Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On 7/7/09 1:56 PM, Bruce Johnson at john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: This was a valuable part of Sun to Oracle, (they bought Sun because Oracle is completely dependent on Java now, and has been since the 8i-9 transition, this way they control that bit.) It is strangely funny to remember that back in 1996 we heard that Sun would buy Apple... -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On 7/7/09 3:57 PM, James E. Therrault at jetas...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Bottom line was the lack of fast low power chips for laptops that ultimately resulted in the switch. Had a low power G5 chip been produced, there would be no Apple Intel today. The other thing that burned the marketing image of IBM-Mororola-Apple was the GHz Chip race. When all the PC market was proudly announcing 1GHz computers, Apple for a relatively long time had to conform to the duo-processed 600MHz Macs. -- MaGioZal. http://flickr.com/photos/magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On 7/7/09 1:58 PM, Bruce Johnson at john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: IBM never managed a low power G5, and Moro couldn't get more performance outof the PPC series. Apple (along with all the other PC manufacturers) live and die by their laptop lines, and the inability of either Moto or IBM to deliver low power, high performance chips suited for laptops was strangling Apple there. Well, my next computer will be an Apple notebook -- I'm just waiting for the pre-installed-Snow-Leopard series to be introduced. -- MaGioZal. http://fotolog.com/_magiozal/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
MaGioZal wrote: On 7/7/09 3:57 PM, James E. Therrault at jetas...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Bottom line was the lack of fast low power chips for laptops that ultimately resulted in the switch. Had a low power G5 chip been produced, there would be no Apple Intel today. The other thing that burned the marketing image of IBM-Mororola-Apple was the GHz Chip race. When all the PC market was proudly announcing 1GHz computers, Apple for a relatively long time had to conform to the duo-processed 600MHz Macs. I remember when IBM was running an (I believe) experimental PPC chip at 1GHz in 1995. Problem was that very often, IBM could not get things out of the research lab purely due to bureaucracy and infrastructure. JT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On 7/6/09 2:52 AM, PeterH at peterh5...@rattlebrain.com wrote: On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:27 PM, MaGioZal wrote: The RISC had a lot of promises, but many times hadn't delivered them. It's not the processor, it's the implementation. IBM is making huge quantities of PPC RISCs. Sun is still making its RISCs. Intel's CISCs are doing well. Well, maybe I should write Apple made a lot of promises about the RISC, but didn't delivered many of them. ;-) I remember back in the 90's that in the Spindler era the CISC was accused of being an obsolte chip archicteture which cannot expand well, differently from RISC... -- MaGioZal. http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: [G3-5]Re: Return to PowerPC?
On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:36 PM, MaGioZal wrote: Well, maybe I should write Apple made a lot of promises about the RISC, but didn't delivered many of them. ;-) At the risk of restarting the flamewars...it wasn't Apple that didn't deliver. Apple's promises were real, and the RISC design could deliver them, but when your chip suppliers see you as a minor side business taking third or fourth priority to your 'real' business, well, your chip suppliers tend to treat you like shit. After all, their thinking went, where are you going to go? It's not (HA!) like you'll make ANOTHER major change in your strategy, Apple's committed to the PPC platform, right? It'd be far too disruptive to their entire product line to switchlook how long it took them to switch from 68K to PPC and those were similar architectures! I remember back in the 90's that in the Spindler era the CISC was accused of being an obsolte chip archicteture which cannot expand well, differently from RISC... Well, true, as it stood then, (in particular, the aging 8086-80486 design) it couldn't. What happened is that Intel adapted a number of RISC-like features into their CISC designs, which made them competitive. Then they made significant breakthroughs in getting smaller and smaller (hence lower and lower power) device sizes. Intel's modern chips are really hybrids of the two design strategies. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
