Re: Molasses response

[JohnV]

Just brought home the 2T seagate , will try putting it in sunday...



You can do it the hard hard way. Connect MacA to Mac B via  
FWTarget mode or sharing files over the network you can copy Sara- 
MacA's files over to Sara-MacB's folders, import the emails, etc.


 Will give you some help  
doing this. You may be able to import the keychain using Keychain  
access on MacB, but I"m not sure.


You may have to do it manually, the hard way, opening Keychain  
Access on Mac A and opening each item in the login keychain and  
viewing it, writingit down and manually entering it on Mac B as  
needed.





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Re: Molasses response

[JohnV]

THIS all starts to make sense from what I was reading... what -I-  
want to do is not what it's set up to do...

thanks.



You cannot use MA to *merge* two user accounts.



You can do it the hard hard way. Connect MacA to Mac B via FWTarget  
mode or sharing files over the network you can copy Sara-MacA's  
files over to Sara-MacB's folders, import the emails, etc.


 Will give you some help  
doing this. You may be able to import the keychain using Keychain  
access on MacB, but I"m not sure.


You may have to do it manually, the hard way, opening Keychain  
Access on Mac A and opening each item in the login keychain and  
viewing it, writingit down and manually entering it on Mac B as  
needed.


I don;t mind the tediousness, just the likelyhood of making a mistake  
or missing something.


I got some studyin to do...

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Re: Molasses response

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:58 AM, JohnV  wrote:

> 
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, JohnV  wrote:
>>> thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that stuff 
>>> from the originating system?
>> 
>> No, MA is a read-only process, nothing is removed from the old system.
> 
> are existing things on the NEW system wiped and replaced by the incoming 
> Migration, or just added-to... things like handshakes (user-id + password) on 
> forums and such already on the new system in, say, SAFARI, do those get 
> DUMPED and replaced and I'm left ONLY the stuff from the migrating system's 
> SAFARI info,  or does it all get combined (what I'd hope…)?

This is where the issue of duplicate users comes in. You can only use MA to 
import unique users. (It's smart enough with the applications and such to not 
duplicate older apps, etc)

If I have Mac A user 'Sam' and Mac B, user 'Joe', I can use MA on Mac B to 
import user Sam and all his settings, files etc from Mac A to Mac B.

You cannot use MA to *merge* two user accounts.

If I have Mac A user 'Sam' and Mac B, also user 'Sam', I CAN NOT use MA on Mac 
B to import user Sam and all his settings, files etc from Mac A to Mac B.

This is most common when folks do the standard Mac setup and end up with one 
account 'Your Name' on the computer THEN want to import their old settings. 
This won't work.

There are several ways to do this:

Presuming we have the user account 'Sara' on both Macs. 

If the account on MacB was just created (ie, it's a brand new Mac, or you just 
added that user) the fix is simple:

Create a new administrative user on Mac B. Log off as Sara and in as the new 
user. Delete the user Sara on Mac B, then use MA to import the Sara account 
from Mac A.

If the Sara account on MacB has been in use (Ie: there's stuff you wish to 
keep), you can change the Sara account on Mac B to have a different name 
, then use MA to import Sara from Mac A. 

Then you end up with two accounts to swap back and forth between. Pretty 
cumbersome.

You can do it the hard hard way. Connect MacA to Mac B via FWTarget mode or 
sharing files over the network you can copy Sara-MacA's files over to 
Sara-MacB's folders, import the emails, etc. 

 Will give you some help doing this. 
You may be able to import the keychain using Keychain access on MacB, but I"m 
not sure.

You may have to do it manually, the hard way, opening Keychain Access on Mac A 
and opening each item in the login keychain and viewing it, writingit down and 
manually entering it on Mac B as needed.


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Re: Molasses response

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:53 AM, JohnV  wrote:

> Bruce (and all of you...!)  thanks again for patience and guidance.
> 
> Onwards...
> 
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>> 
>>> did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems
>> 
>> Ok you've either got disk hardware issues or it's a corrupted volume. If 
>> it's the latter DiskWarrior can fix this.
> 
> I see advantage to more storage on this machine so going ahead with the HD 
> swap makes sense...?
> 
> 
> 
>>> I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that the 
>>> AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED DESTINATIONS ?
>> 
>> No, in fact saving as a disk image is NOT what you want to do. I don't know 
>> what version of CCC you're using.
> 
> 3.4.7
> 
> 
>> Older versions had a checkbox to allow the backup to be bootable, so long as 
>> the drive was formatted correctly and with the correct partition type.
>> 
>> Just checked my version (v 3.3.3) and it will automatically create a 
>> bootable clone if the drive is properly formatted and you've selected a disk 
>> instead of disk image to back up to.
>> 
> 
> so whatever is in the CCC backup -IS- my clone?

Yes. 

> 
> 
> I was looking in teh PREFERENCES box, adn nothing simply says MAKE A BOOTABLE 
> DISK,
> there are 5 check boxes for various things
> 
> - automatically create an archive of lion's recovery HD volume (checked)
> 
> -automatically save to a disk image on non-HFS+ formatted destinations (NOT 
> checked)
> 
> - indicate when a block level clone is possible (NOT checked)
> 
> -dont  show a warning when choosing the startup disk as the destination (NOT 
> checked)
> 
> - ask for confirmation before pruning archive content during an ad-hoc task 
> (checked)
> 
> 

If the CCC dialog looks like this when you've selected the appropriate disks, 
then it's bootable  (I 
added the red oval)


>> You mentioned a few files that CCC complains about. What are they?
> 
> Cant seem to grab text from the CCC reports i saved... there are consistently 
> 10 files that show up as flagged.


Email me one of the reports offlist, I'll look at them.

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Re: Molasses response

[JohnV]

On Feb 28, 2013, at 11:43 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, JohnV  wrote:
thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE  
that stuff from the originating system?


No, MA is a read-only process, nothing is removed from the old system.


are existing things on the NEW system wiped and replaced by the  
incoming Migration, or just added-to... things like handshakes (user- 
id + password) on forums and such already on the new system in, say,  
SAFARI, do those get DUMPED and replaced and I'm left ONLY the stuff  
from the migrating system's SAFARI info,  or does it all get combined  
(what I'd hope...)?




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Re: Molasses response

[JohnV]

Bruce (and all of you...!)  thanks again for patience and guidance.

Onwards...

On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems


Ok you've either got disk hardware issues or it's a corrupted  
volume. If it's the latter DiskWarrior can fix this.


I see advantage to more storage on this machine so going ahead with  
the HD swap makes sense...?




I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that  
the AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED  
DESTINATIONS ?


No, in fact saving as a disk image is NOT what you want to do. I  
don't know what version of CCC you're using.


3.4.7


Older versions had a checkbox to allow the backup to be bootable,  
so long as the drive was formatted correctly and with the correct  
partition type.


Just checked my version (v 3.3.3) and it will automatically create  
a bootable clone if the drive is properly formatted and you've  
selected a disk instead of disk image to back up to.




so whatever is in the CCC backup -IS- my clone?


I was looking in teh PREFERENCES box, adn nothing simply says MAKE A  
BOOTABLE DISK,

there are 5 check boxes for various things

- automatically create an archive of lion's recovery HD volume (checked)

-automatically save to a disk image on non-HFS+ formatted  
destinations (NOT checked)


- indicate when a block level clone is possible (NOT checked)

-dont  show a warning when choosing the startup disk as the  
destination (NOT checked)


- ask for confirmation before pruning archive content during an ad- 
hoc task (checked)




You mentioned a few files that CCC complains about. What are they?


Cant seem to grab text from the CCC reports i saved... there are  
consistently 10 files that show up as flagged.




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Re: Molasses response

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:03 AM, JohnV  wrote:

> 
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> 
>> 
>> So long as you do not try to import a user with the same name as an existing 
>> one, this is what Migration Assistant is for. You can specify in the dialog 
>> whether you want users, applications or 'other files', and you can select 
>> users individually.
>> 
>> However the imported users cannot have the same short name as an existing 
>> user on the iMac.
>> 
>> Migration Assistant is smart enough to deal with your concerns, all you want 
>> to do is import the user profiles for your needs, which will include all 
>> settings like mail accounts, user keychains, etc.
>> 
>> Really, Migration Assistant 'just works', and it works well; I use it all 
>> the time.
> 
> thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that stuff 
> from the originating system?

No, MA is a read-only process, nothing is removed from the old system.

> There was something I read also about authorizations of things like iTunes 
> and other software that is registered.

iTunes authorization is partly based on the ethernet hardware address of the 
computer (it's how it keeps track of the five computers you can authorize); you 
need to authorize any new computer. Some software needs to have the serial 
number re-entered, but I've not run into that issue in a long time.


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Re: Molasses response

[JohnV]

On Feb 28, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote:



So long as you do not try to import a user with the same name as an  
existing one, this is what Migration Assistant is for. You can  
specify in the dialog whether you want users, applications or  
'other files', and you can select users individually.


However the imported users cannot have the same short name as an  
existing user on the iMac.


Migration Assistant is smart enough to deal with your concerns, all  
you want to do is import the user profiles for your needs, which  
will include all settings like mail accounts, user keychains, etc.


Really, Migration Assistant 'just works', and it works well; I use  
it all the time.


thanks Bruce, from what little I've read, doesn;t MA also REMOVE that  
stuff from the originating system?
There was something I read also about authorizations of things like  
iTunes and other software that is registered.


Again, my ignorance and history of having Unexpected Consequences  
resulting in mangled systems (or at least not what I intended) from  
this sort of thing has me badly gun-shy about losing things in a  
process.


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Re: Molasses response

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On Feb 27, 2013, at 8:13 PM, JohnV  wrote:

> 
> Haven;t done this yet
> 
>>> Run disk repair.
> 
> did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems
> 

Ok you've either got disk hardware issues or it's a corrupted volume. If it's 
the latter DiskWarrior can fix this.

> 
>>> I assume the $80 SEAGATE 7200's at BEST BUY are adequate?
>> 
>> Yep/
>> 
>>> Do I want to get something small, or to partition a 2T drive?
>> 
>> No, I see no reason to partition drives unless you have need for multiple 
>> OS'es or a dedicated scratch partition.
> 
> My ignorance to the fore here, Do I recall something about boot partition 
> can;t be bigger than Some Size...?
> I just slapped the new 2T drive in for HD #2 and it works fine except for the 
> odd sluggish response of iTunes (I have teh iTunes library on HD2)
> it seems this is just as simple, buy a drive, pop it in,
> 

It is that simple. The limitation you're remembering is ancient ancient 
history: there were some early OS X-capable Macs that required the OS to be in 
an 8gb or smaller partition, but that doesn't apply here.


> 
>>> CCC has been backing this #1 drive to the #2 (2T) drive  for the last few 
>>> days.
>> 
>> If this is a straight-up volume-volume copy in CCC (and the 'Make Bootable' 
>> option is checked), just boot holding down the option key, select the CCC 
>> backup to boot from it.
> 
> I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that the 
> AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED DESTINATIONS ?

No, in fact saving as a disk image is NOT what you want to do. I don't know 
what version of CCC you're using. Older versions had a checkbox to allow the 
backup to be bootable, so long as the drive was formatted correctly and with 
the correct partition type.

Just checked my version (v 3.3.3) and it will automatically create a bootable 
clone if the drive is properly formatted and you've selected a disk instead of 
disk image to back up to.


> 
> 
>> run CCC to restore everything to the new drive and you're good to go. If it 
>> isn't, and you're insistent on sticking with 10.4 then it's a more difficult 
>> proposition, since you cannot use Migration Assistant.
> 
> Don;t follow you there... why does 'sticking with 10.4.11' make this MORE 
> difficult... it's 10.4.11 restoring to itself... or am I missing something?
> Again with my apparently endless ability to project more problems by assuming 
> I'm missing key elements:

If your CCC backup is not bootable, you will have to boot from a bootable 
device, then copy the CCC clone to the new drive. This will be a more 
complicated project. I thought 10.4 doesn't inculde Migration Assistant, but 
apparently it does  This article covers 
some of the info you need to know.

> 
> INSTALL EMPTY NEW #1 DRIVE
> Boot under CCC backup

New hard drives typiically come either unformatted, or formatted as FAT or NTFS 
for Windows use. You have to reformat your new drive before this will work:

Start Disk utility, select the new drive ( the line in Disk utility that 
includes the size)  and click on the Partition tab. Under Partition Layout, 
select '1 Partition', then click on Options and make sure 'Apple Partition Map' 
is selected.

> (seemingly magically) just transfer CCC backup to empty drive #1 and I should 
> be happy?

Not magically, start CCC on your cloned drive and clone itself to the new hard 
drive.

> Wasn;t that CCC backup from a damaged disk in the  first place?  Do Not 
> Re-install OSX, Do not pass Go , do not pay local Mac Shop $200…?

You mentioned a few files that CCC complains about. What are they? If they're 
not in the System or Library folder thay'll have nothing to do with the Mac 
running or not. CCC won't copy disk damage.

> 
> thanks tons for your patience here.
> I have spent my life doing  troubleshoot/repair of analog systems and 
> machines but this common home-computer maintenance is just driving me bats... 
> I feel dense.  grumblrlrlgmblblbl.hrmph!

We have all been there. I spent yesterday deep in the guts of the Internet 
Email specifications  to figure out why 
some mail servers were mangling emails a program was sending out. I'm now an 
expert on multi-part MIME message construction…for a week or so until I have to 
become an instant expert in something else that breaks :-)

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Re: Molasses response

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On Feb 27, 2013, at 8:13 PM, JohnV  wrote:

> The 1.83GHz INtel Core Duo iMac running 10.6.8 is the main everything-else 
> computer (or, again, is SUPPOSED to be), supposed to be  handling email, web 
> access and all the usual office and personal stuff. It has iLife and some of 
> the same programs installed on it as the G5 since it was the backup for the 
> G5 at one point, but it's not as  smooth working with the PPC programs.
> 
> What I need (or THINK I need...) is to get the passwords, keychain items and 
> other working elements off of the g5 onto the iMac so it can pick right up 
> doing that. That's be MAIL accounts, log-in ID and Passwords for various 
> website forums (forae?) and commercial sites like AMAZON, etc etc
> 
> That process of Moving Things from teh G5 to The Imac needs to consider that 
> the iMac is NOT a fresh clean machine but one already running programs on its 
> own, needs some tweaking (it has user accounts that I no longer need on it 
> for example) and my ignorance wonders about transferring EVERYTHING off the 
> G5 to the iMac rather than just what MAIL and SAFARI  need to connect and 
> operate in place of the G5 versions. I do understand that there;s a plethora 
> of OS stuff beyond that that may well have to go along to make the system 
> happy.

So long as you do not try to import a user with the same name as an existing 
one, this is what Migration Assistant is for. You can specify in the dialog 
whether you want users, applications or 'other files', and you can select users 
individually.

However the imported users cannot have the same short name as an existing user 
on the iMac.

Migration Assistant is smart enough to deal with your concerns, all you want to 
do is import the user profiles for your needs, which will include all settings 
like mail accounts, user keychains, etc.

Really, Migration Assistant 'just works', and it works well; I use it all the 
time.

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Re: Molasses response

[JohnV]

I really hope this isn;t annoyingly verbose, and that my ignorance- 
based concerns about process here may look like I'm somehow arguing  
with your recommendations which is COMPLETELY not the case.


There is , I think,  something I failed to make clear. This is a long- 
overdue clean up of several systems that have been taking over from  
each other when one or the other got problems, done in a disorganised  
and ignorant manner over time. That's unpleasant but  needs to be  
understood.
IF it sounds confessional, well, I feel like these machines deserve a  
better caretaker than I've been. No excuse, just fact.


 I have two main systems here that are supposed to fulfill different  
functions, they are a mess right now since I haven't dealt well with  
crashes and transfers over the last 18 months.


What I WANT (and  used to have clearly) is:

 the  G5 started as a wonderful G5 2.7 dual retired from video  
production and was a phenomenal audio workhorse. That G5 developed  
bad issues and is on the bench waiting for a new power supply. I  
simply moved the drives from it into a borrowed 1.8GHZ DUAL and  
proceeded from there. It is meant to be primarily a media workstation  
running the 10.4.11 era LOGIC and FINAL CUT PRO as well as PPC  
favorite things like AppleWorks and some OS9 stuff that works under  
CLASSIC. It  I don;t plan to use it as regular internet access,  
though in a pinch it should have the basic capability there if  
needed. It;s currently the ONLY machine with legacy email history and  
account setups.


The 1.83GHz INtel Core Duo iMac running 10.6.8 is the main everything- 
else computer (or, again, is SUPPOSED to be), supposed to be   
handling email, web access and all the usual office and personal  
stuff. It has iLife and some of the same programs installed on it as  
the G5 since it was the backup for the G5 at one point, but it's not  
as  smooth working with the PPC programs.


What I need (or THINK I need...) is to get the passwords, keychain  
items and other working elements off of the g5 onto the iMac so it  
can pick right up doing that. That's be MAIL accounts, log-in ID and  
Passwords for various website forums (forae?) and commercial sites  
like AMAZON, etc etc


That process of Moving Things from teh G5 to The Imac needs to  
consider that the iMac is NOT a fresh clean machine but one already  
running programs on its own, needs some tweaking (it has user  
accounts that I no longer need on it for example) and my ignorance  
wonders about transferring EVERYTHING off the G5 to the iMac rather  
than just what MAIL and SAFARI  need to connect and operate in place  
of the G5 versions. I do understand that there;s a plethora of OS  
stuff beyond that that may well have to go along to make the system  
happy.


On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


How can I check for RAM problems?


Install Applejack, boot in single-user mode and press X after  
starting Applejack to get to the memory test menu




Haven;t done this yet


Run disk repair.


did this, DIsk Utility stops and says the volume has problems



I assume the $80 SEAGATE 7200's at BEST BUY are adequate?


Yep/


Do I want to get something small, or to partition a 2T drive?


No, I see no reason to partition drives unless you have need for  
multiple OS'es or a dedicated scratch partition.


My ignorance to the fore here, Do I recall something about boot  
partition can;t be bigger than Some Size...?
I just slapped the new 2T drive in for HD #2 and it works fine except  
for the odd sluggish response of iTunes (I have teh iTunes library on  
HD2)

it seems this is just as simple, buy a drive, pop it in,


CCC has been backing this #1 drive to the #2 (2T) drive  for the  
last few days.


If this is a straight-up volume-volume copy in CCC (and the 'Make  
Bootable' option is checked), just boot holding down the option  
key, select the CCC backup to boot from it.


I don;t see a MAKE BOOTABLE option in CCC preferences... is that the  
AUTOMATICALLY SAVE TO A DISK IMAGE ON NON_HFS+ FORMATTED DESTINATIONS ?



run CCC to restore everything to the new drive and you're good to  
go. If it isn't, and you're insistent on sticking with 10.4 then  
it's a more difficult proposition, since you cannot use Migration  
Assistant.


Don;t follow you there... why does 'sticking with 10.4.11' make this  
MORE difficult... it's 10.4.11 restoring to itself... or am I missing  
something?
Again with my apparently endless ability to project more problems by  
assuming I'm missing key elements:


INSTALL EMPTY NEW #1 DRIVE
Boot under CCC backup
(seemingly magically) just transfer CCC backup to empty drive #1 and  
I should be happy?
Wasn;t that CCC backup from a damaged disk in the  first place?  Do  
Not Re-install OSX, Do not pass Go , do not pay local Mac Shop $200...?


thanks tons for your patience here.
I have spent my life doing  troubleshoot/repair of analog systems and  
machines but this common home-comput

Re: Molasses response

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:43 PM, JohnV wrote:

> MAIL will run OK, but APPLEWORKS can;t get but 1/2 started and hang,
> SAFARI works at first but then takes MINUTES to get the home URL up and on 
> screen. Any function makes the HD seem to work itself a LOT.
> And in SAFARI it gets worse until there are 10's of minutes between  any 
> input (mouse or keyboard) till you suddenly see the screen effect of it.
> when it hangs up during a LOGIC audio project, it will continue to play back 
> the  audio but nothing on the screen moves.
> 
> COMMAND-OPTION-ESC to bring up the FORCE QUIT box can take seconds or minutes 
> to happen.
> 
> How can I check for RAM problems?

Install Applejack, boot in single-user mode and press X after starting 
Applejack to get to the memory test menu

> 
> All of this coupled with the CARBON COPY consistent warning (it runs every 
> midnight) that it has about 10 files on what it calls a bad disc area makes 
> me think I should replace the 200GB  #1 drive ASAP.

Run disk repair.


> 
> Never done this one before, I'll admit.
> I assume the $80 SEAGATE 7200's at BEST BUY are adequate?

Yep/

> Do I want to get something small, or to partition a 2T drive?

No, I see no reason to partition drives unless you have need for multiple OS'es 
or a dedicated scratch partition.

> How do I prep things for this? CCC has been backing this #1 drive to the #2 
> (2T) drive  for the last few days.

If this is a straight-up volume-volume copy in CCC (and the 'Make Bootable' 
option is checked), just boot holding down the option key, select the CCC 
backup to boot from it. run CCC to restore everything to the new drive and 
you're good to go. If it isn't, and you're insistent on sticking with 10.4 then 
it's a more difficult proposition, since you cannot use Migration Assistant.

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REMINDER of what this machine is:

  Machine Name: Power Mac G5
  Machine Model:PowerMac7,3
  CPU Type: PowerPC G5  (2.2)
  Number Of CPUs:   2
  CPU Speed:1.8 GHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):   512 KB
  Memory:   2 GB
  Bus Speed:900 MHz
  Boot ROM Version: 5.1.8f7

Just tried pulling all the perifs off and SAFE boot and reboot, No  
Joy there, still the same mess.


MAIL will run OK, but APPLEWORKS can;t get but 1/2 started and hang,
SAFARI works at first but then takes MINUTES to get the home URL up  
and on screen. Any function makes the HD seem to work itself a LOT.
And in SAFARI it gets worse until there are 10's of minutes between   
any input (mouse or keyboard) till you suddenly see the screen effect  
of it.
when it hangs up during a LOGIC audio project, it will continue to  
play back the  audio but nothing on the screen moves.


COMMAND-OPTION-ESC to bring up the FORCE QUIT box can take seconds or  
minutes to happen.


How can I check for RAM problems?

All of this coupled with the CARBON COPY consistent warning (it runs  
every midnight) that it has about 10 files on what it calls a bad  
disc area makes me think I should replace the 200GB  #1 drive ASAP.


Never done this one before, I'll admit.
 I assume the $80 SEAGATE 7200's at BEST BUY are adequate?
Do I want to get something small, or to partition a 2T drive?
How do I prep things for this? CCC has been backing this #1 drive to  
the #2 (2T) drive  for the last few days.
I want to keep this G5 at 10.4.11 and will check, but should have all  
the install disks.


THanks for the help
John Vengrouskie

On Feb 25, 2013, at 8:55 PM, Valter Prahlad wrote:


Il giorno 25/02/13 23.09, JohnV ha scritto:


several USB and FW external drives hanging off it.
First, try using your G5 without any external peripheral connected  
(save for

monitor, mouse and keyboard).
Thus you'll know if the problem is related to some peripheral, or the
computer itself.

Second, run Disk Utility and check your disk(s); your troubles  
might be

related to a disk going bad.

Third (after trying the cache trick Kris told you), download,  
install and

run Applejack: http://applejack.sourceforge.net/
(run it in Single user mode: hold Command+S at boot)
This will do a general cleanup and get rid of possible system issues.

Then, I'd try a reinstall of OSX 10.4.11.
I WOULDN'T upgrade to a diffferent OSX version, until the problem  
has been

identified (new things often means new troubles).

You can also check Activity Monitor (Utility folder): checking CPU  
loads,

you might identify some process that's hogging the machine.

Did you change anything about your Ram lately?
Sometimes a bad/failing/troublesome Ram stick might create this  
kind of

symptoms, I think.


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Il giorno 25/02/13 23.09, JohnV ha scritto:

> several USB and FW external drives hanging off it.
First, try using your G5 without any external peripheral connected (save for
monitor, mouse and keyboard).
Thus you'll know if the problem is related to some peripheral, or the
computer itself.

Second, run Disk Utility and check your disk(s); your troubles might be
related to a disk going bad.

Third (after trying the cache trick Kris told you), download, install and
run Applejack: http://applejack.sourceforge.net/
(run it in Single user mode: hold Command+S at boot)
This will do a general cleanup and get rid of possible system issues.

Then, I'd try a reinstall of OSX 10.4.11.
I WOULDN'T upgrade to a diffferent OSX version, until the problem has been
identified (new things often means new troubles).

You can also check Activity Monitor (Utility folder): checking CPU loads,
you might identify some process that's hogging the machine.

Did you change anything about your Ram lately?
Sometimes a bad/failing/troublesome Ram stick might create this kind of
symptoms, I think.


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On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:09 PM, JohnV wrote:


What would be my next diagnostic step here?


Safe Boot by holding the Shift key at startup. This will ignore the  
boot cache files and rebuild them. Reboot normally after Safe Boot (no  
need to login, just hit "Restart"), and see if this solves problems.


If this doesn't solve the problem, you can try either global solutions  
which are a "shotgun" approach. Easiest would be to reinstall the  
latest Combo Update (10.4.11 PPC Combo in your case). Alternatively  
you might consider just upgrading to Leopard 10.5.8. In either case,  
run Disk Utility>Repair Disk & Repair Permissions prior to running the  
Combo Update or a System upgrade.


You could also try a more specific solution, such as examine the log  
files using Utilities>Console, or use Activity Monitor when the System  
is bogged down to see what's eating up the resources.


In a worst case scenario you may need to do a total reinstall, but  
this is unlikely.


Also, Firewire rarely causes problems, but USB is notorious for  
issues, and your USB externals could be the cause.


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  Machine Model:PowerMac7,3
  CPU Type: PowerPC G5  (2.2)
  Number Of CPUs:   2
  CPU Speed:1.8 GHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):   512 KB
  Memory:   2 GB
  Bus Speed:900 MHz
  Boot ROM Version: 5.1.8f7

OSX 10.4.11
several USB and FW external drives hanging off it.


I don;t know how much of this is coincidental and what, if any of it,  
might point to a problem.


A few months back I replaced the second HD from a 300G to a 2T.
Put my iTUNES library there and since then it's acted sluggish  
accessing songs.


Last week I got CARBON COPY for 10.4.11, installed and ran it for the  
#1 boot drive (older 150G drive) onto the #2 2T drive as a backup
It did it's backup thing and then pointed out about 10 files that it  
said were on a bad disc area.


at the same time teh system became HUGELY non-responsive, taking  
seconds of beachball to respond to keyboard and mouse input,  
progressing to MINUTES of beachball to respond to simple typing on  
screen, clicks on opening files, seemingly total hangs ( which seemed  
to be just REALLY long delays in response) to opening programs, ATARI  
WORKS seeming to hang 1/2 way through startup. Attempts to FORCE QUIT  
apps would take minutes to respond to, and force=quits would seem to  
go in stages, minutes long,  until eventually getting each program to  
really quit. In general it seems to be getting itself VERY confused  
and  bound up, resulting in my repeatedly going to hold-the-power- 
button forced shutdowns.


What would be my next diagnostic step here?


Thanks
John VEngrouskie


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