Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/13 20:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

do you have Perian installed?

About Perian aims to provide a single package for all your playback needs.  It
is a collection of QuickTime components incorporating several libraries: •
libavcodec, from the ffmpeg project, along with code from the old FFusion
component:


Yes I do, but I don't see any reason why it would work with Chromium and not
OmniWeb. Or Safari. Or iCab.

All four are WebKit. And yes, I have tested them to be sure.


Hopefully this will settle it once and for all. Type about:plugins in Chromium's 
address bar, hit enter, and you get this, among others:


Flash - Version: 11.0.1.152
Shockwave Flash 11.0 r1
Name:   Shockwave Flash
Description:Shockwave Flash 11.0 r1
Version:11.0.1.152
Location: 
/Applications/3rdPartyApps/Internet/Browsers/Chromium.app/Contents/Versions/14.0.835.202/Chromium 
Framework.framework/Internet Plug-Ins/Flash Player Plugin for Chrome.plugin


And no, I did not do a custom install into Chromium, I'm running it as downloaded 
from MacUpdate.com


I hope to gawd that the list members can accept this and move on, rather than 
insisting that I don't know what the fsck I'm talking about.




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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/13 20:24, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

do you have Perian installed?

About Perian aims to provide a single package for all your playback needs.  It
is a collection of QuickTime components incorporating several libraries: •
libavcodec, from the ffmpeg project, along with code from the old FFusion
component:


Yes I do, but I don't see any reason why it would work with Chromium and not
OmniWeb. Or Safari. Or iCab.

All four are WebKit. And yes, I have tested them to be sure.


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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 13, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Tina K. wrote:

> On 2011/11/13 20:07, Dan so eloquently wrote:
>> This link should suffice as a demo:
>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Handwriting%20Clock.swf
> 
> Yes Chromium plays the file, no I do not have Flash Player installed - not in 
> /Library/Internet Plug-Ins, not in ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins, or even in 
> /System/Library. Activity Monitor shows the process Shockwave Flash (Chromium 
> Plug-In Host). I quit Chromium, deleted DirectorShockwave.plugin, and opened 
> Chromium again. It still played the handwriting clock file. Don't know what 
> else to say.
> 
> FWIW, IMHO YMMV, yada yada yada, blah blah blah.

do you have Perian installed?

About
Perian aims to provide a single package for all your playback needs.  It is a 
collection of QuickTime components incorporating several libraries:
 • libavcodec, from the ffmpeg project, along with code from the old FFusion 
component:
• MS-MPEG4 v1 & v2
• DivX
• 3ivx
• H.264
• Flash Video
• Flash Screen Video
• On2 VP3, VP6, VP8
• H263I
• HuffYUV and ffvhuff
• Indeo 2, 3 & 5
• MPEG-1, 2 & 4 Video (in supported formats)
• Fraps (up to v4)
• Windows Media Audio v1 & v2
• Flash ADPCM
• Xiph Vorbis (in Matroska)
• MPEG Layer I and II audio
• DTS Coherent Acoustics audio
• Snow wavelet video
• DosBox video
• Nellymoser ASAO audio
 • libavformat, from the ffmpeg project. along with AVIImporter.component:
• AVI file format
• FLV file format
• NUV file format
 • libmatroska, along with matroska-qt.component:
• MKV file format
 • Subtitles:
• (Advanced) SubStation Alpha
• SRT
• SAMI
• VobSub
 • liba52, via A52Codec:
• AC3 audio


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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/13 20:07, Dan so eloquently wrote:

This link should suffice as a demo:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Handwriting%20Clock.swf


Yes Chromium plays the file, no I do not have Flash Player installed - not in 
/Library/Internet Plug-Ins, not in ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins, or even in 
/System/Library. Activity Monitor shows the process Shockwave Flash (Chromium 
Plug-In Host). I quit Chromium, deleted DirectorShockwave.plugin, and opened 
Chromium again. It still played the handwriting clock file. Don't know what else 
to say.


FWIW, IMHO YMMV, yada yada yada, blah blah blah.



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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Dan]

At 7:12 PM -0700 11/13/2011, Tina K. wrote:
All I'm saying is that the YouTube page I first loaded in OmniWeb 
said that I needed to install Flash 10 or higher, when I loaded the 
page in Chromium it just played. FWIW


Chromium is a (nightly/hourly) build of the basic open source 
project, based on WebKit.  To that, to create Chrome, Google adds 
proprietary stuff, including an embedded (sometimes out of date) 
version of the Flash Player plug-in.  IOW, Chromium should not be 
able to play Flash content until you've otherwise installed the Flash 
plug-in, in /Library/Internet Plug-ins/ or ~.


Testing it with sites such as YouTube is not useful, as those sites 
sniff the browser's capabilities then give preference to coughing 
h.264 or WebM over the other formats.


Try handing Chromium a flash file and see what happens.  If it plays, 
then it's getting Flash from somewhere.  Inspecting the Chromium 
process(es), via Activity Monitor or an lsof command, while it's 
playing should show you the details.


This link should suffice as a demo:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/Handwriting%20Clock.swf

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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/13 18:19, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Tina K. wrote:


Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed
and my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does.


I suspect you're misinterpreting streamed video? YouTube and many other video
sites are in the process of conversion away from Flash and to HTML5. During this
conversion, most video is available in both formats, and the specific format
streamed to your computer is determined by the site dependent upon your browser.
It's likely you're getting an HTML5 stream and thinking it's a Flash stream.


All I'm saying is that the YouTube page I first loaded in OmniWeb said that I 
needed to install Flash 10 or higher, when I loaded the page in Chromium it just 
played. FWIW



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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Kris Tilford]

On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Tina K. wrote:

Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it  
installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but  
Chromium does.


I suspect you're misinterpreting streamed video? YouTube and many  
other video sites are in the process of conversion away from Flash and  
to HTML5. During this conversion, most video is available in both  
formats, and the specific format streamed to your computer is  
determined by the site dependent upon your browser. It's likely you're  
getting an HTML5 stream and thinking it's a Flash stream.


The acid test is to download a Flash video with the .flv file type,  
and then try to open that file with a specific browser.


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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/13 17:03, David W. Morris so eloquently wrote:

Flash is hopefully on it's way out and will be replaced with html5.  It is 
already
happening on YouTube and other sites.


I was thrilled when I heard Adobe was going to drop mobile Flash, hopefully 
desktop Flash will follow.


It's *usually* not an issue for me since I got my Mac Pro, but I still feel the 
pain from watching Flash on G4s.



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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[David W. Morris]

Flash is hopefully on it's way out and will be replaced with html5.   
It is already happening on YouTube and other sites.



On Nov 13, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Tina K. wrote:


Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it  
installed and my other browsers won't play Flash content but  
Chromium does.



Tina


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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/09 15:43, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

AFAIK "Chromium" should have always required a Flash Player plugin. The 
integrated
Flash Player plugin is included in Google "Chrome" browser, but the open source
progenitor "Chromium" never had Flash capability, and IF you were able to view
Flash video using Chromium you MUST have had a Flash Player Plugin installed - 
the
installation is normally globally available for all browsers.


Apparently Chromium does have Flash Player included, I don't have it installed and 
my other browsers won't play Flash content but Chromium does.



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Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that 
I wouldn't have to
install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped 
loading the >> youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no 
parts of the page load that I can >> see.

So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash 
content. SeaMonkey,
OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not.

Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing?


I should add that Safari works as well.


I tested against a new, untouched account and had the same issue, as did my backup 
disk. Reinstalling SL fixed the issue, which is strange because it seems to have 
left everything intact - BOINC, LittleSnitch, etc... But it is good to know that a 
reinstall of SL is painless, unlike earlier versions of OS X.




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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 10, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Tina K. wrote:

>> 
>> A larger point is: you have browsers that work, why are you worrying over 
>> the ones that won't?
> 
> Simply because I liked not having Flash in all of my browsers, that was the 
> only reason I started using Chrome in the first place. Any page with Flash 
> that I want to see I drag the url to ShoveBox for later viewing and I avoid 
> Flash issues with my primary browser. I am familiar with ClickToFlash but it 
> just seemed better to keep Flash in just the one browser.

Ugg! That's the thing that drew me to ClickToFlash in the first place...it's 
the Web, not the Safari Web and the Firefox Web and the Chrome Web and the 
%%@$#^ Internet %%!@$#$% Explorer Web...as much as it tries to be all those 
things sometimes...

I'd much rather use one program for that task.  

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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/10 09:02, Bruce Johnson so eloquently wrote:

On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Tina K. wrote:


>
>  Sorry, I misspoke. I was using Chrome, and when it stopped loading YouTube at about 
v14 I switched to >> >Chromium with no relief. I only have one instance of Flash 
Player installed, and it is the latest
>non-beta version 11.0.1.52.
>
>  What I can't figure out is why Safari, SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube.com 
and Opera, >> >Camino, and the newly re-installed Google Chrome will not. Google Chrome 
hangs with "Waiting for
>ad-g.doubleclick.net... in the status bar and then the "Page(s) Unresponsive" 
window pops up.




It COULD be that Youtube is changing things on the back end, based on your 
browser's ID string. Turn on Safari's Developer menu and change your User Agent 
string and see what happens.


I tried Chrome, Firefox, Opera, and Camino User Agent strings in Safari and they 
all loaded youtube.com fine.



A larger point is: you have browsers that work, why are you worrying over the 
ones that won't?


Simply because I liked not having Flash in all of my browsers, that was the only 
reason I started using Chrome in the first place. Any page with Flash that I want 
to see I drag the url to ShoveBox for later viewing and I avoid Flash issues with 
my primary browser. I am familiar with ClickToFlash but it just seemed better to 
keep Flash in just the one browser.



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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Tina K. wrote:

> 
> Sorry, I misspoke. I was using Chrome, and when it stopped loading YouTube at 
> about v14 I switched to Chromium with no relief. I only have one instance of 
> Flash Player installed, and it is the latest non-beta version 11.0.1.52.
> 
> What I can't figure out is why Safari, SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load 
> youtube.com and Opera, Camino, and the newly re-installed Google Chrome will 
> not. Google Chrome hangs with "Waiting for ad-g.doubleclick.net... in the 
> status bar and then the "Page(s) Unresponsive" window pops up.

It COULD be that Youtube is changing things on the back end, based on your 
browser's ID string. Turn on Safari's Developer menu and change your User Agent 
string and see what happens.

A larger point is: you have browsers that work, why are you worrying over the 
ones that won't?

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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

On 2011/11/09 15:43, Kris Tilford so eloquently wrote:

On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Tina K. wrote:


This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that
I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the
time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo
comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see.


AFAIK "Chromium" should have always required a Flash Player plugin. The 
integrated
Flash Player plugin is included in Google "Chrome" browser, but the open source
progenitor "Chromium" never had Flash capability, and IF you were able to view
Flash video using Chromium you MUST have had a Flash Player Plugin installed - 
the
installation is normally globally available for all browsers.


So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash
content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium,
and Opera will not.
Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing?


There are so many different places that Flash Player plugins can be installed, 
and
it's possible you have several different versions installed that might conflict?
Adobe says "Flash Player Uninstaller" is a helpful way to troubleshoot, so I'd
recommend using the uninstaller and then reinstall the latest version. Here's a 
link:



Sorry, I misspoke. I was using Chrome, and when it stopped loading YouTube at 
about v14 I switched to Chromium with no relief. I only have one instance of Flash 
Player installed, and it is the latest non-beta version 11.0.1.52.


What I can't figure out is why Safari, SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load 
youtube.com and Opera, Camino, and the newly re-installed Google Chrome will not. 
Google Chrome hangs with "Waiting for ad-g.doubleclick.net... in the status bar 
and then the "Page(s) Unresponsive" window pops up.



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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Kris Tilford]

On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Tina K. wrote:

This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash  
sites so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in,  
but recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading  
the youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's  
it - no parts of the page load that I can see.


AFAIK "Chromium" should have always required a Flash Player plugin.  
The integrated Flash Player plugin is included in Google "Chrome"  
browser, but the open source progenitor "Chromium" never had Flash  
capability, and IF you were able to view Flash video using Chromium  
you MUST have had a Flash Player Plugin installed - the installation  
is normally globally available for all browsers.


So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to  
view Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube  
but Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not.

Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing?


There are so many different places that Flash Player plugins can be  
installed, and it's possible you have several different versions  
installed that might conflict? Adobe says "Flash Player Uninstaller"  
is a helpful way to troubleshoot, so I'd recommend using the  
uninstaller and then reinstall the latest version. Here's a link:



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Re: Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Bruce Johnson]

On Nov 9, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Tina K. wrote:

> So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view 
> Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, 
> Chromium, and Opera will not.
> 
> Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing?

Safari is missing from that list, which will preferentially load HTML5 content 
if it exists...

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Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites so that 
I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but recently, about the 
time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the youtube page. The youtube logo 
comes up on the tab, but that's it - no parts of the page load that I can see.

So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view Flash 
content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but Camino, Chromium, 
and Opera will not.

Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing?


I should add that Safari works as well.


Tina

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Can't load youtube with certain browsers, others ok

[Tina K.]

This is on my Mac Pro, below. I had been using Chromium for Flash sites 
so that I wouldn't have to install the Flash Player plug-in, but 
recently, about the time v14 came out, it has stopped loading the 
youtube page. The youtube logo comes up on the tab, but that's it - no 
parts of the page load that I can see.


So I installed the Flash Player plug-in to go back to how I used to view 
Flash content. SeaMonkey, OmniWeb, and iCab will load youtube but 
Camino, Chromium, and Opera will not.


Does anyone see a common thread here that I am missing?


Tina

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