Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Under Help, I searched for Classic and got this reference among others: --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- inline: xicnos9.gif I don't see the Classic pane in System Preferences The Classic preference pane is available in System Preferences only if a Mac OS 9 System Folder is installed on your computer, or if you have already run a Classic application on your computer. After you install a Mac OS 9 System Folder, the Classic preference pane should be available the next time you open System Preferences. If it's still not available, try opening a Classic application, and then logging out and logging in again. To install a Mac OS 9 System Folder, click the link below. See also Installing a Mac OS 9 System Folder to use with the Classic environment Classic Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
On Feb 27, 11:42 pm, insightinmind billycarm...@verizon.net wrote: I think you have to install the OS 9 (on a separate partition would be my preference), and make sure it is Blessed. Don't remember the details, but it all occurs under the Installation OS 9 CD control as I would do it. Installing OS X does not carry OS 9 with it. On my iBook G4/1.33 GB DVD set, OS 9 is on the second disk. OS 9 and its applications should work fine on the same partition as OS X. It did when I had them both on the same partition in a G4 Quicksilver tower. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Bill Connelly writes, After you install a Mac OS 9 System Folder, the Classic preference pane should be available the next time you open System Preferences. If it's still not available, try opening a Classic application, and then logging out and logging in again. To install a Mac OS 9 System Folder, click the link below. See also Installing a Mac OS 9 System Folder to use with the Classic environment Classic OK -- as it happened, I went on with my moving data into the machine and recustomizing activities (why not -- an Archive Reinstall will preserve it if I have to do one, I figure) and yes, out of curiosity, when I put one of my Classic apps' icons in the Dock and double clicked it, Classic started up (but the app itself blew out, it wouldn't open, I'll need to investigate that later). And at THAT point, when I went to System Prefs, I DID finally see a Classic pane. I went in, checked it out, saw that it was set properly to call on the OS 9 System folder I'd moved in, but, it was still missing the option to put the little 9 icon in the menu bar. I could have sworn I got the little 9 in the menu bar on both my G4 originally, and then on the iBook when I first got it and set it up, by doing something in System Prefs Classic pane...maybe I'm senile and don't really remember, but OK. Somehow your links didn't make it to your reply, Bill, but that's OK, I'll go to Mac Help myself and look up those topics. Also... I think you have to install the OS 9 (on a separate partition would be my preference), and make sure it is Blessed. Don't remember the details, but it all occurs under the Installation OS 9 CD control as I would do it. No, you don't HAVE TO put OS 9 on its own partition -- it's BETTER to keep OS 9 separate from OS X when you plan on sometimes actually BOOTING the machine in OS 9, and in fact that's how I originally set up my iBook. However, it's not actually necessary to do it that way, particularly not in Tiger I'd read on this list some time back that earlier versions of OS X would futz up if they were too close to OS 9, but not Tiger When I got the iBook in July 2007, I had THOUGHT I'd need to boot it in 9 occasionally, so I gave it a small (8 GB) OS 9 boot partition. As it happened though, I never needed to boot in 9 on the iBook at all (the only times I ever actually did boot the iBook in 9 was when I installed to test it, and then once last night immediately prior to the nuke and pave to see if it still worked, and yes it booted in 9) -- I only need to run Classic on it. It's the *G4* I have to be able to boot in 9 with sometimes (and still can't, dammit! yet another still-unresolved issue, sigh)...And, on the G4, the OS 9 for booting is on a *different HD* from the OS X, which the Mac would treat as on another partition, meaning it's OK. Because my iBook only has a 30 GB HD and I no longer have room for stuff I never use on it (such as a separate OS 9 boot partition), that's why I decided to nuke and pave it last night, to get rid of that unused partition and do some clean up and streamline as well as update certain things I'll be needing to use more in the near future. All righty then, off to go to Mac Help. Thanks for the tip, Bill! ~Yersinia. Politicians are those who deal with the problems which would not exist if they didn't exist. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
From: Yersinia yersi...@cybernex.net After post-updater reboot and confirmation that I was in 10.4.9 by popping About This Mac, I started loading in all the data gathered onto the flash drives earlier today, including the OS 9.2.2 System Folder to run Classic. Are you sure the OS 9.2.2 is blessed as Bill asked in an earlier post? Don't know if can you just copy a OS 9 System folder over into an OS X environment without a true install from the OS 9 install disk? Perhaps a clean install from your OS 9 disk would be required. At this point that is what I would do if you are sure the OS 9 System folder is blessed. But first, I'd bless the System folder. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Glen writes, Are you sure the OS 9.2.2 is blessed as Bill asked in an earlier post? Don't know if can you just copy a OS 9 System folder over into an OS X environment without a true install from the OS 9 install disk? Perhaps a clean install from your OS 9 disk would be required. At this point that is what I would do if you are sure the OS 9 System folder is blessed. But first, I'd bless the System folder. Yes, you can copy in an OS 9 System Folder from one Mac to another and expect it to run Classic under OS X, and boot the machine from its own partition. I know, because that's how I got OS 9 (both Classic-only, and boot-only) into that very same iBook in the first place. Classic ran great, and I was also able to boot the iBook in OS 9. None of my various and sundry OS 9 install CDs will install OS 9 on my iBook, which I bought used on EBay and didn't come with any system disks. That's why originally, and now, I had to move OS 9 in by copying System Folders from my G4 (I do have system disks for THAT, but the OS 9 one wouldn't install on the iBook either). Anyhoo, the issue is mostly fixed now, believe it or not -- I even got my little 9 back up in the menu bar! :-) I have one last problem with one app (all my other Classic apps open and run OK, I tested them), but I need to take that to the Claris Emailer list. Thanks though! ~Yersinia. Some mornings it's not worth chewing through the leather straps. -- Emo Phillips --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
On Feb 28, 2009, at 6:27 PM, Yersinia wrote: None of my various and sundry OS 9 install CDs will install OS 9 on my iBook, which I bought used on EBay and didn't come with any system disks. That's why originally, and now, I had to move OS 9 in by copying System Folders from my G4 (I do have system disks for THAT, but the OS 9 one wouldn't install on the iBook either). Maybe CCC 3.1.3 would help down the road, under OS X. It might even Bless the folder for you? Anyhoo, the issue is mostly fixed now, believe it or not -- I even got my little 9 back up in the menu bar! :-) I have one last problem with one app (all my other Classic apps open and run OK, I tested them), but I need to take that to the Claris Emailer list. Thanks though! ~Yersinia. That's funny ... all this made me upgrade my OS 9 partition to usable 9.2.2 along with using Quicktime 6.0.3 (my 9.1 install wouldn't startup on my Yikes!) ... but as a test, I tried my ClarisWorks 3 from the dock ... it opened another app instead ... Switch ... which has nothing to do with OS 9 ... Same thing happened when I went to the ClarisWorks folder ... any relation to Claris Emailer? I'm using NeoOffice for my spreadsheets and such now under OS X. Haven't really run any OS 9 apps for awhile. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Bill writes, Maybe CCC 3.1.3 would help down the road, under OS X. It might even Bless the folder for you? Dunno, I'll Google and if it's free and actually makes sense to me why I should have it, I'll download it. I never actually, seriously even looked into Carbon Copy Cloner, even though I've seen enough mention of people using it in here on these lists. I never really got why anybody should use a special program to copy or move files or folders, when (for me anyway) it could be done straight up with the Finder without having to mess around with yet something else. That's funny ... all this made me upgrade my OS 9 partition to usable 9.2.2 along with using Quicktime 6.0.3 (my 9.1 install wouldn't startup on my Yikes!) ... Hahaha, I find this really amusing -- a little problem I run into because I decide I don't need the OS 9 partition on my iBook inspires YOU to UPGRADE yours! *laugh* but as a test, I tried my ClarisWorks 3 from the dock ... it opened another app instead ... Switch ... which has nothing to do with OS 9 ...Same thing happened when I went to the ClarisWorks folder ... any relation to Claris Emailer? Um, h, I couldn't tell you, sorry. I've never even had ClarisWorks 3. I started with ClarisWorks 4 in OS's 7.x.x and 8.x and used it until OS 9.1 FUBARed it, at which point I started using AppleWorks. (I've been using AppleWorks 6 for about, h, 4-5 years now?) I've never even heard of Switch, and I don't mess with QuickTime either. One of the first things I did when I first got OS X was take the QuickTime icon out of the Dock, and it's THE first thing I do when I open up a new OS X after a nuke-and-pave (remove all of what are, for me, useless icons, and QuickTime is first on my list of useless!). I have no idea how any of this would relate to Claris Emailer, which, I should mention, opened up and worked just fine on my iBook (until now!) and still runs beautifully on my G4 (same 10.4.9/9.2.2 OS configuration). I'm using NeoOffice for my spreadsheets and such now under OS X. Haven't really run any OS 9 apps for awhile. I don't do spreadsheets at home, and don't have NeoOffice...but believe it or not, I've actually considered going to an OS X native email client (Thunderbird, which my boyfriend told me about, he uses it on HIS Macs). I didn't like Mail.app (I did have reason to try it briefly not long before I found Thunderbird)...It was IMO too much like Outlook (which I already knew I hated from having used it at work in a Windoze only situation), which may be good for recent escapees from MicroBorg who want an easy adjustment to Macs and OS X, but I don't want to use anything MicroBorg-like! So I downloaded and played with Thunderbird a little, and almost fell in love, except for one thing: It can't import my Claris Emailer folders! THAT was the dealbreaker. Ironically, Mail.app CAN import from Claris Emailer..except I don't like it otherwise! So, I'm still using my good old ancient Claris Emailer 2.0v3 for email. I actually LOVE my Claris Emailer, and the only reason why I was considering switching to an OS X native email program at all was because I thought it, being more modern, would work better than CE in wifi situations. Ohhh wait... IDEA! Gotta pop open the Thunderbird and look since I don't recall off the top of my head, but I think it WILL import from Mail.app, so maybe if I import my ClarisEmailer stuff into Mail.app, and then import with Thunderbird from THERE...H, Maybe! (oh no, another big nasty Project likely to take a week or more, I know, but.something to look into!) ~Yersinia-wishes she'd stop thinking up all these big nasty Projects! Experience is the worst teacher. It always gives the test first and the instruction afterward. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
Hi Listers, After about 6 months of procrastination, tonight I finally did The Deed: Nuke and pave to single partition my iBook's HD and clean it up but good. All was going beautifully, actually it IS going beautifully, except for ONE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT THING: There is no Classic pane in System Preferences! :-O I don't nuke and pave often, but I've done it enough to make sure that the little box for OS 9 drivers is checked in Disk Utility is checked -- and I know it was checked tonightand I've also never opened my System Prefs and not seen the 9 Classic in the System area -- UNTIL NOW!! Tech Info: iBook G3/800, 30 GB HD, 640 MB RAM -- installed OS X Tiger 10.4.3 from DVD, then ran 10.4.9 Combo Updater. After post-updater reboot and confirmation that I was in 10.4.9 by popping About This Mac, I started loading in all the data gathered onto the flash drives earlier today, including the OS 9.2.2 System Folder to run Classic. However, this system folder is recognized in the Startup Disk pane in System Preferencesnot that I plan to use it for that, but my iBook at least knows it's there! Um, what did I screw up? :blush Will an Archive Reinstall somehow give me my Classic Prefs back? Thanks, ~Yersinia. When you move something to a more logical place, you can only remember where it used to be and your decision to move it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!
On Feb 27, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Yersinia wrote: Hi Listers, After about 6 months of procrastination, tonight I finally did The Deed: Nuke and pave to single partition my iBook's HD and clean it up but good. All was going beautifully, actually it IS going beautifully, except for ONE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT THING: There is no Classic pane in System Preferences! :-O I don't nuke and pave often, but I've done it enough to make sure that the little box for OS 9 drivers is checked in Disk Utility is checked -- and I know it was checked tonightand I've also never opened my System Prefs and not seen the 9 Classic in the System area -- UNTIL NOW!! Tech Info: iBook G3/800, 30 GB HD, 640 MB RAM -- installed OS X Tiger 10.4.3 from DVD, then ran 10.4.9 Combo Updater. After post-updater reboot and confirmation that I was in 10.4.9 by popping About This Mac, I started loading in all the data gathered onto the flash drives earlier today, including the OS 9.2.2 System Folder to run Classic. However, this system folder is recognized in the Startup Disk pane in System Preferencesnot that I plan to use it for that, but my iBook at least knows it's there! Um, what did I screw up? :blush Will an Archive Reinstall somehow give me my Classic Prefs back? Thanks, ~Yersinia. I think you have to install the OS 9 (on a separate partition would be my preference), and make sure it is Blessed. Don't remember the details, but it all occurs under the Installation OS 9 CD control as I would do it. Maybe a CCC clone of another OS 9 partition would work, too. Not sure how Archive and Install handles the OS 9 ... I'm sure someone else can help more ... Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
