Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-06 Thread Po-en Tsai
If you look on the downloads page, there is also a older version of Disk
Inventory X, for Mac OSX 10.2. It is version 0.8 if I recall.

http://www.derlien.com/downloads/index.html - Disk Inventory X for 10.2
later.

Thanks,

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-06 Thread PAR

If your Smurf is a revision 1, you might not be able to use a larger
drive (unless you have an Acard or comparable controller). I had one,
and the controller corrupted drives larger than 9.5 GBs. I tried
installing OSX 10.2 on a 60 GB drive and a 10 GB drive, and the built
in controller corrupted both. I finally tried an old 9.5 GB, and the
controller was able to run it without trouble.
Paul Riemerman

On Jul 5, 11:34 pm, Po-en Tsai poen.t...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you look on the downloads page, there is also a older version of Disk
 Inventory X, for Mac OSX 10.2. It is version 0.8 if I recall.

 http://www.derlien.com/downloads/index.html- Disk Inventory X for 10.2
 later.

 Thanks,

 Po-en Tsai

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-06 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jul 4, 2009, at 6:51 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:


 I've read somewhere if your free hard drive space is less than 50% of
 the total, you might even have trouble running OS X ... don't know the
 facts here, but you need more free space just to run OS X ...

10%, not 50% is a good rule of thumb.

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-06 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Jul 4, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 Is the hard drive that full? or is he running out of available  
 memory,
 and thinks the message pertains to the HD in lieu of actual RAM?

 No, the HD actually has 1.52 GB of free space and then, after a bit
 the message I get tells me my HD is out of available space. Looking at
 it I see it says I have 40.8 MB left of free space.

You haven't said how much RAM you have, but you're in serious  
bottleneck territory if it's low.

What it sounds like is that your system is rapidly running out of RAM  
and then filling the 1.52 GB with swap files. with only 1.52 gigs of  
swap space you can fill that in a heartbeat, if your'e low on RAM.

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-06 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 7/6/09, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 On Jul 4, 2009, at 9:55 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

 Is the hard drive that full? or is he running out of available
 memory,
 and thinks the message pertains to the HD in lieu of actual RAM?

 No, the HD actually has 1.52 GB of free space and then, after a bit
 the message I get tells me my HD is out of available space. Looking at
 it I see it says I have 40.8 MB left of free space.

 You haven't said how much RAM you have, but you're in serious
 bottleneck territory if it's low.

 What it sounds like is that your system is rapidly running out of RAM
 and then filling the 1.52 GB with swap files. with only 1.52 gigs of
 swap space you can fill that in a heartbeat, if your'e low on RAM.

It is maxed out on RAm
I turned off Java in Safari (it is set to run Java by default) and
that seems to be helping.

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread Clark Martin

Stephen Conrad wrote:
 On 7/4/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote:

 50% would be an absurd amount.  A percentage value isn't relevant, the
 amount is principally tied to virtual memory which depends on what
 programs are open.  A better figure is to not let free space drop below
 about 5Gb.
 
 Well..this is the original 6 GB HD that came with this machine
 4.67 GB for Mac OS X
 896.8 MB for storage (it was gonna be OS 9 but I deferred it to storage)

6Gb is REAL tight for OS X.  To make it work you need to install it 
without all the extras or remove them later.  Extras as in un-needed 
printer drivers, languages and probably certain applications.  Garage 
band for example is just plain huge for example.

I don't recall what OS you are using but you can trim out quit a bit. 
Depending on what you cut out and what version of the OS you can get it 
down to about 2Gb (I can't recall if that's with or without the 
Application folder).


But your best solution is to get a bigger drive.  A 20 Gb drive is 
usually plenty of room as long as you don't have any heavy data storage 
(video for example).

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Stephen Conradkhel...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD
 OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon)
 I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit
 Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is
 down to 40.8 MB)
 I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I
 took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up
 a little more space).

 What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less
 tabs open than before this ever happened.

 Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it
 not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I
 rebooted the machine

 I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs

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 Henrietta, MO 64036

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I recommend you go to versiontracker.com and download a file manager
utility that will look for duplicate files and other unneeded garbage.
A file manger utility makes these searches MUCH less painful than
opening the normal windows etc.

FileDaemon is the one I like but there are others.

You should also defrag. My guess is it is long overdue.

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread Peter


On Jul 5, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio wrote:


 On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Stephen Conradkhel...@gmail.com  
 wrote:

 OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD
 OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon)
 I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit
 Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is
 down to 40.8 MB)
 I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I
 took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up
 a little more space).

 What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less
 tabs open than before this ever happened.

 Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it
 not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I
 rebooted the machine

 I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs

 --
 Steve Conrad
 Henrietta, MO 64036

 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle  
 behind;
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   - Capt. Henry Gloval


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 I recommend you go to versiontracker.com and download a file manager
 utility that will look for duplicate files and other unneeded garbage.
 A file manger utility makes these searches MUCH less painful than
 opening the normal windows etc.

 FileDaemon is the one I like but there are others.

 You should also defrag. My guess is it is long overdue.


6GB pretty much is the low end for running OSX. Get a bigger HD and  
copy the content from the 6GB with CCC to the new HD.

Peter M.
  

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread John Martz

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Peterpeter1...@gmail.com wrote:
 6GB pretty much is the low end for running OSX. Get a bigger HD and
 copy the content from the 6GB with CCC to the new HD.

My sentiments exactly!

Although ... before leaping into getting a bigger drive it might be
wise to walk through what your options are.

I say this because I'm just a lurker here. I have no direct experience
with the hard drives used in older Macs.

While it has been my experience that (especially in recent years) the
hard drive has become one of the *most* standardized commodity
components used in a computer, it's always better to take the measure
twice, cut once route, no?

Another question to consider is how much money are you willing to
throw at this machine to get it to work better?
$0?
$10?
$20?
$30?
 ... et cetera ...

FWIW,

-irrational john

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 7/5/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote:

 Stephen Conrad wrote:
 On 7/4/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote:

 50% would be an absurd amount.  A percentage value isn't relevant, the
 amount is principally tied to virtual memory which depends on what
 programs are open.  A better figure is to not let free space drop below
 about 5Gb.

 Well..this is the original 6 GB HD that came with this machine
 4.67 GB for Mac OS X
 896.8 MB for storage (it was gonna be OS 9 but I deferred it to storage)

 6Gb is REAL tight for OS X.  To make it work you need to install it
 without all the extras or remove them later.  Extras as in un-needed
 printer drivers, languages and probably certain applications.  Garage
 band for example is just plain huge for example.

 I don't run Garage band or anything like that.
 This is an old BW G3 (a Smurf, Rev. A MB) and this is the HD it came with.


 I don't recall what OS you are using but you can trim out quit a bit.
 Depending on what you cut out and what version of the OS you can get it
 down to about 2Gb (I can't recall if that's with or without the
 Application folder).

 I believe I did do some trimming back when I put OS X 10.2.8 on the HD (I 
 originally had plain old OS
 X (10.0 and then 10.1 and then went up to 10.2.8). I did see 10.3 at the 
 Goodwill Store where I work
 (in the back room, not on the sales floor) and if I can grab it I will since 
 I did plan to one day take this
 HD out and put it in an external drive case, put a larger HD in this machine 
 and put 10.3 on the new
 HD as I hear it is better than 10.2


 But your best solution is to get a bigger drive.  A 20 Gb drive is
 usually plenty of room as long as you don't have any heavy data storage
 (video for example).

 I only store text files and pics from sites like The Daily Kitten and even 
 those eventually get taken off
 the main HD and stored elsewhere (usually a flash drive).

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread Dan

At 5:37 PM -0600 7/4/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote:
BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD OS X 10.2.8

I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit
Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is
down to 40.8 MB)

Perhaps pages you visited were quite complex, causing the need for 
virtual memory to expand suddenly.

Take a look with this command, issued in Terminal:

   ls -al /var/vm

Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it
not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I
rebooted the machine

Boot into safe mode (shift key held down) then run a Verify Disk pass 
with Disk Utiliity again.  If it still cannot complete then you may 
have a hardware problem.

- Dan.
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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-05 Thread iJohn

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Po-en Tsaipoen.t...@gmail.com wrote:
 Download the utility called 'Disk Inventory X' and run it on your OSX HDD.
 It will tell you what is taking up space on your computer, and where it is.
 Then you can delete whatever you dont need.

 Disk Inventory X: http://www.derlien.com/

Yes, but ..
Disk Inventory X is a disk usage utility for Mac OS X 10.3 (and later).

And if I recall correctly, he's running OS X 10.2

-irrationally literal john

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Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Stephen Conrad

OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD
OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon)
I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit
Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is
down to 40.8 MB)
I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I
took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up
a little more space).

What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less
tabs open than before this ever happened.

Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it
not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I
rebooted the machine

I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs

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Henrietta, MO 64036

The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind;
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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Bill Connelly


On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD
 OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon)
 I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit
 Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is
 down to 40.8 MB)
 I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I
 took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up
 a little more space).

 What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less
 tabs open than before this ever happened.

 Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it
 not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I
 rebooted the machine

 I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs


This might sound obvious. but did you also empty the Trash after you  
made more room?

40.8MB isn't anything relative to hard disk space. Sure that wasn't  
memory left while running several apps?

Browsers have caches and things that I believe are on the hard  
drive ... and they grow/shrink as they are programmed to do.

I've read somewhere if your free hard drive space is less than 50% of  
the total, you might even have trouble running OS X ... don't know the  
facts here, but you need more free space just to run OS X ... after  
the space taken up by the Installation. I  think its called Virtual  
RAM cache. 40.8MB if you are talking about hard drive space, just  
isn't enough, AFAIK.

Maybe others can help ... using applejack comes to mind, but I cannot  
advise you how to do that ...

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 7/4/09, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:


 On Jul 4, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:


 OK, I am on a BW G3 (Smurf) and it had 1.53 GB left on the HD
 OS X 10.2.8 (new computer is going to be here soon)
 I only have the following open: Opera, Safari, Terminal and TextEdit
 Suddenly I get a message saying I have no more HD space free (it is
 down to 40.8 MB)
 I have only downloaded 2 small pictures (Daily Kitten) and earlier I
 took some stuff off the HD and put them onto a flash disk (to free up
 a little more space).

 What could be causing this? It is a recent issue and I have even less
 tabs open than before this ever happened.

 Earlier I ran DiskUtility but it stopped and after 30 minutes of it
 not advancing (it froze the machine so a reboot was necessary). I
 rebooted the machine

 I do NOT have the 10.2 CDs


 This might sound obvious. but did you also empty the Trash after you
 made more room?

 40.8MB isn't anything relative to hard disk space. Sure that wasn't
 memory left while running several apps?

 Browsers have caches and things that I believe are on the hard
 drive ... and they grow/shrink as they are programmed to do.

 I've read somewhere if your free hard drive space is less than 50% of
 the total, you might even have trouble running OS X ... don't know the
 facts here, but you need more free space just to run OS X ... after
 the space taken up by the Installation. I  think its called Virtual
 RAM cache. 40.8MB if you are talking about hard drive space, just
 isn't enough, AFAIK.

 Maybe others can help ... using applejack comes to mind, but I cannot
 advise you how to do that ...

Yes, I emptied the Trash
Opera has its Cache set to 20MB
I don't see what it is in Safari (I checked all the Preferences)
In Safari I just turned off Java and JavaScript (I had always had them
left Enabled as that was Default)

I did try (after a Reboot) to see if Process Viewer would be of any help
Here are the biggies (nothing was running but ProcessViewer)

   %CPU  %Mem
ProcessViewer   13.800.40
ATSServer 27.** 0.20(It was 27.something)
(Later on it said)  0.30 0.20
- I have no idea what this is


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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Clark Martin

Bill Connelly wrote:

 I've read somewhere if your free hard drive space is less than 50% of  
 the total, you might even have trouble running OS X ... don't know the  
 facts here, but you need more free space just to run OS X ... after  
 the space taken up by the Installation. I  think its called Virtual  
 RAM cache. 40.8MB if you are talking about hard drive space, just  
 isn't enough, AFAIK.
 


50% would be an absurd amount.  A percentage value isn't relevant, the 
amount is principally tied to virtual memory which depends on what 
programs are open.  A better figure is to not let free space drop below 
about 5Gb.



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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 7/4/09, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote:

 Bill Connelly wrote:

 I've read somewhere if your free hard drive space is less than 50% of
 the total, you might even have trouble running OS X ... don't know the
 facts here, but you need more free space just to run OS X ... after
 the space taken up by the Installation. I  think its called Virtual
 RAM cache. 40.8MB if you are talking about hard drive space, just
 isn't enough, AFAIK.



 50% would be an absurd amount.  A percentage value isn't relevant, the
 amount is principally tied to virtual memory which depends on what
 programs are open.  A better figure is to not let free space drop below
 about 5Gb.

Well..this is the original 6 GB HD that came with this machine
4.67 GB for Mac OS X
896.8 MB for storage (it was gonna be OS 9 but I deferred it to storage)

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Bill Connelly



 40.8MB

???

What I was trying to get at is ...

Is the hard drive that full? or is he running out of available memory,  
and thinks the message pertains to the HD in lieu of actual RAM?

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Bill Connelly


On Jul 5, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

 Well..this is the original 6 GB HD that came with this machine
 4.67 GB for Mac OS X
 896.8 MB for storage (it was gonna be OS 9 but I deferred it to  
 storage)

'
OS X takes a fair amount of disk space just to install. A 6GB drive  
probably isn't big enough to run off of.

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Re: Help! HD filling up issue

2009-07-04 Thread Stephen Conrad

On 7/4/09, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:

 40.8MB

 ???

 What I was trying to get at is ...

 Is the hard drive that full? or is he running out of available memory,
 and thinks the message pertains to the HD in lieu of actual RAM?

No, the HD actually has 1.52 GB of free space and then, after a bit
the message I get tells me my HD is out of available space. Looking at
it I see it says I have 40.8 MB left of free space.

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