Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Bill Connelly]

I would like the List Nanny to close this thread (I'm the OP).

I apologize for starting it here, and have initiated it on the Mac Pro  
list.


Thx

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Lawrence David Eden]

With all due respect - this should be started on a new thread, not a 
highjack of this one.





I thought the Mac Pro mentioned in the post was an Intel Mac

Larry









On Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:09:50 AM UTC-5, TubaMan wrote:

Dear Listers,

I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that
many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.

Your thoughts?


Larry

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Mac User #330250]

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Subject: Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
Date:Thursday, 10. January 2013
From:John Carmonne 
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> Yes, the loss of Rosetta is a PITA so I keep SL on for
> just that. Virtual box can take care of that issue also.

With VirtualBox and every Virtual Machine (VM) for that matter, limitations
apply:
http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#intro-macosxguests

/Mac OS X is commercial, licensed software and contains both license and
technical restrictions that limit its use to certain hardware and usage
scenarios. It is important that you understand and obey these restrictions.
In particular, for most versions of Mac OS X, Apple prohibits installing them
on non-Apple hardware.
These license restrictions are also enforced on a technical level. Mac OS X
verifies whether it is running on Apple hardware, and most DVDs that that come
with Apple hardware even check for an exact model. These restrictions are not
circumvented by VirtualBox and continue to apply./

It is sometimes construed that only 10.6 Server may be used in a Virtual
Machine due to the OS X license, but that is not entirely true (see answer by
Tom Rose):
http://www.itworld.com/answers/topic/virtualization/question/can-i-virtualize-snow-leopard-lion

Dispite this “fact” (that the license doesn’t mention VMs at all), most
Virtual Machines don’t support 10.6 anyway:
http://37prime.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/vmware-fusion-4-1-1-no-snow-leopard-client-allowed/

(Fusion 4.1 did allow 10.6 and 10.7, with Fusion 4.1.1 they removed it and
only allowed Server).

Once you know, understood and complied with the license (and if you know which
parts of the license are legally binding for you, which will also depend on
where you live, and in the end—that what it comes down to—if you care about it
that much), there is almost always a way:
http://blog.iharder.net/2011/07/25/run-snow-leopard-in-virtual-machine-to-retain-powerpc-applications/

Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:23 AM, "ROBERT H. BAUCOM"  wrote:

> Pages is too similar  to MicroSuck WORD to me

Wow, that's odd, because what Pages reminds me of more than anything else is 
good ol' Pagemaker, which I LOVED. 

For years my "word processor" was actually either "Ready, Set, Go" or Pagemaker.

RSG actually still exists , although 
sadly, they're not compatible with 10.7 or 10.8, and none of their available 
versions will open my old files, let alone save them to something I can use.

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Cameron Kaiser]

> >>I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that 
> >>many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.
> >
> >I would like to see this too, many are transitioning to the Intel's 
> >and and some posts include both. An example: G5 and Mac Pro are the 
> >same but for the processors. And use the same System in the OSX 10.5.
> 
> This is moot; already permitted... Unless our one-off topic rule has 
> imploded suddenly?

That is exactly what I was going to point out.

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[ROBERT H. BAUCOM]

I agree that Mountain Lion is a pain in the posterior to any old time, Mac 
Proficient, Senior. That being the case, I use my new Mac Pro Tower, 1.2 GHz 
Quad-Core Intel Chip for email and certain projects …   BUT , I keep my 
Quicksilver with AirPort/Wifi turned off for my finances and investments. It 
runs Leopard OS11.5.8 and Quicken 2007 PLUS ) It has the discontinued Apple 
Works 6.2.9 on it. 

It seems that  everything New Apple comes up with … drops a feature that I had 
used everyday. Such as back then, Macro's on Apple Works word processing (which 
really chapped my tail) … and then, they dropped Apple Works). With Mountain 
Lion's Pages there are also no Macro's. In can't find a way to increase the 
Print size in incoming Mail, etc. etc.

For that matter, I know of a person (very  much more Macintosh Knowledgeable 
than me) that does high end home remodeling. He stayed with OS9.2.2 in  his 
business, because: he had all the drafting software and I quote, "I don't have 
time to waste learning a New System and all the short cuts every time Apple 
changes the OS. The older software that I own does the job just fine."

In my case, All my envelopes, Letter heads, lists, contracts, etc are Apple 
Works documents. 

Pages is too similar  to MicroSuck WORD to me … And I rejected "Werd" many 
years back. For writing, I changed to Nisus Writer Pro years ago. To submit a 
manuscript, which MS Werd is the  only thing most editors will accept these 
days, Nisus writer will convert it to MS Werd for submission. 

RHB
If you think a computer is saving you time … 
I have some underwater, swampland lots 
you might be interested in buying. ~ The Ole Curmudeon


On Jan 10, 2013, at 10:10 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:

> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote:
> 
>> Il giorno 10/01/13 06:58, Kris Tilford ha scritto:
>> 
 I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard
>>> 
>>> Skip straight to Mountain Lion.
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree.
>> First, if you don't know the OP needs, how could you know what's best for
>> him?
>> Second, Snow Leopard has - at least - a couple benefits over Lion / M.Lion:
>> - SL can still run PPC applications (via Rosetta)
>> - the interface is - IMHO - better and clearer.
>> 
>> I had to use a Lion-equipped Mac, and I was lost! :-o
>> The user interface and Finder didn't behave like I was used to; Mac's user
>> friendliness my @ss!
> 
> 
> 
>> (and I'm a long time Mac user, no newbie)
>> 
>> Thus no, newer is NOT always better. ;-)
>> 
> 

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:14 AM, John Carmonne  wrote:

> I would like to see this too, many are transitioning to the Intel's and and 
> some posts include both. An example: G5 and Mac Pro are the same but for the 
> processors.

Well, except for the slots, oh, and the memory, and pretty much everything but 
the case, hardware-wise :-) 

However there already are INtel-oriented LEM lists; I'm on the Macintel and the 
Macbook lists (and the iMac list coveres all models from the original Bondi to 
the latest Intel one)

I've stated many times before that the balkanization of the LEM lists reduces 
the signal:noise ratio considerably. I'd prefer a much simpler set of lists:

Mac Desktops, Mac Laptops, Mac General would cover them all adequately rather 
than having to sub to a myriad of different lists. (if you can, some lists are 
no longer actively administered…iirc the last list Admin on the MacBooks list 
left well over a year ago, so messages can get stuck in moderation)

If some thread doesn't interest you, you don't have to read or participate. 
 I've been outvoted on this matter every time, too.

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PPC and Intel Lists (was :Mac Pro Testing Suggestions)

[JohnV]

On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Charles Lenington wrote:


On 1/10/13 08:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

Dear Listers,

I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs. I think that  
many

of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.




Why, (when)  there is an intel group?

http://lowendmac.com/lists/macintel.html


Exactly.
As a model, I'm part of  a similar-but-separate moderated lists of  
audio engineers and technicians. The experience, knowledge and  
educational content is huge. Even though I'd say there;s a 50% or  
better core group of common members that are all active and valued  
members of all THREE lists, the tight control of content- 
consciousness  for each list is truly a blessing. It is seamlessly  
easy to keep track of all of the lists and content.




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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Brett]

PPC only please

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:55 AM, Charles Lenington  wrote:

> On 1/10/13 08:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
>> Dear Listers,
>> 
>> I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs. I think that many
>> of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.
>> 
>> Your thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> Larry
>> 
>> 
> Why, there is an intel group?
> 
> http://lowendmac.com/lists/macintel.html
> 
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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Dan]

At 6:14 AM -0800 01/10/2013, John Carmonne wrote:

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:
I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that 
many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.


I would like to see this too, many are transitioning to the Intel's 
and and some posts include both. An example: G5 and Mac Pro are the 
same but for the processors. And use the same System in the OSX 10.5.


This is moot; already permitted... Unless our one-off topic rule has 
imploded suddenly?


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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

> Dear Listers,
> 
> I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that many of 
> us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> 

I would like to see this too, many are transitioning to the Intel's and and 
some posts include both. An example: G5 and Mac Pro are the same but for the 
processors. And use the same System in the OSX 10.5.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote:

> Il giorno 10/01/13 06:58, Kris Tilford ha scritto:
> 
>>> I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard
>> 
>> Skip straight to Mountain Lion.
> 
> I respectfully disagree.
> First, if you don't know the OP needs, how could you know what's best for
> him?
> Second, Snow Leopard has - at least - a couple benefits over Lion / M.Lion:
> - SL can still run PPC applications (via Rosetta)
> - the interface is - IMHO - better and clearer.
> 
> I had to use a Lion-equipped Mac, and I was lost! :-o
> The user interface and Finder didn't behave like I was used to; Mac's user
> friendliness my @ss!



> (and I'm a long time Mac user, no newbie)
> 
> Thus no, newer is NOT always better. ;-)
> 


All you need to do in 10.7 or 10.8 is go to system and Mail preferences and 
tune them to act exactly like SL 10.6
Plus Dictation and Mission control is a super upgrade. Yes, the loss of Rosetta 
is a PITA so I keep SL on for just that.
Virtual box can take care of that issue also.

John Carmonne
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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 10, 2013, at 6:28 AM, James Knight wrote:

> I disagree. There are plenty of websites and resources available for Intel 
> era macs.
> 
> Sent from my mobile device.

That may be so but the knowledge base here is better than most. Plus the others 
are mostly forums.
> 
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:
> 
>> Dear Listers,
>> 
>> I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that many of 
>> us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.
>> 
>> Your thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> Larry

John Carmonne
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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[JoeTaxpayer]

With all due respect - this should be started on a new thread, not a 
highjack of this one. 

On Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:09:50 AM UTC-5, TubaMan wrote:
>
> Dear Listers, 
>
> I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that 
> many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models. 
>
> Your thoughts? 
>
>
> Larry 
>
>
>

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Charles Lenington]

On 1/10/13 08:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote:

Dear Listers,

I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs. I think that many
of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.

Your thoughts?


Larry



Why, there is an intel group?

http://lowendmac.com/lists/macintel.html

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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[James Knight]

I disagree. There are plenty of websites and resources available for Intel era 
macs.

Sent from my mobile device.

On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Lawrence David Eden  wrote:

> Dear Listers,
> 
> I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that many of 
> us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Valter Prahlad]

Il giorno 10/01/13 06:58, Kris Tilford ha scritto:

>> I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard
> 
> Skip straight to Mountain Lion.

I respectfully disagree.
First, if you don't know the OP needs, how could you know what's best for
him?
Second, Snow Leopard has - at least - a couple benefits over Lion / M.Lion:
- SL can still run PPC applications (via Rosetta)
- the interface is - IMHO - better and clearer.

I had to use a Lion-equipped Mac, and I was lost! :-o
The user interface and Finder didn't behave like I was used to; Mac's user
friendliness my @ss!
(and I'm a long time Mac user, no newbie)

Thus no, newer is NOT always better. ;-)


>> Basically want to know everything is working correctly.
> 
> First rule: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If only the OP knew what is broke and what is not... ;-D


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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Lawrence David Eden]

Dear Listers,

I would like our Group to start including Intel Macs.  I think that 
many of us are using old G3s, 4s and 5s as well as Intel models.


Your thoughts?


Larry


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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[John Carmonne]

On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:

> Just got a nice deal on a Mac Pro 3,1 (Early 2008) 2 x 3.0MHz with Intel Xeon 
> 5400 series ("Harpertown") processors.
> 
> What type of testing might I run, to exercise the various parts? Is there an 
> Apple Hardware Test or Service Diagnostics that I could get a hold of?
> 
> I have run Geekbench, and am trying to compare the details of the results 
> with others on the benchmark site, but its a bit tedious hunting down the 
> data for comparison (still working on it).
> 
> I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard (currently running 10.5.8), and hope 
> to compare some results there as well.
> 
> Basically want to know everything is working correctly.
> 
> Suggestions welcomed.
> 

I use  ASD  3S116 on my Mac Pro it's all the tests.

John Carmonne
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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Richard Gerome]

 If you do get a new OS weather it be Snow Leopard or better do a total 
clean of the HD by erasing it first and if it takes the new OS without a 
problem you should be good to go!!! Also I would max out the memory too. I 
think this computer is maxed at 4G??? Not sure if it will take more??? 



-Original Message-
>From: Kris Tilford 
>Sent: Jan 10, 2013 12:58 AM
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>Subject: Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions
>
>On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:
>
>> I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard
>
>Skip straight to Mountain Lion.
>
>> Basically want to know everything is working correctly.
>
>
>First rule: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Kris Tilford]

On Jan 9, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Bill Connelly wrote:


I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard


Skip straight to Mountain Lion.


Basically want to know everything is working correctly.



First rule: if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Mac Pro Testing Suggestions

[Bill Connelly]

Just got a nice deal on a Mac Pro 3,1 (Early 2008) 2 x 3.0MHz with  
Intel Xeon 5400 series ("Harpertown") processors.


What type of testing might I run, to exercise the various parts? Is  
there an Apple Hardware Test or Service Diagnostics that I could get a  
hold of?


I have run Geekbench, and am trying to compare the details of the  
results with others on the benchmark site, but its a bit tedious  
hunting down the data for comparison (still working on it).


I am also getting a copy of Snow Leopard (currently running 10.5.8),  
and hope to compare some results there as well.


Basically want to know everything is working correctly.

Suggestions welcomed.

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