Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 13/7/10 12:29, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: OK. simple you say? I'm sure going to try to. I guess the trick here is getting the right cable. So to start how can I check positively the capability of my two DVI ports on my Radeon 9600 card? Then from there I should have part of the required info to choose a cable? I think I will want to also have the sound ported to the stereo or can it go to the TV and then the stereo? I have actually done this with a G5 iMac to two 42 inch plasma screens - one 480p and one 720p. The video was taken from the mini vga port into a 10 port vga 1600x1200 splitter and direct to the plasmas with vga cable. The audio was taken from the minijack headphone port of the iMac to a mixer then a 100w power amp and speakers. Alternatives to the mac output were provided by a DVD player and an AppleTV. Picture was very good on the plasmas but very poor on the mac desktop as the mirroring res was set by the second monitor at 480p which is dire on a monitor. 480p denotes the vertical res of the display and corresponds to a poor 640x480 res on a monitor - 720p corresponds to a better 1280x720 res and the best highdef is currently 1080p (or i - p is allegedly better) which corresponds to 1920x1080 which is good for a tv but not so good for a monitor - as I have a 21 multiscan now ten years old which can do better - notwithstanding the 22% screen loss of 16:9 compared to the old 4:3. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1652880/time-ditch-awful-hd-108 0p-widescreens Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 14/7/10 08:45, pdimage pdim...@btinternet.com wrote: On 13/7/10 12:29, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: OK. simple you say? I'm sure going to try to. I guess the trick here is getting the right cable. So to start how can I check positively the capability of my two DVI ports on my Radeon 9600 card? Then from there I should have part of the required info to choose a cable? I think I will want to also have the sound ported to the stereo or can it go to the TV and then the stereo? I have actually done this with a G5 iMac to two 42 inch plasma screens - one 480p and one 720p. The video was taken from the mini vga port into a 10 port vga 1600x1200 splitter and direct to the plasmas with vga cable. The audio was taken from the minijack headphone port of the iMac to a mixer then a 100w power amp and speakers. Alternatives to the mac output were provided by a DVD player and an AppleTV. Picture was very good on the plasmas but very poor on the mac desktop as the mirroring res was set by the second monitor at 480p which is dire on a monitor. 480p denotes the vertical res of the display and corresponds to a poor 640x480 res on a monitor - 720p corresponds to a better 1280x720 res and the best highdef is currently 1080p (or i - p is allegedly better) which corresponds to 1920x1080 which is good for a tv but not so good for a monitor - as I have a 21 multiscan now ten years old which can do better - notwithstanding the 22% screen loss of 16:9 compared to the old 4:3. http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1652880/time-ditch-awful-hd-108 0p-widescreens Pete Sorry that should have read 11% screen loss - getting old... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 12/7/10 22:07, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP There are a myriad of converters out there to enable this - most newish large screen tvs have vga or dvi input and will take a straight connection as a second monitor. The audio can go straight from the G5 minijack headphone port to a hifi or music system if you have one via a minijack to stereo left and right rca (red and white) plugs. If you want the audio into the tv also - you can use a scart adapter (one comes with every Xbox) on an external port of the tv with composite video and audio rca sockets - then you just need a vga to composite (single yellow) rca cable from the mac and you can run video and sound through the tv. Resolution shouldn't be a problem as HDTV is still pretty low res compared to monitors. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On 7/13/10 12:11 AM, pdimage wrote: On 12/7/10 22:07, John Carmonnecarmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. There are a myriad of converters out there to enable this - most newish large screen tvs have vga or dvi input and will take a straight connection as a second monitor. The audio can go straight from the G5 minijack headphone port to a hifi or music system if you have one via a minijack to stereo left and right rca (red and white) plugs. If you want the audio into the tv also - you can use a scart adapter (one comes with every Xbox) on an external port of the tv with composite video and audio rca sockets - then you just need a vga to composite (single yellow) rca cable from the mac and you can run video and sound through the tv. Resolution shouldn't be a problem as HDTV is still pretty low res compared to monitors. HDTV isn't low res by any stretch. If you go through composite or S-Video it's going to be crappy regardless of screen resolution. It will be okay for DVD but VGA or DVI is going to be nicer. Also you can use a simple cable to go from DVI to HDMI on the TV. Pretty much any HDTV will have VGA, DVI or HDMI. For watching video it's a good idea to limit the video resolution to something a little more than the required resolution. This way the TV is handling the load of scaling the image up rather than having the Mac do the work. If you want to use the TV as a large screen for other stuff then set the video out to match the screen resolution. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Clark Martin wrote: you can use a simple cable to go from DVI to HDMI on the TV. Not all DVI-to-HDMI adapter cables are identical in the way they handle the conversion. Some adapter cables are made to handle the audio that's lacking, while others aren't. Some DVI output ports don't have audio at all, while others do. In theory a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable should be a straightforward solution. In practice this can be a very frustrating experience if you have the wrong combination of DVI output port and DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable. If you get lucky and have the right combination it will be simple (plug play), but I think it's likely to be more complicated in most circumstances, and nearly impossible in some circumstances. I lean toward the keep it simple method which in this case would be to use the VGA input port on the HDTV, and either a VGA output port on the Mac, combined with a standard VGA cable. If the Mac doesn't have a VGA output port, use a DVI-to-VGA adapter to provide a VGA output port. Then handle the audio with a standard 3.5mm mini jack audio patch cable from the Mac speaker output to the HDTV audio input jack or Mic jack. This is about as foolproof as possible, but there still is the issue of matching the video card output resolution/refresh to the acceptable inputs of the HDTV. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:48 AM, Clark Martin wrote: you can use a simple cable to go from DVI to HDMI on the TV. Not all DVI-to-HDMI adapter cables are identical in the way they handle the conversion. Some adapter cables are made to handle the audio that's lacking, while others aren't. Some DVI output ports don't have audio at all, while others do. In theory a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable should be a straightforward solution. In practice this can be a very frustrating experience if you have the wrong combination of DVI output port and DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable. If you get lucky and have the right combination it will be simple (plug play), but I think it's likely to be more complicated in most circumstances, and nearly impossible in some circumstances. I lean toward the keep it simple method which in this case would be to use the VGA input port on the HDTV, and either a VGA output port on the Mac, combined with a standard VGA cable. If the Mac doesn't have a VGA output port, use a DVI-to-VGA adapter to provide a VGA output port. Then handle the audio with a standard 3.5mm mini jack audio patch cable from the Mac speaker output to the HDTV audio input jack or Mic jack. This is about as foolproof as possible, but there still is the issue of matching the video card output resolution/refresh to the acceptable inputs of the HDTV. OK. simple you say? I'm sure going to try to. I guess the trick here is getting the right cable. So to start how can I check positively the capability of my two DVI ports on my Radeon 9600 card? Then from there I should have part of the required info to choose a cable? I think I will want to also have the sound ported to the stereo or can it go to the TV and then the stereo? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 13, 2010, at 12:53 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: A third option is to use something like SwitchResX to create a custom setting to match your HDTV input, but I don't believe this is a good option. Why? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
A third option is to use something like SwitchResX to create a custom setting to match your HDTV input, but I don't believe this is a good option. Why? SwitchResX is rather pricey (€14=$17.80 today). I'd rather put the money into a more compatible hardware. SwitchResX can be difficult to setup because specific information about the exact technical details of the custom timing you require often isn't readily available. Some custom timings can cause problems which are very difficult to recover from. There's also the freeware alternative of DisplayConfigX. It's also difficult unless you know the exact settings you require. By exact settings, I mean for either SwitchResX or DisplayConfigX you may need to know details about the pixel clock, TDMS rate, the front back porch, or other technical specifications which can be difficult to obtain. Small errors can make big problems. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Big screen TV for PM G5
Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
Get a TV that has a DVI or HDMI connection on it, then get the appropriate cable to connect to it. My G5 tower is connected to a 52 Toshiba HDTV via a DVI-HDMI cable in my living room and it works like a champ. PS: HDMI and DVI are standard connections on most modern TV sets (Well the decent ones anyway). Skip S-Video, the quality is horrible. On Jul 12, 2010, at 4:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. Most large screen TV's offer VGA inputs, although they can have odd limitations...mine is limited to 1024x768. Also you can connect a DVI output from the G5 to an HDMI or DVI input on the TV; I've done this with my AL powerbook at home. I get the full 1920x1080 resolution, albeit interlaced, not parallel. What you get is dependent on your video card. I got this http://tinyurl.com/2oe9h3 from Monoprice and just connect it to the TV with a regular HDMI cable. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:07 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All I want to get a large screen TV that I can connect my PM G5 Dual 2.7 to and be able to watch DVD images. What do I need to be able to do this? ,I don't want to watch iTunes stuff just full on DVD images like I do now by mounting them with Toast and playing on my VIZIO display. Any solutions would be appreciated. Most large screen TV's offer VGA inputs, although they can have odd limitations...mine is limited to 1024x768. Also you can connect a DVI output from the G5 to an HDMI or DVI input on the TV; I've done this with my AL powerbook at home. I get the full 1920x1080 resolution, albeit interlaced, not parallel. What you get is dependent on your video card. I got this http://tinyurl.com/2oe9h3 from Monoprice and just connect it to the TV with a regular HDMI cable. -- So far so good now what about sound and without having to sell the first Grandson what video card would do a good job? I have a ATI Radeon 9600 128 MB. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 12, 2010, at 2:29 PM, John Carmonne wrote: So far so good now what about sound and without having to sell the first Grandson what video card would do a good job? I have a ATI Radeon 9600 128 MB. The sound output of the G5 connects to the tv sound input; you also have optical IO on the G5, too, iirc. The video in my AL book is a ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 with 64megs. the key is that the video card has to be able to output the requisite resolution the Radeon supports up to 1920x1200, which is better than the 1920x1080 needed. Seriously, just about any modern digital wide screen TV will work for your needs. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Big screen TV for PM G5
On Jul 12, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Eric Herbert wrote: PS: HDMI and DVI are standard connections on most modern TV sets (Well the decent ones anyway). Skip S-Video, the quality is horrible. The new standard for modern TVs will be HDbaseT which uses standard ethernet cables that are a lot cheaper than pricey HDMI or DVI cables. Most HDTVs have a VGA port for use with computers. Some of the HDMI and DVI ports on HDTVs are incompatible with computer usage, and this will normally be noted only in the small print in the user manual under information about these ports. DVI-to-HDMI converter cables don't always work. DVI wasn't made to carry audio, whereas HDMI was designed for both audio video. Some video cards port audio output through DVI ports, and some cables patch audio output into DVI-to-HDMI adapter cables, but not always. I don't think most G5 DVI ports carry any audio signals, so using a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable might be problematic for audio. As we've discussed before, HDTV has really poor resolution compared to computer monitors. DVDs also have relatively poor resolution (720x480), which means that a DVD can't even fill an iPhone 4g screen at max resolution, which is 960x640 for the iPhone. Because of the lack of any HDMI output ports for the G5, and the audio problems that might be encountered with DVI-to-HDMI convertor cables, I'd probably lean toward using a VGA cable combined with an audio mini- jack patch cable using the standard VGA computer port of most HDTVs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
