Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 3/9/11 12:07 PM, Paxton wrote: I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. I also found one at the Next Step thrift Store in Eugene Oregon. Goodwill just established a computer store in Eugene also but I didn't see any thereor I would have probably bought it. I keep meaning to make the trip to Free Geeks (I live next to Hillsboro, so it's not the shortest trip for me), but I never seem to make it. The Goodwills around me rarely have any computer equipment, much less anything that is 'good' or useful to me. *shudder* I also pay attention to the goodwill liquidation stores in Salem and Portland Oregon. Ug, the vulture stores? Seriously, the ones I've been in (Hillsboro primarily) are where the Goodwill locations send the stuff they can't sell otherwise. Those places are scary. :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 9/3/11 23:06, Paxton innfo...@gmail.com wrote: I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. Whoa! That's a long way for me to go for a 9800 from the UK... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 3/9/11 3:06 PM, Paxton wrote: I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. That's because you live in Geek Paradise, Northwest. Those of us not so blessed envy you. May your feet mold and your hair drip with moss and small rodents. ;-P Love the image...and it is true, at least here in Astoria. I was pulling moss out of my hair this morning after hauling firewood. And it reminds me I need to put a webcam in the Mountain Beaver burrow. Here the problem is finding dry long term storage for classic computers and parts, it is really difficult. Oregonians, we don't tan, we rust! :-) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
Il giorno 7-03-2011 22:43, pdimage ha scritto: I'm in the UK and I can usually pick one up for around £10 - £20 on ebay - which is around 15 - 30 dollars I guess - plus postage. Postage to the US via airmail is around 8 dollars. Here's a very nice recent example of a 9800 pro on the XT board with the R360 GPU. Yeah, really nice card for a cheap price... :-) but it's from a PC. :-/ Do you mean it's possible using such card into a Mac? (using the right drivers, or with a little hardware tinkering maybe?) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 9/3/11 04:14, Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it wrote: Il giorno 7-03-2011 22:43, pdimage ha scritto: I'm in the UK and I can usually pick one up for around £10 - £20 on ebay - which is around 15 - 30 dollars I guess - plus postage. Postage to the US via airmail is around 8 dollars. Here's a very nice recent example of a 9800 pro on the XT board with the R360 GPU. Yeah, really nice card for a cheap price... :-) but it's from a PC. :-/ Do you mean it's possible using such card into a Mac? (using the right drivers, or with a little hardware tinkering maybe?) Yes - it's a fairly easy convert to mac for anyone into flashing bios - no drivers required and no hardware tinkering if you use the reduced rom though you may lose functionality if booting OS9. If you want to turn it into a full blown mac card with the full mac bios some hardware tinkering may or may not be necessary depending on the size of the bios chip already soldered on the card. Plus the stock PC cards like the 9800 usually have faster speeds than the stock mac equivalent so you can clock them up. Here's a guide to the card which are convertible... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9800-working Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
Define cheap and where to get one. I look on the usual place, fleabay, and I see 9800 pros going for around 100 US... Mac versions are double that. Not quite what I would consider cheap. :-) I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. I also found one at the Next Step thrift Store in Eugene Oregon. Goodwill just established a computer store in Eugene also but I didn't see any thereor I would have probably bought it. I have not flashed one yet but at least I have backups in case I fail on the first one. I have a G5 that I want to get running. I also pay attention to the goodwill liquidation stores in Salem and Portland Oregon. -- Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Paxton wrote: I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. That's because you live in Geek Paradise, Northwest. Those of us not so blessed envy you. May your feet mold and your hair drip with moss and small rodents. ;-P -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: That's because you live in Geek Paradise, Northwest. Those of us not so blessed envy you. May your feet mold and your hair drip with moss and small rodents. ;-P -- Thats a wonderful mental picture!! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
Il giorno 9-03-2011 14:35, pdimage ha scritto: Plus the stock PC cards like the 9800 usually have faster speeds than the stock mac equivalent so you can clock them up. Here's a guide to the card which are convertible... http://themacelite.wikidot.com/9800-working Wow, looks promising! :-))) Thank you! :-D -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
I have been buying 9800 Pros (PC versions) from $15 to $20 at the Free Geeks thrift store in Portland Oregon. That's because you live in Geek Paradise, Northwest. Those of us not so blessed envy you. May your feet mold and your hair drip with moss and small rodents. ;-P Love the image...and it is true, at least here in Astoria. I was pulling moss out of my hair this morning after hauling firewood. And it reminds me I need to put a webcam in the Mountain Beaver burrow. Here the problem is finding dry long term storage for classic computers and parts, it is really difficult. -- Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 6/3/11 09:07, Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org wrote: b) Identify the correct Mac ROM - if there is such a thing - for the card. Extra points for revealing how you know and where to get it. This one, that's a bit trickier, if not impossible. The mac rom is from the FX5200 cards which were supplied or came as an extra with some macs - I think the early iMac G5 had 5200 graphics as well as an FX5200 Ultra with some tower systems. Roms vary from model to model and manufacturer to manufacturer - bootstraps, device id etc as well as memory addressing as some are 64 bit and others 128 bit. The mac elite wiki downloads section has a mac FX5200 rom as well as five modified roms to flash pc versions of the 5200 card. It's not an easy card to tackle given the variables and 100% working performance may be difficult to achieve. Certain parts of the mac rom like device id may need replacing with code from the original pc rom. I have a cheap agp FX5200 with 256MB of memory which I flashed for fun a couple of years ago - works in a mac but only on safe boot or it rustles up a KP - and there's no signal from the dvi port so it's twin vga only - always meant to edit the rom but it's fairly slow with TSOP ram and practically obsolete so it ended up in the spares stash - for agp a Radeon 9800 Pro or XT with 256MB is so much easier to flash and so superior in terms of performance - and cheap too Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 7/3/11 20:30, Justin The Cynical cyni...@penguinness.org wrote: Define cheap and where to get one. I look on the usual place, fleabay, and I see 9800 pros going for around 100 US... Mac versions are double that. Not quite what I would consider cheap. :-) I'm in the UK and I can usually pick one up for around £10 - £20 on ebay - which is around 15 - 30 dollars I guess - plus postage. Postage to the US via airmail is around 8 dollars. Here's a very nice recent example of a 9800 pro on the XT board with the R360 GPU. I'm sorry I missed that as I've just bought a MDD dual 1.25 today which has a 9000 in itthat's my definition of cheap and where - complete with a thirty day warranty too. http://tinyurl.com/67jvj2w Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
On 3/5/11 8:43 PM, Sean Carroll wrote: Like puzzles? Good (good) mysteries? Look at these: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1042.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1043.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1051.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1063.JPG Then: Your google-fu is weak grasshopper... :-) a) Identify the card precisely. Extra points for providing a link that shows a matching image and specs. ZOGIS ZO52-CAGP GeForce FX 5200 128MB 64-bit DDR AGP 4X/8X Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814136007 Look at the comments. Someone ordered this card and received a 'passive' version (AKA no fan, just a big heatsink like the one you have). b) Identify the correct Mac ROM - if there is such a thing - for the card. Extra points for revealing how you know and where to get it. This one, that's a bit trickier, if not impossible. I did find this link, which /might/ work for this card: http://www.cubeowner.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8807 But anything else, it's going to be a lot of searching and following links on your part. There just isn't much info out there any more. As much as I wish there was, as I have an older NVidia 6200 AGP card I'd love to replace the FX5000 series I have in my DA now (modified G5 card). Good luck and let the list know what you find as this subject is still of interest to many. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
Like puzzles? Good (good) mysteries? Look at these: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1042.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1043.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1051.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1063.JPG Then: a) Identify the card precisely. Extra points for providing a link that shows a matching image and specs. b) Identify the correct Mac ROM - if there is such a thing - for the card. Extra points for revealing how you know and where to get it. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
Sean, All my searches come up with it being a Biostar NVidia GeForce 5200, My question is why is the fan missing? Google Search based on UPC Code: http://www.google.com/search?q=upc+802700700095ie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a Best results that has specs: http://wize.com/graphics-cards/p308572-biostar-geforce-5200 (look on the left of the page and scroll down to see the specs click on More to get them all. Sorry I'm not good at flashing ROMs so can't really help you there. Hopefully the above helps you out though. Albert From: Sean Carroll slcarr...@me.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 11:43 PM Subject: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching Like puzzles? Good (good) mysteries? Look at these: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1042.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1043.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1051.JPG http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22707686/DSCN1063.JPG Then: a) Identify the card precisely. Extra points for providing a link that shows a matching image and specs. b) Identify the correct Mac ROM - if there is such a thing - for the card. Extra points for revealing how you know and where to get it. Sean --You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: The strange world of graphics card ID and ROM matching
I did find this, with a UPC that matches the one on the ZO-52 label: http://zogis.com/index.php?cont=productsid=127 No image where there should be one, though, just the ? Scant info as well. Horrid-looking website. Yikes. Sean -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
