Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
. I've had similar issues before, with both software and hardware causes. Hardware is always someone tried to insert a FW400 plug upside- down, and since FW400 carries power it shorts out the port permanently and it's dead forever. Hi Kris: Agreed, but I've still got power to my FW400's - just not data. I could understand if a fuse blows when a plug is mal-inserted - and I thought these fuses are designed to reset (?) - or does the short FUBAR the (FW chip?) so it will not send and receive data? The software issue is stranger, and I'm not sure of the cause? If you boot in verbose, the Firewire bus is initialized as one of the very first items. It needs to say S400 for speed rather than S100. from the console log (since there isn't that much time to focus on and read the verbose boot!) I see the following message appearing twice kernel FireWire (OHCI) TI ID8025 PCI now active, GUID 000f2e011ee8;max speed s800 which I presume is once for the internal FW800, and then again for the PCI card I've just plugged my FireWave in, firstly to the onboard FW800 socket, and then to the PCI card, and it shows up in system profiler both times, and I've just plugged my FireWire speakers in to that and they work nicely.. If is says S100 it won't recognize any FW400 devices. I believe a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key might rebuild System cache files that could possibly be responsible for this issue? I have tried safe boot and that hasn't resolved it. Otherwise you might try reinstalling the latest Combo Update and see if that fixes it? I shall go to the Apple site and download it. BTW is it me or has the Apple site s l o w e ddow n since it's been supplying Lion online? When I was going through the update process on this machine, a file of a mere 80MB was coming down at what felt like dial-up speed, It's now telling me 29 minutes for 759MB. BTW aoplogies for the previous triple post - it was Google wot done it, I only sent it once! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
. I've had similar issues before, with both software and hardware causes. Hardware is always someone tried to insert a FW400 plug upside- down, and since FW400 carries power it shorts out the port permanently and it's dead forever. Hi Kris: Agreed, but I've still got power to my FW400's - just not data. I could understand if a fuse blows when a plug is mal-inserted - and I thought these fuses are designed to reset (?) - or does the short FUBAR the (FW chip?) so it will not send and receive data? The software issue is stranger, and I'm not sure of the cause? If you boot in verbose, the Firewire bus is initialized as one of the very first items. It needs to say S400 for speed rather than S100. from the console log (since there isn't that much time to focus on and read the verbose boot!) I see the following message appearing twice kernel FireWire (OHCI) TI ID8025 PCI now active, GUID 000f2e011ee8;max speed s800 which I presume is once for the internal FW800, and then again for the PCI card I've just plugged my FireWave in, firstly to the onboard FW800 socket, and then to the PCI card, and it shows up in system profiler both times, and I've just plugged my FireWire speakers in to that and they work nicely.. If is says S100 it won't recognize any FW400 devices. I believe a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key might rebuild System cache files that could possibly be responsible for this issue? I have tried safe boot and that hasn't resolved it. Otherwise you might try reinstalling the latest Combo Update and see if that fixes it? I shall go to the Apple site and download it. BTW is it me or has the Apple site s l o w e ddow n since it's been supplying Lion online? When I was going through the update process on this machine, a file of a mere 80MB was coming down at what felt like dial-up speed, It's now telling me 29 minutes for 759MB. BTW aoplogies for the previous triple post - it was Google wot done it, I only sent it once! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote: Hi Kris: Agreed, but I've still got power to my FW400's - just not data. I could understand if a fuse blows when a plug is mal-inserted - and I thought these fuses are designed to reset (?) - or does the short FUBAR the (FW chip?) so it will not send and receive data? This is what happens when they do that: http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/deadfirewire.jpg Note: this computer ran just fine for years like this; it's on a 1Ghz G4 TiBook; I had to disable firewire support on it or it wouldn't sleep, and clearly it did not support firewire :-) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: I had to disable firewire support on it or it wouldn't sleep, and clearly it did not support firewire :-) I canNOT believe I forgot to add but clearly it supported 'ON Firewire'... -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognised. ..Dan. On Aug 20, 9:06 am, maggel...@gmail.com wrote: Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognised. ..Dan. On Aug 20, 9:06 am, maggel...@gmail.com wrote: Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognised. ..Dan. On Aug 20, 9:06 am, maggel...@gmail.com wrote: Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Deiniol ap Deiniol wrote: ...story continues... Well I tried resetting PRAM, and no difference. (I can't find the reset button on my motherboard to do the PMU: I have the take-apart guide stored on another Mac so I'll look at that later). I've also done open firmware reset(does this reset the PMU?) and I STILL have no firewire 400. My FW 400/800 card is recognised, and system Profiler just shows the two FW800 busses - the internal one and the one on the card. I'm still unclear as to why the FW400 part of the card is not coming on stream. After all OSX knows about firewire, so it should just find the card, and it certainly finds the FW800 bits without any fuss. My Griffin PowerWave powers uo from the FW400 port on the card, and, if connected to the FW800 bus via adapter cable, is recognized. I've had similar issues before, with both software and hardware causes. Hardware is always someone tried to insert a FW400 plug upside- down, and since FW400 carries power it shorts out the port permanently and it's dead forever. The software issue is stranger, and I'm not sure of the cause? If you boot in verbose, the Firewire bus is initialized as one of the very first items. It needs to say S400 for speed rather than S100. If is says S100 it won't recognize any FW400 devices. I believe a Safe Boot by holding the Shift key might rebuild System cache files that could possibly be responsible for this issue? Otherwise you might try reinstalling the latest Combo Update and see if that fixes it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Try this similar solutions...I almost get it back the 400 in my G5 Dual but for some reason the external HD still won't show up even when the MBoard recognized... 400 with Lack of power I think but the 800 is Ok.This problem happen often in G5's.Good luck!!! 1 Sterett Prevost Re: Stephen Curry and both FW ports Perhaps one of these suggestions will help: 1) Pull ALL cables (pwr, USB, etc) and let sit for 10 minutes; reconnect restart. 2) press the SMU reset button (ONCE) on the logic board; it is halfway between the lowest RAM slot and the bottom edge of the logic board. 3) Zap the P-RAM: After the startup tone, hold down cmdoptpr until 3 additional startup tones are heard, then release the 4 keys. Note: the cmd key is next to the space bar and may have an apple or propeller on it, while the opt key is next to it and may have the word option and/or alt on it. 4) Open Firmware reset for PPC: After the startup tone, hold down commandoptionof until the text screen is visible. When text can be entered, type the following commands, followed by the return key: reset-nvram set-defaults reset-all (the Mac will boot up after this command is entered 2 Nordahl I have revived FireWire ports with this Open Firmware action: Boot into Open Firmware: Restart holding command-option-of At the Open Firmware command line key in: reset-nvram press return reset-all press return Your MAChine should restart and your FireWire ports may be available. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Firewire 400 not working in G5 PowerMac
Greetings all :+) I've just acquired my first G5: a 1.8GHz with 1GB of memory. It came with 10.4 installed on an 80GB drive, and I put in a 500GB drive, and installed 10.5 on to it (my first SATA experience - went very smoothly) via Firewire 800 from one of my MirrorDoors, which came with a Time machine drive with Leopard on it. Both OS'es are fully updated. Lovely machine apart from a bent back leg, so it has had a fall in its history (probably why only two of us bid on it, and I got it for a reasonable price!) Gorgeous design statement although not as upgradeable, hardware-wise as the MirrorDoors. But I digress. All went well, but when I tried running my Firewire speakers, they lit up but when I looked at System profiler, it showed only the Firewire 800 bus as being present. I tried resetting PRAM and then NVRAM with no change. But wait, I have Firewire cards, I thought. The first one wouldn't fit: seems I now have a Mac with PCI-x slots! However I had a brand new 800/400 card that went in nicely, and now when I look in System Profiler I have two firewire 800 channels listed, but still no Firewire 400! My firmware seems to be up to date. On the positive side, I now have 2 more FW800 ports, and I can connect my external DVD drives via 400/800 adapter leads. Is the FW400 on the motherboard FUBAR'ed and would this mean it would not recognise the FW400 'bits' of the card? From memory, disk utility knew my 1st gen iPod was connected, even though it wasn't showing on the desktop, . Hoping y'all can cast a little inSight on this Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
